cj_iwakura
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Easy to tell who else wasn't into grand scale capital ship warfare... it's what I live for.
LTTP: Rogue One
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Swass
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Enjoyed the movie, but I'm just a casual Star Wars fan.. I really liked the Chirrut Îmwe and K-2SO characters.. The
cgi was jarring at first glance.. seemed too big for the body..
I find it funny that the person calling out the OP is fully aware of when the pirated copy was released and its quality.. project much..?
Leia
I find it funny that the person calling out the OP is fully aware of when the pirated copy was released and its quality.. project much..?
Monocle
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Really good movie. I've seen it four times in theaters and it just keeps getting better. Wonderful score, great story that enhances ANH and the rest of the OT. And Vader's scenes...so good. I live for that pun.
The faces were distracting at worst for me. But I love Tarkin, so it was a joy to see him restored to the screen that way. Peter Cushing had such a wonderful voice and presence. RO's version is a great tribute his Star Wars work, even if the effects were flawed.
The faces were distracting at worst for me. But I love Tarkin, so it was a joy to see him restored to the screen that way. Peter Cushing had such a wonderful voice and presence. RO's version is a great tribute his Star Wars work, even if the effects were flawed.
I wish I enjoyed Rogue One as a lot of you seem to have as I don't really feel too strongly for many of the films anyways. The best way I could describe it is just bland. The plot seemed thin and most of it was just there to move to a bunch of different "cool star wars" locations with no decent justification. The two "main" leads are much less interesting than any of the side characters and their stories, as the lack of details works better than just dumping dialog about why rebel dude is actually good and not a total ass. The main antagonist is undermined numerous times in his own film after being set up pretty well in the opening and in the middle of the film. I can't remember a single musical note from a Star Wars film which is a first. It's just meh.
Admiral Raddus was a g. Fuck the haters.
I kind of agree. CGI overall wasn't great, it was okay at times and quite bad at others, it's really going to stick out in a few years. I also didn't care about any of the characters and some of dialog and acting is pretty poor. There's also quite a few scenes that's are straight up stupid and having the music blare up every scene change got old fast.
Not episode 1-3 bad but not a good movie. Very bland overall. I'd be very curious to hear what the original edit was like before the reshoots.
I really liked TFA (solid 8/10 in my book), but this also annoyed the hell out of me. What is even more exasperating is that the political situation of the galaxy in TFA is explained in the novel Bloodlines, and I'm like "Why wasn't this in the movie?".
On topic, I wanted to like Rogue One a lot more than I actually did. The film failed to make me care about any of the characters except for K2SO. There were plot elements that were included for seemingly no real reason (mind reading tentacle??), and they included unnecessary scenes like the cantina guys showing up and Vader's first appearance. The Tarkin CGI didn't really bother me at all, but the Leia CGI was super uncanny valley for me. It also bothered me because unlike Tarkin, it is so unnecessary for Leia to show up just to deliver a cheesy one liner.
Someone else already mentioned this, but it's also crazy how rushed Jyn's character development is. Her journey from selfish prisoner of the Empire to Rebel hero is lightning fast, it's like Han's entire character arc from the OT condensed to one film. Her relationship with Saw and to a lesser extent her father is also super under-developed.
That being said, the action scenes look amazing and it never truly bored me. I just feel that if the characters were more interesting/well-developed it could have been a truly great film. I'd give it a 7/10 (with the Vader scene at the end elevating it a full point). I enjoyed TFA much more, because even though the story beats of TFA were derivative, the characters were very likable and fun to watch.
Lil'DigiOp
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I just recently saw it too.
It was enjoyable, didn't set my world on fire but Im not a super Star Wars nerd.
Haven't seen TFA since theaters but I think this was easier to watch than TFA
It was enjoyable, didn't set my world on fire but Im not a super Star Wars nerd.
Haven't seen TFA since theaters but I think this was easier to watch than TFA
It had some cool action scenes. Thought a lot of the performances kind of sucked. Though it is a Gareth Edwards movie, so I guess it's to be expected.
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DiipuSurotu
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True but at least they tried. ROTJ came out one third of a century ago and barely any movie tried to make a similar space battle since then, let alone a better one. The prequels didn't even try. There was like 5 minutes of messy, forgettable flying at the start of ROTS and that's it. The space battle at the end of TFA was pretty much a footnote compared to the other main plot. Rogue One at least tried to make a lengthy, really huge space battle.
Bobby Roberts
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This space battle is better than the one at Endor.
It is.
It is.
Yeah that post is BS imo. Lots of nice subtleties in the OST.
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Wake up Sheeple, your boring insistence that Obama is not a lizardman from Atlantis is wearing on my patience ð¤
Loved it! It adds a lot to ANH imo, especially the Death Star conference room scene in A New Hope.
DiipuSurotu
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The Rogue One OST had more creativity in it than anything Williams put out in a while...
What ?
Uh.. hell no. There's a ton of great stuff in TFA's OST. They're both great soundtracks IMO.
Stereogatari
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Katana_Strikes
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I think it's an ok film. But pretty forgettable. I liked the last hour or so but didn't care for the rest.
Bobby Roberts
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Look at that asshole getting clicks off my video with no linkbacks/acknowledgment.
Thanks a lot, TODD.
It's really damn close for me. RotJ got the iconic scenes of escaping the fireball and the A-Wing crashing into the Super Star Destroyer's bridge, but Rogue One's got that amazing Star Destroyer collision and Darth Vader's Star Destroyer just bulldozing through the fleeing Rebel ships.
I just watched it for the first time yesterday as well lol
It was just okay to me. It's more or less the same plot as new hope and force awakens.
THat ending scene that leads DIRECTLY into new hope was so bad ass.
In fact how they tied the whole plot right into new hope was great. They found a way to fill that big plot hole of why the death star had such a obvious flaw in the design that fans have been making fun of for years. good stuff
It was just okay to me. It's more or less the same plot as new hope and force awakens.
THat ending scene that leads DIRECTLY into new hope was so bad ass.
In fact how they tied the whole plot right into new hope was great. They found a way to fill that big plot hole of why the death star had such a obvious flaw in the design that fans have been making fun of for years. good stuff
Did you know John Williams also quotes themes?
Huh..
LOL how on Earth did you come to this conclusion?
DiipuSurotu
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That's totally Krennic's chair on the right of Tarkin right?
Pretty much put me off ever seeing another Gareth Edwards movie, for all their technical prowess his films are so dreary and devoid of personality.It also looks like a tv show.
I misspoken. I don't mean it's the same but the whole movie itself wasn't anything different from what we have seen before I guess, especially from a star wars film.
During the whole movie i was struggling a bit to grab a hold of something that really peaks my interest until the last scene.
I did enjoy big battle more than other star wars movies but I did wish it was treated more like a war film. That would be awesome to see IMO.
Also I fell asleep a bit towards the end because I was tired from work.
Bobby Roberts
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Yeah, the Devastator just popping in like NOPE as ships break on its front, the Rebel Fleet popping into existence and then fighters just swarming around them...
What this sequence did better than Jedi's is provide a sense of space and strategy. It wasn't just stationary ships floating there. You got a sense of who needed to do what, and where they needed to go in order to do it. That made it more involving.
The sheer speed of the Jedi battle is still astounding, and a lot of its energy comes from the numbers of ships flying by at a high rate of speed, but everything aside from Lando going into the superstructure is sorta shapeless buzzing around. It still looks and sounds amazing, but it doesn't have that sense of connection from one moment to the next.
It's also a lot more closely tied into what's happening on the ground (which is definitely filmed better than the ground battle in Jedi), which provides a reciprocal tension to the proceedings that surpasses the attempt at it in Jedi. It doesn't feel like two disconnected fights going on in parallel. The ground feeds the air feeds the ground.
It's better than Jedi's battle.
cj_iwakura
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I was going to disagree on space battles alone, but you're spot on with the two feeding into each other.
SomewhatGroovy
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When does this release on Google Play?
DiipuSurotu
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Waddle Dee
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It's the best Star Wars film because it's mostly self contained and not brought down by loads of forced fan service (besides C3PO and R2D2).
Was it really that much different than TFA in that respect? I didn't feel overloaded by either film.
Moff
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there isn't only the battle on the ground in ROTJ, which nobody will defend because of ewoks
there is still the scene in the throne room which is referencing the battle outside several times before the duel and palpatine is giving the order to the death star to participate in the battle.
you can even see it in the background!
you have much more interesting characters in the endor battle, everybody knows ackbar and lando, everyone has already forgotten about the guys in the RO battle, hell nien nunb has more google hits than all of them together.
and let's not forget that it made 0 sense for leia to be in that battle, I mean how dumb was that
Bobby Roberts
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But it's pretty much disconnected from the battle. In fact, you can make the argument that to Vader/Sheev/Luke, it's literally window dressing.
The second half of this sentence isn't really helping the first half. "Everybody knows Ackbar" doesn't make Ackbar interesting. He's a meme, not a character.
"Everyone has already forgotten about the guys in the RO battle" doesn't ring true to me at all.
Bobby Roberts
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Moff
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More than the Endor Ground Battle or the RO ground battle? The Death Star is even participating in the battle, ordered by Palpatine.
You are right about interesting. It's still a name people know.
I can't say that about the RO space fighters, I actually wanted to back up my bold Nien Nunb Statement but I couldn't because I don't remember a single name of someone in the RO Space Battle, except the OT Cameos of course.
Seductivpancakes
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As much as I like Nien Nunb, he probably has more hits because I have no idea why but people claim he's Asian whenever people claim there's a lack of Asians in Star Wars. I would guess cause his eyes look Asian? So racism.
This is like pre TFA and RO talk of course.
MilkyJoe
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Ha ha winker
Bobby Roberts
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It's not a more-than sorta thing, though. I'm saying to those characters, what's happening outside is... something happening outside. What they do in that fight doesn't really inform anything happening outside of it. Nobody on the ground does anything hoping it'll help Luke, nothing Luke does helps anyone in the space battle. It's more or less disconnected, outside of Palpatine offhandedly blowing up a ship to piss off Luke. Palpatine/Luke/Vader is the conclusion to Empire, nestled in the center of the conclusion to Jedi. It's the best part of Jedi, yes. But that disconnect from everything else is also to the detriment of the film. The (exaggeratedly described as) forgettable characters in the space/ground battle of Rogue One are at least bouncing off each other and pushing themselves across the climactic finish line. What one does affects what the other is doing/planning, and vice/versa.
It's like I was saying upthread: This movie's characterization isn't as upfront/showy as a means to keep the plot pushing forward at all costs. That's how "men on a mission" films tend to work. The character moments (hopefully) come through AS they're completing the actions they need to complete.
Take "The Dirty Dozen" for example. Classic movie. Everyone loves it. One of THE examples of a "Men on a Mission" movie. You can see the faces of the actors right now if you're even remotely familiar with it.
How many character names can you rattle off? How many members of the Dirty Dozen could you actually name right now? Hell, how many actors outside of Jim Brown, Donald Sutherland, Telly Savalas, and Charles Bronson? If those?
I mean, citing Nien Nunb's google stats isn't really saying much. He's been around for 30 years longer than anyone in Rogue One. And all he did is giggle and bug his eyes out while Lando broke shit. He's basically a meme, too.
Outside of Ackbar, Lando, Wedge and Nunb, who are the fighters in Jedi, right? There's no names for these guys. And you probably couldn't say what their particular mission was IN Jedi, either. They just fly around and either blow up or blow something up.
Raddus, Red, Gold, & Blue Leaders at least shouted out instructions/objectives, and their nameless fighters were shown trying to complete them during their battles. You could watch them start from Point A and attempt to get to and/or destroy point B.
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