Oh, don't you worry, I won't.
Also, there are lots of Comics and books
but Id understand wanting to keep it Tv/movies only.
Enjoy Clone Wars and Rebels, and prepare for the best female character in the franchise
Oh, don't you worry, I won't.
I personally chalk a lot of it up to George divorcing his wife, who kept him grounded and was heavily involved with editing the shit out of everything,
Oh man what I would give for Force Awakens to blow the original trilogy out of the water. I don't see anything sacrilegious about that, I've already committed the Star Wars fanboy cardinal sin of not putting Empire at the top.The good thing about watching them now is that I have zero problem with having a new number one. Which is what I'm hoping for. Obviously lol.
The fan inclination to deify Marcia Lucas is weird, to me. She's not the reason Star Wars is good. At least, not the sole, or even one of the main reasons. George divorcing his wife doesn't explain why the Prequels sucked, and it's a hell of a reach to even try going there.
Making Marcia Lucas the magic wand that you boop Star Wars on the nose with does a disservice to all the people who came together to make those movies, just as attributing everything to George is obnoxious and inaccurate, too.
Hey man, I'm just giving my honest opinion as a first time watcher!
What collaboration George had on the prequels really wasn't so much collaboration as it was people who either couldn't or wouldn't challenge him.
She becomes a retaliatory weapon in that narrative. It's not really complimentary.
Making Marcia Lucas the magic wand that you boop Star Wars on the nose with does a disservice to all the people who came together to make those movies, just as attributing everything to George is obnoxious and inaccurate, too.
This is my ranking.
Edit: Heeeey, we talking Auralnauts? Creepio is amazing.
"Every step is a new nightmare!"
Phantom Menace is a film I will never be able to shed my hatred for despite knowing that it likely isn't as bad as I think. Context is everything and what made me so bitter was that I saw it opening day as a young teen and I still remember the feeling of despair as I walked out of the theater. It was crushing, fuck my life kind of disappointing. It felt like a nightmare to a kid who at the time was a total Star Wars nerd in the midst of the most hyped movie in my life up to that point.
Seeing it today for the first time without a connection to the series I'd imagine I'd feel much the same way the OP does. But because of where I was in my life it pretty much turned me into just a casual fan of the series from there on out. To the point where I'll likely wait a week or 2 for the new one.
I think I am lucky in that I was like 9 when the prequels were coming out, and thought they were freaking awesome. I had already seen the original trilogy before the prequels, but I was at that ripe young age when I didn't rank stuff and was able to enjoy things despite the knowledge better things exist.
I think I am lucky in that I was like 9 when the prequels were coming out, and thought they were freaking awesome. I had already seen the original trilogy before the prequels, but I was at that ripe young age when I didn't rank stuff and was able to enjoy things despite the knowledge better things exist.
Flynning is a staple of movie sword-fighting. It's used in the OT too, and is noticeable in a few scenes like Luke bashing on Vader's saber when he's lying against the rail in the final fight of Return of the Jedi.Shit, guess I was way off on my "at least it looks like they're trying to hit each other" remark. Maybe it's just the way it was framed or edited because I don't notice it as bad as the next two prequels. Then again, one might be able to slow down all of the fights in the series and pick them apart.
Ray Wonder, do yourself a favor and watch the redlettermedia prequel reviews. You're over an hour, but IMO well worth your time:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ho16PDZGzDM
Warning: There's some twisted humor in there during the reviews, don't know if that's your thing, but the content focusing squarely on breaking down the prequels is golden.
I already thought Ep 2 was super schmalzy and annoying when I was 12. Ep 1 I watched like as a 10 year old, yet unlike the OT, my nostalgia for that movie is incredibly limited, since there's just not much to love. Unless you count Star Wars Racing, whose demo we played in school over and over. I thought Ep 3 was good when it came out. The action was decent and especially flashy when it came out, but if it wasn't Star Wars, it would have easily been forgotten even as an action movie. Story and writing is obviously still shit.
OT is still great. RotJ already had some blatant problems before it was hit hardest by the special editions, but even in that, the throne room scene alone is better than anything in the new films.
Pointing out that someone made a major contribution doesn't automatically negate the hard work of others.
So im assuming you'll be walking into 7 the same way cause I know I will bePhantom Menace is a film I will never be able to shed my hatred for despite knowing that it likely isn't as bad as I think. Context is everything and what made me so bitter was that I saw it opening day as a young teen and I still remember the feeling of despair as I walked out of the theater. It was crushing, fuck my life kind of disappointing. It felt like a nightmare to a kid who at the time was a total Star Wars nerd in the midst of the most hyped movie in my life up to that point.
Seeing it today for the first time without a connection to the series I'd imagine I'd feel much the same way the OP does. But because of where I was in my life it pretty much turned me into just a casual fan of the series from there on out. To the point where I'll likely wait a week or 2 for the new one.
What I'm saying is that your post I responded to, and the link you posted to support it, inherently push that narrative. She is singled out as a means to explain why the Prequels don't work, and why Lucas' contributions should be devalued to some extent.
It's a bad answer to a question that already has a lot of well-cited, well-analyzed answers. The answer to "Why are the prequels not good" isn't "Marcia Lucas wasn't there."
and those are all three areas where her contributions are pretty well documented.
But it's an answer,
The biggest issue with revenge of the sith, and one that ruined a lot of the movie for me, was that he went from a decently good guy, to ok I'll join the bad guys, to next time you see him, is on a video feed, killing younglings.. WHAT. If they had left that part out, it could have been a little little liitle bit believable, but that right there just ruins it for me. Makes no sense for him to escalate directly to that.
Didn't know there were good, thorough answers to this question available online. For some reason I believed critical thought had been mostly dedicated to answering "In what ways where the prequels not good?". Could you link some noteworthy pieces?It's a bad answer to a question that already has a lot of well-cited, well-analyzed answers. The answer to "Why are the prequels not good" isn't "Marcia Lucas wasn't there."
Hey Ray! Are you more or less excited for The Force Awakens at this point?
Waaaay more excited, multitudes more. Like, I'm probably gonna buy an RC BB8 or R2 lol.
Writing was really bad all the way through. The movies looked like they were made out of first rushed drafts, and that's probably true since they had to start special effects production very early on.A stiff thing with no emotional resonence was the only possible result, and the crappy dialogue and convoluted, dry plots came on top as a bonus.
Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith
I can understand not liking Ep I & II, but III? This has got to be one of my favorites.
I guess it's time to rank them from most favorite to least. I'm probably gonna break some hearts here.
- Episode VI: Return of the Jedi
- Episode III: Revenge of the Sith
- Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back
- Episode IV: A New Hope
- Episode I: The Phantom Menace
- Episode II: Attack of The Clones
I really do believe there are 4 great Star Wars movies.
It's like poetryIn a way Revenge of the Sith is a mirror image to Return of the Jedi.
Is there a particular element you're most curious about/looking forward to going forward now? Like now that you've taken it in and gotten context and everything, is there stuff you're like "okay, I want more of that! I wanna see where that goes..."?
Also, now that about 99% of the Expanded Universe has been retconned out of existence, any interest in exploring any of that stuff?
Yeah that Sith rule always seemed odd, especially considering how many 'Sith' there are in the fiction at any given time. But I suppose it could mean multiple things... That you can't have one without the other. Also who is to say these new guys are actual 'Sith'? I mean you can be a dark jedi doing tons of evil shit, but that doesn't inherently make you 'Sith'. It's kind of its own specific special thing. There's a title, there are traditions, etc. that go beyond just being an evil Jedi.Honestly I'm not really looking into getting into the non canon. There's just so much out there it's a bit overwhelming. Maybe in the far future, but as for right now I'm going to avoid it.
I'm just looking forward to a new story, and seeing the OT crew get back together. I'm excited to see if the Jedi will ever replenish their numbers, and bring balance back to the damn universe! And to see the new sith. Isn't there always supposed to be two? The master and the apprentice?
The big fight was great, until the end: it was so abrupt and badly constructed, with a blurred jump.
Overall, everyone seems to prefer to style of the prequel fights, aesthrtically they were more advanced but in the OT, the sabers were handled like they actually had a weight behind them, and you were 'hacking' at your opponent instead of the feathery handling of the Jedi/Sith in the PT.
I much prefer the PT style. It just flows so sick. Like 1950s NFL to 2015 NFL. It's finesse now, when it was brute force back then.
Overall, everyone seems to prefer to style of the prequel fights, aesthetically they were more advanced but in the OT, the sabers were handled like they actually had a weight behind them, and you were 'hacking' at your opponent instead of the feathery handling of the Jedi/Sith in the PT.
I much prefer the PT style. It just flows so sick. Like 1950s NFL to 2015 NFL. It's finesse now, when it was brute force back then.
It looks like they are dancing, not fighting.
I much prefer the PT style. It just flows so sick. Like 1950s NFL to 2015 NFL. It's finesse now, when it was brute force back then.
But see, for me there-in lies the problem. Dooku-Yoda looks less like a fight, and more like a pre-arranged dance( which it is but it's not supposed to look this way in the movie). Which was a problem for most of the prequel saber duels. The fact that most of the fights don't have the same personal stakes behind them exasperates the problem.
This, to me, is still my favorite saber duel moment, the culmination of everything that had been perfectly building to that point. It had the organic feel of a real fight, Luke's anger in the moment overwhelming Vader who we see vulnerable for the first time, the haunting music in the background. If this scene had been done by Lucas ten years ago, it would have occurred with Luke and Vader surfing over a flowing lava lake or some other over the top environment.
They're in tune with the force, they can sense the future and react to it before it happens. They should be able to fight as if it's a choreographed dance.
It lacks punch and emotional impact. Look at Luke's first fight with Vader, where he's clearly struggling and Vader is toying with him. That adds an extra layer of tension because he know Luke is over his head. Where's the drama in 2 force masters so attuned that their fight comes off like a dance, and not like two people actually trying to kill each other.
This, to me, is still my favorite saber duel moment, the culmination of everything that had been perfectly building to that point. It had the organic feel of a real fight, Luke's anger in the moment overwhelming Vader who we see vulnerable for the first time, the haunting music in the background. If this scene had been done by Lucas ten years ago, it would have occurred with Luke and Vader surfing over a flowing lava lake or some other over the top environment.