I can't believe people are defending Peggy stabbing Abe. She was lucky anybody would want to date her. I've never seen a character who is so paranoid everyone is out to get her. Don, Ted, Abe, strangers outside, Stan, etc. She's been isolating herself more and more as the show goes on. Remember when she was alone in her room and saw the two dogs humping? That was her story in a nutshell.
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Bobby Roberts
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Peggy stabbing Abe was an accident. She didn't mean to. Don't understand what "defense" you're seeing.
GoldenEye 007
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If anything, especially as Peggy stated, Abs kind of had it coming for just sneaking up and not saying anything to her. I mean, he should have said something!
-Pyromaniac-
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Peggy has definitely been having a world revolves around me attitude lately but Abe was still a pretty huge doucher that she should have dumped a while ago. Not stabbed of course, but dumped. Then again he did put up with her shit too.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Peggy is pretty self-involved, but she's always been that way.
Working at Sterling Cooper REALLY didn't help, though. Hell, look at us just watching it, and how paranoid we are that someone like Bob Benson could possibly exist in that office.
Working at Sterling Cooper REALLY didn't help, though. Hell, look at us just watching it, and how paranoid we are that someone like Bob Benson could possibly exist in that office.
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There were plenty more posts, but I'm not going to look for them. I hope we see more of Abe, he's a great character.
I understand the stabbing was accidental, but the fact that she was carrying a homemade spear around the house was not. What sane person does that? Then, immediately after stabbing him she says, "WHY DIDN"T YOU SAY SOMETHING!?" She is always quick to pass the blame, whether at work or at home.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
That's not a defense of Peggy. That's disapproval of Abe's character. Again - it's an accident. You can't cheer her for an accident. That's part of the joke. What people are saying is that they thought Abe was a shitdick, and they liked seeing him get shivved because it was funny as hell.
And it was.
Nobody's arguing that she's not self-involved.
edit: And Abe isn't a great character. He's one of the closest things to caricature on the show, really. There's not much dimension to him. The closest we got to him having any real shading was when he offhandedly mentioned having kids with Peggy - and that moment only has ANY power because of the way Peggy reacts.
And of course, he's full of shit about having kids with Peggy anyway.
And it was.
Nobody's arguing that she's not self-involved.
edit: And Abe isn't a great character. He's one of the closest things to caricature on the show, really. There's not much dimension to him. The closest we got to him having any real shading was when he offhandedly mentioned having kids with Peggy - and that moment only has ANY power because of the way Peggy reacts.
And of course, he's full of shit about having kids with Peggy anyway.
mightynine
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Considering how many scenes we've had of people recognizing Megan, it's only a matter of time before "HOW DARE YOU BREAK UP THAT MARRIAGE ON MY FAVORITE SOAP OPERA *stab stab stab*"
She wasn't safe in her home. She wanted to defend herself so she made a weapon. Accident. Wow are you really serious that she intended it?
Sure it was perfect considering how much of an asshat Abe was being but it was an accident.
I don't think you read my post.
Aren't there any other Peggy haters in this thread? Sunday's episode was really a good one for us. That conversation with Don about picking sides instead of just giving her opinion was great.
plantedunicorn
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Thank God Peggy is finally done with that freaking loser Abe. Everything that came out of his mouth was just stupid. How is anyone in their right mind willing to keep living there not to talk of raising kids there. What a moron.
Supermanisdead
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I wish Peggy stabbed him in his stupid face.
I just finished watching the latest episode. Goddamn that was a badass hour of television.
From Don Draper's story to Peggy stabbing Abe to the lesbian scene to Two-Cups pulling G maneuvers to rrrahheverything.
I did feel they may have overdone the Chaough/Don dynamic a little bit, but it makes sense, considering it's the heart of so much of what's going on right now. It was a little weird seeing Chaough so much over his crush with Peggy at the end, but I guess it would stem from his need to keep his life in order. Still, it might be a little too convenient for him to "get over it" (to some degree) right when Peggy breaks up with Abe. Like, it seems like it would be pretty clear what Peggy was alluding to when she showed up disheveled talking about her relationship ending and you would then expect Chaough to at least be more understanding. I understand the point is to highlight Peggy's confusion and abandonment, but it was a little too close to "Twilight Zone oh my god everyone in the world is different" for me.
Still, phenomenal episode. They even gave Bobby lines
From Don Draper's story to Peggy stabbing Abe to the lesbian scene to Two-Cups pulling G maneuvers to rrrahheverything.
I did feel they may have overdone the Chaough/Don dynamic a little bit, but it makes sense, considering it's the heart of so much of what's going on right now. It was a little weird seeing Chaough so much over his crush with Peggy at the end, but I guess it would stem from his need to keep his life in order. Still, it might be a little too convenient for him to "get over it" (to some degree) right when Peggy breaks up with Abe. Like, it seems like it would be pretty clear what Peggy was alluding to when she showed up disheveled talking about her relationship ending and you would then expect Chaough to at least be more understanding. I understand the point is to highlight Peggy's confusion and abandonment, but it was a little too close to "Twilight Zone oh my god everyone in the world is different" for me.
Still, phenomenal episode. They even gave Bobby lines
And Joan.
Doubt it, considering the actor is a main cast member on a new CBS show premiering in the Fall.
Dominican Power
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They said that Tate's murder was of mistaken identity but it wasn't. Manson decided to kill everyone in the house anyway because of being rejected by his music associate Terry Melcher.
I just finished watching the latest episode. Goddamn that was a badass hour of television.
From Don Draper's story to Peggy stabbing Abe to the lesbian scene to Two-Cups pulling G maneuvers to rrrahheverything.
I did feel they may have overdone the Chaough/Don dynamic a little bit, but it makes sense, considering it's the heart of so much of what's going on right now. It was a little weird seeing Chaough so much over his crush with Peggy at the end, but I guess it would stem from his need to keep his life in order. Still, it might be a little too convenient for him to "get over it" (to some degree) right when Peggy breaks up with Abe. Like, it seems like it would be pretty clear what Peggy was alluding to when she showed up disheveled talking about her relationship ending and you would then expect Chaough to at least be more understanding. I understand the point is to highlight Peggy's confusion and abandonment, but it was a little too close to "Twilight Zone oh my god everyone in the world is different" for me.
Still, phenomenal episode. They even gave Bobby lines
I think the Ted thing at the end had less to do with him "getting over" Peggy and more to do with him not having the safety blanket of two existing relationships.
When he professed his love it was under the safety net of the fact that both of them were in committed relationships and thus he had a convenient excuse not to follow through on his supposed feelings. When Peggy and Abe broke up suddenly her moral barrier had disappeared and it was put up or shut up time for Ted.
Alison Brie says hello.
Leona Lewis
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Didn't Elisabeth Moss play a leading role in a series for Sundance too?
sixteen-bit
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turnbuckle
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I almost wonder if it was intentional. Like he was testing her to see if she would do something. Doubtful he expected to get stabbed as severely as he did, but he didn't hide the fact he was using this whole experience for his writing.
Dominican Power
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So Don recommits to Meagan fully but then tragically loses her and this fundamentally changes him forever?
-Pyromaniac-
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Or it fucks him up worse.
Leona Lewis
Banned
He'd probably feel relieved that he didn't have to do it himself
She looked like a zombie in that.
Still would.
Cornballer
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Jackben
bitch I'm taking calls.
Cornballer
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I know, right?!?
They're probably saving it for the complete series set.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
He leaves New York, moves to Ohio, and becomes Herb Tarlek.
fierrotlepou
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That would be awesome. Man, I love this show!
I actually think that's a bit of a character moment from Ted -- when he was vulnerable and uncertain about Fleishman's, he was a different person... more abrasive in his general dealings and more raw (and open about his feelings regarding Peggy).
After they landed the account, that ad-man veneer of confidence and self-satisfaction returns and he's able to handle the Peggy situation in the way that he wants to be able to -- put it in its own little compartment.
I may be wrong, but I think Peggy-Ted is nowhere near a dead issue at this stage.
I like the gif
LOL
I will say I think you guys are going a little far with the theory that Abe was using his relationship for his story. I do think that he was telling the truth when he said every one of Peggy's actions were offensive to his very being, but I think he was sincere in loving her and wanting to start a future with her.
I think it was only through the incidents in this episode that he was really pushed over the edge towards hating her. She had been playing both sides of the conservative/counter-culture pretty well up to this point (although clearly her conservative side caused a lot of strain on their relationship and was a clear sign of their incompatibility), so it would make sense that Abe still felt there was a chance they would work well together. That's why he is genuinely shocked when she "takes the officer's side" or so firmly opposes them staying in that neighborhood any further. It would be pretty silly to think that way back when they first started going out his plan was to betray her and use her to further his career somewhere down the road. Silly still to suggest that until things got as bad as they did for them in this episode he was realistically considering the same. Him saying "you just gave me a great end to my article" does confirm that her response to "the real world" will be a factor in his final report, but it's clearly just something he had been thinking about in the back of his mind and was only cemented when she demanded they move out and fucking stabbed him.
To suggest he was double-crossing her this whole time is ridiculous. I actually believe he was even sincere when he agreed to move, because he actually did love her in spite of him hating every aspect of her character.
That being said, of course Abe is fuckin nuts for wanting to "experience the real world" by staying in a crapshack where he gets stabbed and attacked repeatedly and wrong for inflating the issues of race so far that he both excuses criminals and belittles Peggy, who has made great strides for gender equality. His intentions are (mostly) good, but his head is nowhere near where it needs to be to have a wife, or a family and really, regardless of whether he was or was not a moron he wasn't gonna work out with Peggy.
I don't think it was the account at all- it was his interactions with Peggy and the fact that Ted is actually a fundamentally decent person. When he spoke w/ Peggy in the middle of the episode, he realized that after the kiss, she simply wanted to just treat it as though it had never happened for the sake of both their personal and professional lives. At the end of the episode, he's back to treating her like normal, even though it's painful for him, because it's what she wanted earlier. However, the irony is that Peggy now would actually like a relationship with him, but she closed the door on that when circumstances were different. Her "back up plan" moved on.
Ignatz Mouse
Banned
Re: Ted:
He's a narcissist. He imagines Peggy's is touch and glance is all about him. Then, when he's not thinking about Peggy, he assumes she's not into him either.
Don is right when he tells Peggy she doesn't really know Ted.
PS: I think he's not thinking about Peggy because he's moved onto Moira.
He's a narcissist. He imagines Peggy's is touch and glance is all about him. Then, when he's not thinking about Peggy, he assumes she's not into him either.
Don is right when he tells Peggy she doesn't really know Ted.
PS: I think he's not thinking about Peggy because he's moved onto Moira.
Cornballer
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-Pyromaniac-
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lol these are hilarious, going to laugh if nothing comes of him and he is just some typical brown noser.
That seems like the most simple explanation...though I'm intrigued about the undercover agent aspect of it all.
I don't see it that way at all, but I guess we'll see. It certainly wouldn't be unusual for the show to go either way with it.
Ignatz seems partly right... I don't think his unhinged/anxious behavior had much to do with Peggy (rather, it was about the fact there was work to be sold). Whatever the case, the confident, relaxed state he's in at the end of the ep. doesn't seem to be what we've generally seen from him since the merger. Indeed, one of the reasons I doubt your take is that it seems so natural and easy for him to ignore anything but the surface of what Peggy's saying... so either Ted is a great actor or it's something else. (because certainly that sort of feeling seems within the Kevin Rahm's range).
Whatever the case, I like Ted as a character (there's a little mystery -- is he boy scout material or not?) and want to see where he goes.
I kind of think he's been fucking Moira the whole time, based on her behavior in the office and especially her dislike of Peggy. That's the reveal that shows how bad Ted really is and causes Peggy to jump out the window.
That's right. PEGGY IS THE FALLING MAN
Had they even landed the account? I thought it was still uncertain.
I was pretty sure that was the extent of his conversation with Don. Not verbatim, but something along the lines of "they called this morning - full speed ahead."
Oh that's right, totally forgot about those last lines of dialogue, guess I was too distracted thinking about poor Peggy in that scene!
Jackben
bitch I'm taking calls.
I don't think Ted is a cheater. But I also agree with Don: Peggy doesn't fully know Ted and vice versa. Ted is definitely of the same cut as Don in terms of being very self interested. From his very first introduction on the show he is very aggressive with Don, wanting to be treated as his equal. He's made numerous attempts to pouch Pete and who knows who else from Don's agency. When he originally snaps up Peggy it is likely more about taking Don's protege from him than about Peggy herself.
I feel that has evolved as Ted has gotten to know Peggy and appreciate her on her own merits. But as soon as they are all put together for the merger, the dynamic has changed. Sure he might have been plagued by thoughts of their kiss while under the stress of securing new business in a disorganized creative department...
But as soon as the situation calms down at the workplace, so has Ted. He's relaxed and ready to move on from whatever romantic tension was there, not realising for Peggy it was not just a moment of weakness but a genuine and deep-seated feeling.
I feel that has evolved as Ted has gotten to know Peggy and appreciate her on her own merits. But as soon as they are all put together for the merger, the dynamic has changed. Sure he might have been plagued by thoughts of their kiss while under the stress of securing new business in a disorganized creative department...
But as soon as the situation calms down at the workplace, so has Ted. He's relaxed and ready to move on from whatever romantic tension was there, not realising for Peggy it was not just a moment of weakness but a genuine and deep-seated feeling.
Cornballer
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