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[criesofthepast]

Macs going back a few years, most Core 2 Duo are supported and generally stuff from late 2008 onwards.
Can find it in the Mountain Lion Specs.

Thanks. But I'm about to choke a bitch...

AirPlay mirroring to apple tv only works on 2011 and beyond macs? Are you kidding me? That's my most wanted feature!!! Man wtf. Gotta be kidding me that my 2010 can't handle that shit. I hate you, apple. Barely 2 years old and already gimped. Unreal.

 

[giga]

Thanks. But I'm about to choke a bitch...

AirPlay mirroring to apple tv only works on 2011 and beyond macs? Are you kidding me? That's my most wanted feature!!! Man wtf. Gotta be kidding me that my 2010 can't handle that shit. I hate you, apple. Barely 2 years old and already gimped. Unreal.

Before you choke an innocent bitch, you should understand how airplay mirroring works. It's encoding a 1080p video stream in real time, in addition to running your computer. Video encoding is extremely processor intensive. (Try transcoding an HD video in Handbrake and check activity monitor)

Apple is limiting it to Sandy Bridge and higher devices because they have on chip H.264 encoder. It's called Intel Quick Sync. Hardware encoding reduces CPU usage considerably. If they opened it up to older devices, your notebook would be constantly taxing the cpu, eating the battery, and runnings its fans.

http://www.apple.com/osx/whats-new/features.html#airplay

 

[criesofthepast]

I understand that but can you tell me why this third party alternative works on older macs without issue then? Is it not encoding like the official apple mirroring? Seems to be quite well reviewed and recommended by some big name sites. I've never tried it but it looks like my only option now. There have been a few things apple has limited to certain hardware that was later enabled by jail breakers and worked completely fine. Maybe not 100% super smooth but it still worked decently. ie. multi-tasking on IPhone 3G, battery % indicator, home screen wallpaper (this one made my phone super slow) etc.

http://airparrot.com/

 

[giga]

I understand that but can you tell me why this third party alternative works on older macs without issue then? Is it not encoding like the official apple mirroring? Seems to be quite well reviewed and recommended by some big name sites. I've never tried it but it looks like my only option now. There have been a few things apple has limited to certain hardware that was later enabled by jail breakers and worked completely fine. Maybe not 100% super smooth but it still worked decently. ie. multi-tasking on IPhone 3G, battery % indicator, home screen wallpaper (this one made my phone super slow) etc.

http://airparrot.com/

I don't know, I haven't tried it. I'm just explaining that encoding a 1080p video in real time is very processor intensive without quick sync. From their faq:

Q When I use AirParrot I notice high CPU Usage/Excess Heat/Running Fans.
A Live video encoding is a hardware intensive task. On older machines this may push the hardware enough to kick on the fans. Try using a lower resolution, or change to the 1280x720 or 1920x1080 resolution to drastically reduce the CPU load on AirParrot.

 

[criesofthepast]

Thanks giga. I'll probably give air parrot a try sometime soon. I was transcoding a bunch of videos last week in handbrake so I know how intensive it can be. Still disappointing.

 

[Tobor]

Thanks giga. I'll probably give air parrot a try sometime soon. I was transcoding a bunch of videos last week in handbrake so I know how intensive it can be. Still disappointing.

I don't understand. If you're transcoding the videos in handbrake, then you can already stream them to Apple TV.

 

[LCfiner]

Thanks giga. I'll probably give air parrot a try sometime soon. I was transcoding a bunch of videos last week in handbrake so I know how intensive it can be. Still disappointing.

try using Air Video. will convert to h.264 on the mac, beam it to the iPad/ iPhone. then you just tap airplay on the iOS device and it’s on the Apple TV right away. might be easier to setup (And control since you have the phone as remote) than going from Mac straight to the TV

limited to 720p, though.

edit. seeing your post below. nvm

 

[criesofthepast]

I don't understand. If you're transcoding the videos in handbrake, then you can already stream them to Apple TV.

No I was just saying I know how intensive transcoding video is (what giga explained airplay mirroring is doing) because I happened to be doing a lot of that last week.

Yes I know, I stream my iTunes library to my apple tv all the time. This isn't really about movies or music because I can do that already through iTunes home sharing. I'm talking about mirroring other things like safari and other apps.

 

[Tobor]

No I was just saying I know how intensive transcoding video is (what giga explained airplay mirroring is doing) because I happened to be doing a lot of that last week.

Yes I know, I stream my iTunes library to my apple tv all the time. This isn't really about movies or music because I can do that already through iTunes home sharing. I'm talking about mirroring other things like safari and other apps.

Ahh, gotcha.

 

[criesofthepast]

I just tried the air parrot trial for those that care and it works fairly well. Quality isn't the absolute greatest, especially text looks blurry and hard to read, but everything else does what you'd expect. For video and music it really is no use because you can just use home sharing in iTunes. Any type of gaming would certainly blow. Maybe Facebook games would work decent but thats about it. Except, I did try Minecraft and it was responsive with no noticeable lag. I don't really have any other uses for mirroring so my bitching was really because I felt I was missing out on something great. Now that I've tried it I don't really know what else I'd use it for. lol

I'll keep the trial as it lasts for 20 minutes at a time. If I need more than that I may buy it down the road. Worth a shot for those that are on older hardware and won't be able to use the official mirroring in Mountain Lion.

 

[Good Job Bob]

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[Blastoise]

This iCloud syncing may cause me to use safari full time.

 

[bananas]

This iCloud syncing may cause me to use safari full time.

Chrome extensions got their hook in me.

 

[Good Job Bob]

Chrome extensions got their hook in me.

Yeah.

I wonder if someone could hack up an extension from Chrome that syncs it with iCloud Tabs, probably not.

 

[Tobor]

Yeah.

I wonder if someone could hack up an extension from Chrome that syncs it with iCloud Tabs, probably not.

You go ahead and type your apple id and password into a hacked up Chrome extension. Sounds like fun.

 

[Gary Whitta]

You go ahead and type your apple id and password into a hacked up Chrome extension. Sounds like fun.

ROFL

 

[celebi23]

Currently installing it in Parallels Desktop. Got about 5 minutes left

 

[Gary Whitta]

This iCloud syncing may cause me to use safari full time.

Yeah I've been using Chrome for a while but the Safari updates will definitely bring me back to it.

 

[scorcho]

Before you choke an innocent bitch, you should understand how airplay mirroring works. It's encoding a 1080p video stream in real time, in addition to running your computer. Video encoding is extremely processor intensive. (Try transcoding an HD video in Handbrake and check activity monitor)

Apple is limiting it to Sandy Bridge and higher devices because they have on chip H.264 encoder. It's called Intel Quick Sync. Hardware encoding reduces CPU usage considerably. If they opened it up to older devices, your notebook would be constantly taxing the cpu, eating the battery, and runnings its fans.

http://www.apple.com/osx/whats-new/features.html#airplay

have they enabled Quicksync encoding in the latest ML beta? last word on Anandtech was that the encoding was still hitting the cores and it did not appear to be using QuickSync yet. AFAIK only Facetime and Photobooth uses Quicksync so far

 

[BGBW]

Pretty hot.

Well a new dock is okay news since it's so easy to change the look of the 3D dock that I haven't seen the default one in ages. What is interesting is the curved corners. Does that mean they're not using transparency for reflection since that was the flaw with the current dock?

 

[noah111]

Yeah I've been using Chrome for a while but the Safari updates will definitely bring me back to it.

I made the switch to Safari around the same time I started getting ahold of what Lion offers, haven't looked back. While I miss some of the things Chrome offered, like stability, what Safari does with the text integration and all that makes it worth the switch. I'm ecstatic ML mainly for the new Safari. If only the tabs were up top like in that old beta... or at least have the tabs work iPad style with dynamic widths.

Oh and Instapaper is dead for me now that reading list works offline.

 

[Treefingers]

Interesting little addition to the dock:

Also shows this info in Launchpad under the item that's downloading.

Man this release feels so much smoother than Lion.

 

[KtSlime]

Interesting addition to the dock:

Also shows this info in Launchpad under the item that's downloading.

I think Apple has a missed opportunity, they could convince me to keep LaunchPad in the Dock if I could drag apps from a disk image (or other source) to it and have it install/copy to my Applications folder.

 

[Treefingers]

I think Apple has a missed opportunity, they could convince me to keep LaunchPad in the Dock if I could drag apps from a disk image (or other source) to it and have it install/copy to my Applications folder.

Yeah. Really I don't see why we should still need to drag anything into the Applications folder, just let us drag it into Launchpad which copies the app to the Applications folder, then let us delete from Launchpad which will just send the app to the Trash.

 

[Tobor]

Yeah. Really I don't see why we should still need to drag anything into the Applications folder, just let us drag it into Launchpad which copies the app to the Applications folder, then let us delete from Launchpad which will just send the app to the Trash.

At that point, why is there an Application folder anymore? Maybe they should just replace it with Launchpad and be done with it.

 

[Sanjuro]

At that point, why is there an Application folder anymore? Maybe they should just replace it with Launchpad and be done with it.

Never!

Launchpad is still too glitchy on my machine. :'(

 

[cvxfreak]

Shockingly, the most useful feature for me will be the Chinese language support!

 

[KtSlime]

At that point, why is there an Application folder anymore? Maybe they should just replace it with Launchpad and be done with it.

Well there will always have to be an Applications folder of some sort, it's been around since the NeXT days. However, if they don't eventually start shrinking Finder's grip on the OS then they are doing something wrong. IMO.

I'd like to see the Desktop (icons on it, and the ~/Desktop directory, not the computing platform) die, and Finder become a regular app that can be quit and isn't started on boot like all the rest eventually.

cvxfreak: I'm looking forward to the Chinese features as well.

 

[Tobor]

Well there will always have to be an Applications folder of some sort, it's been around since the NeXT days. However, if they don't eventually start shrinking Finder's grip on the OS then they are doing something wrong. IMO.

I'd like to see the Desktop (icons on it, and the ~/Desktop directory, not the computing platform) die, and Finder become a regular app that can be quit and isn't started on boot like all the rest eventually.

cvxfreak: I'm looking forward to the Chinese features as well.

That's Microsoft thinking!

At the very least, maybe it's time to hide the Application folder from normal users.

 

[Mr. Wonderful]

I'd like to see the Desktop (icons on it, and the ~/Desktop directory, not the computing platform) die, and Finder become a regular app that can be quit and isn't started on boot like all the rest eventually.

Yeah, it's good working space for when you don't want to file things, but it's really just a place for a pretty picture right now.

 

[BGBW]

But the desktop is my temporary dumping ground for images.

 

[Jo Shishido's Cheeks]

So are you guys proposing that when you boot a Mac, you would simply be met with the Launchpad screen only?
I'm struggling to think of how the system would not be an absolute horror-show without the Finder...

 

[lunarworks]

So are you guys proposing that when you boot a Mac, you would simply be met with the Launchpad screen only?
I'm struggling to think of how the system would not be an absolute horror-show without the Finder...

I wonder if these people have even owned a Mac before, or if they were brought here through iOS.

 

[Tobor]

So are you guys proposing that when you boot a Mac, you would simply be met with the Launchpad screen only?
I'm struggling to think of how the system would not be an absolute horror-show without the Finder...

No, you'd boot to the desktop, like now. What I'm suggesting is that it's time they at least hide the application folder in Finder, and that you open and manage apps through Launchpad.

It's redundant and confusing for normal users as is.

 

[LCfiner]

I really hope they don't go that route. The nice thing about launchpad is that I can completely ignore it.

 

[mrkgoo]

No, you'd boot to the desktop, like now. What I'm suggesting is that it's time they at least hide the application folder in Finder, and that you open and manage apps through Launchpad.

It's redundant and confusing for normal users as is.

Basically make Launchpad the front end for the Application folder.

It makes perfect sense. It's dispensing with the whole notion of files and folders, which is exactly inline with Apple's iOS philosophy. No folders..."Libraries". And Launchpad is the "library" of apps.

And it gives a use for those users like us who currently have no real use for launchpad.

I really hope they don't go that route. The nice thing about launchpad is that I can completely ignore it.

But you could STILL completely ignore it by putting something into an Application folder. I think all they're saying is that ...you know how you can drag an app to App folder, and it appears in Launchpad? Why not drag an app into Launchpad and have it appear in the App folder?

 

[Tobor]

I really hope they don't go that route. The nice thing about launchpad is that I can completely ignore it.

That's why you hide it instead of remove it. Power users could go back to the old way, new users would never know the difference.

 

[Enco]

Yeah I've been using Chrome for a while but the Safari updates will definitely bring me back to it.

As nice as the update looks I can't see my self switching from Chrome.

The ability to fully sync all my awesome extensions, bookmarks, settings and more from browser to browser is great. Plus I love the Chrome aesthetic. I hope that the Chrome browser is released soon for the iPhone.

 

[KtSlime]

So are you guys proposing that when you boot a Mac, you would simply be met with the Launchpad screen only?
I'm struggling to think of how the system would not be an absolute horror-show without the Finder...

When you boot the Mac you would simply be met by whatever was running when you shut it down last (last app you were in, cursor position, window positions, everything). The finder would still be around, and people could still manage files with it, even navigate to the Applications directory if they really wanted to. But people (pros) could use another file manager, and finder wouldn't be forced to be running all the time. Plus people couldnt put files on the desktop. The desktop should be a place for open files (windows), not closed files (icons) - like it was in Nextstep.

Lunarworks: no, I come from the NeXT half of the Apple+NeXT marriage, and find still to this date some of decisions Apple 2.0 made to accommodate System users distasteful.

 

[thefil]

As long as I can still use Quicksilver/Alfred/etc, who cares what they do.

Man but if it wasn't for Apptivate I could never have lived with Lion.

 

[noah111]

So if I want to make a new partition to run Mountain Lion, what is the minimum size I can set the partition to for it to run fine?

 

[Treefingers]

iCloud tabs are such a great addition. Very useful.

So if I want to make a new partition to run Mountain Lion, what is the minimum size I can set the partition to for it to run fine?

I would give it at least ~10 gigs, maybe a little more. Not sure the exact space it takes up but I'm using about 13 gigs with the OS and a few apps installed.

 

[layzie1989]

dictation is amazing, notification center is great as well as all the sharing options throughout the OS. i'm liking mountain lion a lot

 

[KtSlime]

I can't say that I like the new notification menubar icon, the bullseye that would turn blue, and turn into a crescent moon was much better, or how it stretches the desktop wallpaper. Other than that DP4 so far seems to be pretty good, very fluid. The cursor bug appears to have remained as well. =/

 

[Treefingers]

So the new version of iPhoto now uses Helvetica Neue (I think, maybe it's Helvetica) in the sidebar, wondering if this could mean Helvetica Neue becoming the system font by the time ML releases.

 

[bananas]

Guys. Chrome in Mountain Lion kept fucking up and causing my MacBook to crash, so after the 50th time, I reluctantly switched to Safari. and HOLY SHIT. Almost all the extensions I used in Chrome had a Safari version. Not only that but it hasn't crashed once.

And I get iCloud tabs, so neato.

 

[Treefingers]

Guys. Chrome in Mountain Lion kept fucking up and causing my MacBook to crash, so after the 50th time, I reluctantly switched to Safari. and HOLY SHIT. Almost all the extensions I used in Chrome had a Safari version. Not only that but it hasn't crashed once.

And I get iCloud tabs, so neato.

Yup it's great, much faster in ML now too and I haven't experienced the tabs reloading thing yet, seems like they fixed it.

 

[Enco]

Guys. Chrome in Mountain Lion kept fucking up and causing my MacBook to crash, so after the 50th time, I reluctantly switched to Safari. and HOLY SHIT. Almost all the extensions I used in Chrome had a Safari version. Not only that but it hasn't crashed once.

And I get iCloud tabs, so neato.

Does it sync your settings/extensions to your apple account?

 

[lunarworks]

So the new version of iPhoto now uses Helvetica Neue (I think, maybe it's Helvetica) in the sidebar, wondering if this could mean Helvetica Neue becoming the system font by the time ML releases.

I thought something was different.

 

[Treefingers]

Does it sync your settings/extensions to your apple account?

No unfortunately, just bookmarks.