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LTTP: Cosmic Marvel (and other comics too)
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You read 2 of the best runs marvel had in their 'recent' time.
The Fantastic Four by Hickman is fantastic
The Abmett and Lanning stuff is outstanding, do yourself a favor and pretend like that's it, there are no other Guardians stories, because everything since then is dogshit.
Bendis is one of the worst writers at Marvel( or at least he has become one) and destroyed everyones personality of the GotG. His explanation what happened to quill and Richard after the Thanos Imperative is even worse.
If you want to read something that has a longer arc again you should may consider Hickmann's Avengers/new avengers run through Infinity to Secret Wars
The Fantastic Four by Hickman is fantastic
The Abmett and Lanning stuff is outstanding, do yourself a favor and pretend like that's it, there are no other Guardians stories, because everything since then is dogshit.
Bendis is one of the worst writers at Marvel( or at least he has become one) and destroyed everyones personality of the GotG. His explanation what happened to quill and Richard after the Thanos Imperative is even worse.
If you want to read something that has a longer arc again you should may consider Hickmann's Avengers/new avengers run through Infinity to Secret Wars
I have a theory that it wasn't the right Quill that came back - in his story, Rich talks about how much he loves Gamora, that she was his one true love ... Pretty much everyone knows that Namorita was the one for him. So, that was just flat out wrong. So, I think there is still a pocket universe out there somewhere ...
CrichtonKicks
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Annhiliation never did much for me. Not sure if it was because the art was largely subpar or the fact that none of the minis really connected with me. IIRC, DnA weren't even a part of the Annhilation at all were they? It was mainly Keith Giffen's show.
Conquest, though, was far better.
That Hickman FF run, though. Wow. One of the all time greats IMO. Has the single hypest moment in probably all of comics for me (OP Do Not Read This, You Aren't There Yet)
OP be sure to check out Hickman's Avengers run afterward if you haven't already. Later parts of the run (Infinity in particular) feel like a much better continuation to Cosmic Marvel than the stuff that Bendis was doing in GotG.
Conquest, though, was far better.
That Hickman FF run, though. Wow. One of the all time greats IMO. Has the single hypest moment in probably all of comics for me (OP Do Not Read This, You Aren't There Yet)
"To Me My Galactus!"
OP be sure to check out Hickman's Avengers run afterward if you haven't already. Later parts of the run (Infinity in particular) feel like a much better continuation to Cosmic Marvel than the stuff that Bendis was doing in GotG.
Annihilators is definitely fun - it feels sort of like a "bonus level" or "after-credits scene" to the whole DnA epic. No real overarching plot or anything, just some big cosmic dudes flying around knocking shit around.
And yeah, unfortunately, there hasn't really been much follow-up in that thematic space. Hickman and Ewing have both played around with Marvel Cosmic since then, but it's on a much grander scale - multiverses and abstracts and all that.
Bendis on Guardians is okay, but really kinda trash when you put it next to the sci-fi goodness we know, and the whole batch of post-movie spin-offs are all kind of meh. I actually do like the various SamNova comics, but it's mostly just a teen hero story with some light space flavor.
I'm hoping the Duggan run on Guardians gets us back on track, but really, there's enough great content in the DnA run that it seems greedy to ask for more.
And yeah, unfortunately, there hasn't really been much follow-up in that thematic space. Hickman and Ewing have both played around with Marvel Cosmic since then, but it's on a much grander scale - multiverses and abstracts and all that.
Bendis on Guardians is okay, but really kinda trash when you put it next to the sci-fi goodness we know, and the whole batch of post-movie spin-offs are all kind of meh. I actually do like the various SamNova comics, but it's mostly just a teen hero story with some light space flavor.
I'm hoping the Duggan run on Guardians gets us back on track, but really, there's enough great content in the DnA run that it seems greedy to ask for more.
yup, that's the plan! Read Hickman's stuff from the F4 until Secret Wars. It's a looooong read, but apparently it's worth it so I'm not complaining
what the fuck, lol
Haloid1177
Banned
So much Nova talk lately. Hurts every time. And then he came back. And now he's gone again. Can't deal.
Wait until until you read the Original Sin GotG issues -- rolls back all of Nova's character development, it's not just stupid, it's a travesty.
Mr. Poolman
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Congrats OP.
This has been quite a ride. It brings me back so many memories.
This has been quite a ride. It brings me back so many memories.
Stop ... It hurts ;( it angers me so much how much that have crapped on those stories
Edit: also, again, that's part of why I'm saying it's a different Quill that came back. Too much stuff was different. Anyway, that thought is all that consoles me ...
I buy that. Explains why the circumstances are different, why Quill's whole backstory changed, so on, so forth. We've got the Thanos, Star-Lord, and Nova from Universe-9572030753 while the 616 versions are still trapped in an endless war for survival in some other parallel dimension.
wasn't on my plans... apparently now, even less so! Hell, even Sinatar made me swear an oath not to read it, lol! Can someone summarize it for me so I can LOL and pretend it doesn't exist? xD
Nova uses the (what should be depleted) cosmic cube to turn himself into a door so that Thanos and Quill can escape.
Yup.
LordOfLore
Banned
Check out the recent 7 issues Nova series instead of any Bendis books. It was sadly cancelled due to low sales and no Nova will be in Marvel's Generations mini-event now...
phazedplasma
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another dick ryder fan is born
AWizardDidIt
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Echoing this sentiment. I haven't gotten to the second run of Ultimates, but the first one was great and skyrocketed up to being my favorite team book.
Second run is even better since it isn't interrupted midway through by that colossal goatfuck known as Civil War 2.
LordOfLore
Banned
Well, this time it was Secret Empire instead
If you enjoy Marvel on a bigger scale you will definitely love Ultimates. Not too many issues to catch up, and full of cosmic mindfucks.
which one? got any reading order?
It's standalone, you can jump right in.
I know this is not precisely about the DnA run, but I kept on reading the Hickman F4/FF comics and I'm now at Fantastic Four #604 and this awesome moment happened and it made me go "holy shit" out loud and I bet a lot of you know what I'm talking about but if you don't remember here's a handy reminder:
mah fucking god.
RISE!
TO ME... MY GALACTUS!
TO ME... MY GALACTUS!
mah fucking god.
Mr. Poolman
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Yea that was some great stuff. You'll have that reaction many many times as you continue reading Jonathan Hickman's stuff, he's amazing.
CrichtonKicks
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Yep this is the spoilerd part I referenced above. GOAT comics moment for me.
Ive been reading main marvel and cosmic for months now and im currently reading secret invasion lm going to read war of Kings later.
While i love it, its not even close to geoff johns green lantern run. Highly recommend that if you didn't already.
Btw, its time for MCU Nova, its already way past due.
While i love it, its not even close to geoff johns green lantern run. Highly recommend that if you didn't already.
Btw, its time for MCU Nova, its already way past due.
So far, it's been really great. It's a different dynamic than what was going on during all that space opera stuff, and you can notice it's a different style of writing... but it's great. Its's got a lot of heart.
From what I've read so far (up until #604), Hickman has the ability to write some pretty emotional stuff while mixing it with epic moments. It's not "cheesy" (I mean, beyond what's normal for comics), it's... really well done. Like, this whole "be a better man" speech in #572 ("...all of my hopes and desires rest in you becoming what I am not. When you grow up, I expect more. Son... I expect better. I want you to be a better friend than I was. Be a better husband. Be a better father. Reed... be a better man") is fucking great and what I posted earlier in #604 came just right after Nathaniel was spitting truth about parents and children and the passage of time. It's very effective, and Hickman knows to strike at the right time.
Hell, even on a less serious/emotional scale he has the talent to write some stuff perfectly suited for the moment (Namor's "God, you're magnificent" to Sue after she
and she just fucking rolls her eyes so hard... I legit laughed out loud when that happened) so yeah...
And it's even a sort of sequel (if I'm taking the DnA run as a set, almost self-contained narrative) to the Cosmic Marvel stuff I read with
... or at least, a spin-off focused on other things, lol.
So yeah, it's been really great so far. Despite some people not caring about the F4 recently, I gotta say Hickman makes them feel like a very likeable family - kids included. Hell, I never thought I'd say that ('cause kid characters are so annoying). It's got a lot of heart and soul, and that is precious.
From what I've read so far (up until #604), Hickman has the ability to write some pretty emotional stuff while mixing it with epic moments. It's not "cheesy" (I mean, beyond what's normal for comics), it's... really well done. Like, this whole "be a better man" speech in #572 ("...all of my hopes and desires rest in you becoming what I am not. When you grow up, I expect more. Son... I expect better. I want you to be a better friend than I was. Be a better husband. Be a better father. Reed... be a better man") is fucking great and what I posted earlier in #604 came just right after Nathaniel was spitting truth about parents and children and the passage of time. It's very effective, and Hickman knows to strike at the right time.
Hell, even on a less serious/emotional scale he has the talent to write some stuff perfectly suited for the moment (Namor's "God, you're magnificent" to Sue after she
smacks him down when he refuses to honor his deal with the old atlanteans and goes all "i'm the king don't turn away from me, woman!"
And it's even a sort of sequel (if I'm taking the DnA run as a set, almost self-contained narrative) to the Cosmic Marvel stuff I read with
Black Bolt returning from the Fault, the Kree-Inhuman stuff falling apart and the Annihilation Wave coming back
So yeah, it's been really great so far. Despite some people not caring about the F4 recently, I gotta say Hickman makes them feel like a very likeable family - kids included. Hell, I never thought I'd say that ('cause kid characters are so annoying). It's got a lot of heart and soul, and that is precious.
CrichtonKicks
Member
Honestly, the whole "not caring about the F4" was pretty much Marvel's doing. When Hickman was on the book it was getting plenty of attention, especially with the death of Johnny Storm. And the F4 continue to play huge roles in Hickman's New Avengers and Secret Wars.
Seriously the whole combination of his FF run right into Avengers/SW is just this absolutely amazing, epic arc spanning 6 years or so.
I would give a recommendation to his S.H.I.E.L.D. mini series which has ties to both FF and Avengers but, last I checked, the final two issues were never published despite being written (and maybe even drawn?).
The Living Tribunal
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I'd really like to read some cosmic Marvel that focuses on the cosmic elements, the sci-fi possibilities of it all, rather than the space opera, Space Game of Thrones genre it seems to fall into pretty often. I've only dabbed a little, mostly with Hickman's long runs.
IndoAssassin
Banned
If you are still interested in Thanos you should read
You should read the Infinity event > Thanos A god up there listening > Deadpool vs Thanos > Infinity Revelation > Infinity Relativity > Infinity Entity > Infinity Finale.
The current ongoing by Lemire has been fantastic so far as well
You should read the Infinity event > Thanos A god up there listening > Deadpool vs Thanos > Infinity Revelation > Infinity Relativity > Infinity Entity > Infinity Finale.
The current ongoing by Lemire has been fantastic so far as well
Just 2 issues War of Kings
Don't forget the 4 issues of War of Kings: Ascension