Evolve or get left behind. It is one of the best policies a company can have. I have so many people coming into the store whining about how their 300 year old software will not work on Lion. I want to just laugh at them, but i cant. But it happens all the time. Freakin upgrade your shit people.
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Evolve or get left behind. It is one of the best policies a company can have. I have so many people coming into the store whining about how their 300 year old software will not work on Lion. I want to just laugh at them, but i cant. But it happens all the time. Freakin upgrade your shit people.
afternoon delight
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And here I was, just about to upgrade from Snow Leopard. Excited for notes and scheduler features, but I'm really excited for Lion's stuff that I've missed out on. Launchpad is niiiice.
njean777
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Eh the policy can go both ways, If I spend 1200+ on a laptop and it still works five years after buying it then I have every right to be angry that my hardware is not supported in the upgrade path.
Yup. I had someone with AppleWorks installed who decided to upgrade to Lion. She brought in the computer wanting us to re-install Snow Leopard. Pain in the ass.
If it still works with the OS you have, and it's five years old, why do you feel like you are entitled to have the latest software update?
five years is ancient history in tech. People who care about being up to date with the latest and greatest Apple software will typically not keep hardware that long. People who don't care will typically be fine with the one year old OS and five year old hardware.
I think you should adjust your expectations a bit. How many Macs that shipped with OS X ever got software support past 5 years? There's usually a new OS X release every 2 years. Jobs' Cupertino was always about looking forward.
Why would you need to upgrade, your hardware works fine. the problem is people think they NEED some of these upgrades - they do not.
Exactly. Your computer works fine, keep using it. New OS's are for well newer computers plain and simple.
brotkasten
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I'm not an OS X user, so how this policy make OS X better than Windows or Linux? Because that's what it's all about, right?
You rather have your software stale and unprogressive due to the limitations of your hardware?
CrudeDiatribe
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I don't know if I need it yet. Will try 10.8 on my Air and partner's MBP and see if I can live without it on my Mac Pro which I will have to replace* if I want 10.8.
*with a newer used Mac Pro or a hot-rodded Mini with a Thunderbolt enclosure?
No, I don't think anyone is arguing that. There are clear advantages to it though. Developers (both Apple and third parties) can spend less resources on supporting the old and instead put those to use developing on newer hardware which can do more with newer software.
Imagine if PPC was still supported today. Rather than dropping 64-bit Carbon completely like they did in Leopard, imagine if they didn't force developers onto Cocoa for 64-bit support. Seems absolutely crazy to me, considering how far ahead Cocoa is now.
Joel Was Right
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It is puzzling; iCloud is seemingly an integral part of their OS strategy going forward rather than just an update.
infiniteloop
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iOS-like download bar when copying files in the Finder:
It's better becaue there is nothing holding them back. MS worries to make sure their OS can run on literally every single thing. Apple moves forward and doesn't let the hardware restrict themselves, it helps that they build their own hardware. It lets their OS updates have literally no limits, its why they can update and advance at a far faster rate than MS ever will.
infiniteloop
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Do you need to update the ATV to enable airplay? I'm not seeing mine popup
Looks like it doesn't support every Mac:
http://9to5mac.com/2012/02/17/os-x-...rroring-apparently-not-supported-on-all-macs/
aparisi2274
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Two types, one that just shows the notification, and another that puts an 'open' option along with a 'close' one.
And swipe two fingers to the left (no matter what you're doing/what application open) to pull this out;
So I guess "Growl" will be obsolete, now that OSX ML has its own version built in...
Dreams-Visions
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I don't see why. You'd expect primary OS upgrades to be free instead of $30....but if they were bi-annually at $60 you wouldn't complain, right?
IMO, free phone and tablet upgrades are simply "keeping up with the Jones'". Nobody in the industry charges for those updates. Apple tried to with iPods, but stopped, iirc. They really, really can't charge for them when you consider their already existing profit margins.
yes and no. not every Mac can run Mountain Lion. not every Mac that can handle it will be updated to Mountain Lion. there will be a market for the foreseeable future, albeit smaller than they expected.
WickedCobra03
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AHHHH, this is driving me nuts-o! I am not sure how many Gaffers here were actually mac fans/users when OSX first launched in 2000, but wasn't OSX 10.1 called Puma? Well, a mountain lion is actually a puma... so yeah... apple, great naming conventions... I am sure there has to be a biology nut somewhere at apple, or I am sure a quick google would have given you this information.
Anyway, I have kind of fallen away from apple in the past years since around 2003-ish or so. I dunno, they became the trendy thing and that really just pushed me away. Along with them forcing upgrades harder now than ever before with Power-PC being killed off, and now my Core Duo 2 can't even "handle" 10.8... :| Plus, the iOS'ing of Mac OSX has kind of rubbed me the wrong way since Lion.
Anyway, I have kind of fallen away from apple in the past years since around 2003-ish or so. I dunno, they became the trendy thing and that really just pushed me away. Along with them forcing upgrades harder now than ever before with Power-PC being killed off, and now my Core Duo 2 can't even "handle" 10.8... :| Plus, the iOS'ing of Mac OSX has kind of rubbed me the wrong way since Lion.
Honestly iOS is the best thing going on at Apple now imo. The more OSX is like iOS the better. It isn't iOSy enough in my view. They need to add iBooks asap.
Good Job Bob
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Apple sold more iOS devices in 2011 than all the Macs they've ever sold (28 years).
http://www.asymco.com/2012/02/16/ios-devices-in-2011-vs-macs-sold-it-in-28-years/
http://www.asymco.com/2012/02/16/ios-devices-in-2011-vs-macs-sold-it-in-28-years/
Macs are going to run on iOS one day. They are slowly transitioning into it. Getting it more iOS like is a big reason why they are likely going to yearly updates. They are easing into it though to make it more seamless.
Particle Physicist
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I just checked wiki.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cougar
so.. i guess they recycled the animal several times. meh.
badcrumble
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I really don't think Macs are going to run iOS. Apple's drawing a pretty clear contrast between the iOS/OS X strategy and what Microsoft is doing with Windows 8. Just because OS X is taking heavy UI inspiration from iOS doesn't mean that it's suddenly going to turn into iOS overnight.
Next up on the chopping block, I hope, is Dashboard. I'd love something *like* that when it comes to function, of course, but not nearly so shitty and slow.
Technosteve
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there is a hackintosh work around to get 32 bit efi to work with 64 bit efi stuff.
If any of you remember the original iPhone and the showing of iOS (which wasn't called iOS at the time), and the marketing behind it, it was basically Apple saying they're bringing the best of OS X into mobile.
It's funny to see how the cycle has progressed where now the opposite is being done. I think it'll continue to go back and forth for a while, but an eventual merging is inevitable.
One of these steps is the elimination of as many useless windows as possible, when copying a file for example. I wonder if .jpg / .avi or all those .abc format lines will still be there by default.
I hide them all as it is, so I wouldn't be surprised if that's how it works in the future. Or perhaps a hover-to-reveal type of thing.
It's funny to see how the cycle has progressed where now the opposite is being done. I think it'll continue to go back and forth for a while, but an eventual merging is inevitable.
One of these steps is the elimination of as many useless windows as possible, when copying a file for example. I wonder if .jpg / .avi or all those .abc format lines will still be there by default.
I hide them all as it is, so I wouldn't be surprised if that's how it works in the future. Or perhaps a hover-to-reveal type of thing.
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You're so ridiculous with this stuff. Like it's some grand conspiracy.
They aren't going to force a touch screen interface on their traditional computer users who need visible file structures, a desktop interface, and use a mouse and keyboard.
Good Job Bob
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I doubt it, unless iOS starts borrowing alot from OS X; which I'm definitely not against.
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Unless the iPad and MacBook line merge to become some Transformer-like docking tablet thing, I just don't see it happening. One OS is designed for touch screens, and the other is designed for mice, keyboards, and trackpads. iOS would suck if you had to click everything with a mouse cursor.
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Apple has significantly higher upgrade rates in terms of OS than other companies, in part because of how aggressively they cut off end-of-lifed machines with new OSes. I assume the transition to thinking of OS as firmware will only increase the adoption rate.
Dreams-Visions
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agree, but if I read correctly, everyone with a 2007/2008 Mac (depending) will not be able to upgrade. Lion is the end of the road for them. That should be a sizable audience for a couple more years.
Pristine_Condition
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2006 MacBook owners already couldn't install Lion. I know, I still use one as my "beater" laptop.
No big deal though, since Apple still keeps Snow Leopard updated. They are almost six year-old machines, and that's a long time for a laptop.
Mine still runs pretty great, but sadly physical things on the machine are breaking down now, just from use/abuse. I've got some pretty good cracks in the plastic, and my speaker wore out a few months ago. Will replace it for an Air, but I will wait until I have no choice, I guess, especially since Intel is making us wait for the goods.
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Don't get all huffy. Its not like computers cease to function. Snow Leopard on this machine is still a joy to use. Ha, speaking of which right around now is the 5 year anniversary of my computer. February something.
edgefusion
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Did anybody else notice that indicator lights are on in all the screenshots? I wonder if that's the new default from Lions having them all off?
Are you Kidding? A 5 year old machine should be supported?
Why would you even use Launchpad when Spotlight exists? Are you 6 or 60?
That was not the default in the release version of Lion.
Yeah, come on people. They're acting as if the computer will just brick when this release. IT'S STILL USABLE.
People being revolted for not being able to use the newest release of software, is the bullshit. It isn't a natural born right, people.
edgefusion
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Are you positive? I thought it was.
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