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Mad Men - Season 6 - Sundays on AMC

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-Pyromaniac-

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Black Mamba said:
This makes sense and I like it.

Also these crazy theories (not this one) seem stupid to me.
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Is Megan dying THAT crazy though? I don't think it is considering all that has happened, depending on well it's executed.

Anyway I still stand by my theory that she'll leave him possibly without warning and very suddenly by the end of this season. I could also buy the LA branch of SC&P but if that does end up happening we'll have to start seeing it unfold really soon. Don't think that's something you can whip up out of no where in the last episode.

Then again this is mad men.
 
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Black Mamba

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-Pyromaniac- said:
Is Megan dying THAT crazy though? I don't think it is considering all that has happened, depending on well it's executed.

Anyway I still stand by my theory that she'll leave him possibly without warning and very suddenly by the end of this season. I could also buy the LA branch of SC&P but if that does end up happening we'll have to start seeing it unfold really soon. Don't think that's something you can whip up out of no where in the last episode.

Then again this is mad men.
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Megan dying wouldn't be something necessarily crazy. I think Megan dying because she's Sharon Tate or that she is already dead is crazy, though.

i think her death being foreshadowed would be lame as fuck.
 
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Bobby Roberts

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I liked reading the theory, but the idea that Don is hallucinating Megan for multiple days/weeks and nobody is mentioning it? I dunno about that.

Although, if Dustin wanted - he could have dialed back the theory to "Don is essentially dead in the pool, and is meeting his wife in the afterlife" and then explained that with "In the afterlife, time has no meaning" - which would leave open the possibility that she does die at some point during this season.

Megan is NOT Sharon Tate, but Sharon Tate is being used as shorthand, most definitely. I don't think it's supposed to map one-to-one at all.
 
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Ignatz Mouse

Banned
Last year the show was littered with "Pete is gonna die" imagery, and that was wrong. So I don't put much stake in the theories. But they are fun.*

My biggest problem with the article though, is the notion that Don's visions can be prophetic. Yeah, big stretch to imagine your friend's ghost when you know she's on death's door already.

I did like the assertion that this was not a hash hallucination, but one based on near-death experience. Like I said, exygen deprivation is euphoric and trippy. Seems right.

Also, Don being suicidal has really come back bigtime, but he nearly did kill himself in one of the first episodes. I wonder why he's close to doing this when hsi homelife is stable but boring, but when he's divorced and drunk he's relatively stable in the suicide department?


EDIT * The theory I most believed recently, and seemed to be a lock, was for Game of Thrones (the Honeypot theory) and that was complely wrong.
 
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-Pyromaniac-

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Black Mamba said:
Megan dying wouldn't be something necessarily crazy. I think Megan dying because she's Sharon Tate or that she is already dead is crazy, though.

i think her death being foreshadowed would be lame as fuck.
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Lane's death was HEAVILY forshadowed and it was still very well executed. And the theory isn't that she IS Tate, it's just the parallels between the two.
 
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Bobby Roberts

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No doubt. Hell, half the time, you'd theorize something, and David Lynch would be like "Bet you didn't call the backwards talking velvet little person, did you. Huh."
 
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Black Mamba

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-Pyromaniac- said:
Lane's death was HEAVILY forshadowed and it was still very well executed. And the theory isn't that she IS Tate, it's just the parallels between the two.
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whoa, there is a big difference. Lane's death wasn't foreshadowed by real life history, which is the claim regarding megan. That is something I find lame.

Lane falling into money troubles is a story arc. Completely different (though I don't even recall any specific foreshadowing of him hanging himself).
 
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-Pyromaniac-

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It's not just real life history though. And not everyone is arguing that Megan will be the one dying, that just seems to be the new in-theory lately. But the overall theory that SOMEONE will die is solid. There has been endless death/violence imagery this season. Just like there was last season leading up to Lane's death. Even before his money troubles. That thing was choreographed from the start.

Once again, not saying it will happen, but to shrug it off is insane. Weiner WANTS us to think it. I can almost say that definitively.
 
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Black Mamba

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-Pyromaniac- said:
It's not just real life history though. And not everyone is arguing that Megan will be the one dying, that just seems to be the new in-theory lately. But the overall theory that SOMEONE will die is solid. There has been endless death/violence imagery this season. Just like there was last season leading up to Lane's death. Even before his money troubles. That thing was choreographed from the start.

Once again, not saying it will happen, but to shrug it off is insane. Weiner WANTS us to think it. I can almost say that definitively.
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Let me rephrase what I said earlier.

Megan's death being forshadowed by real life would be fucking lame.

I have no problem with Megan dying or anyone else dying and I agree death has been a definite image this season, particularly with Don. I don't even mind someone's death being foreshadowed during the season. But not if it's because someone dressed like Sharon Tate. Mad Men should not be about fishing expeditions to figure out what is going to happen. The show is should be left self-contained.

And I also don't think Mad Men should go for a big OMG WHAT A TWIST like Megan has already been dead or it's all a hallucination! This isn't Lost. Mad Men shouldn't be a show about surprising people with twist and turns. If Megan dies it should be within the proper context of the show itself.
 
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jtb

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It's not like the show is hiding the death imagery though. Hell, Don's entire arc is based around death and rebirth. He "died" as Dick Whitman and was granted a second life as Don Draper. He "died" in California (in... s2? I want to say... I forget), and was reborn. He "died" again in California and was reborn when he married Megan. California is all about the new world, a new life, while New York is his world in decay.

He's a man obsessed with death; he "only likes the beginnings of things." (s1!) stuff like the pitch at the beginning of the season (walking into the ocean), You Only Live Twice, that's just icing on the cake.
 
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maharg

idspispopd
FatboyRoberts said:
I liked reading the theory, but the idea that Don is hallucinating Megan for multiple days/weeks and nobody is mentioning it? I dunno about that.
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New page, needs to be clarified again, there's nothing in the theory post that says anything about Megan being dead *all along*. The intent seems to be that she died while he was away, which would make her appearance very similar to when Anna appeared to him.

It's not The Sixth Sense.
 
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Zeus Molecules

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The Meghan died while Don was in LA and the west coast branch make a lot of sense. I could also see how it helps bob because if Harry left to go out there he could take his spot in NY. If this all happens this would be an amazing series.
 
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Bobby Roberts

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maharg said:
New page, needs to be clarified again, there's nothing in the theory post that says anything about Megan being dead *all along*. The intent seems to be that she died while he was away, which would make her appearance very similar to when Anna appeared to him.

It's not The Sixth Sense.
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You're misunderstanding me. I meant IN THE NEXT EPISODE. I'm assuming that next episode, stuff is going to be going along as per normal, probably days or weeks away from this most recent episode. The idea that nobody mentions her death, or is mentioning it, would be weird. Essentially - Megan dying would be a big deal, not just to Don, but to the people surrounding Don. It would cast a pretty big pall over the show, and the characters would have to react accordingly. I don't get the sense that's going to be the case in this next episode.

Apologies I didn't clarify that more initially. That's my bad. I understood Dustin's theory fine, I just think using the "next week on Mad Men" as further justification didn't help - if he'd not used the "next week" segment as his proof, it would have given him a better out.
 
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PartlyCloudlike

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Has Don's voice always been that hoarse? I've noticed Hamm's voice in interviews, and it can sound just as rough and scratchy, so I thought nothing of it. We've already had a breast cancer scare with Betty, I wouldn't want a throat cancer arc for Don.
 
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fierrotlepou

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FatboyRoberts said:
You're misunderstanding me. I meant IN THE NEXT EPISODE. I'm assuming that next episode, stuff is going to be going along as per normal, probably days or weeks away from this most recent episode. The idea that nobody mentions her death, or is mentioning it, would be weird. Essentially - Megan dying would be a big deal, not just to Don, but to the people surrounding Don. It would cast a pretty big pall over the show, and the characters would have to react accordingly. I don't get the sense that's going to be the case in this next episode.

Apologies I didn't clarify that more initially. That's my bad. I understood Dustin's theory fine, I just think using the "next week on Mad Men" as further justification didn't help - if he'd not used the "next week" segment as his proof, it would have given him a better out.
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Isn't every episode like this? Mad Men isn't a show where a character would be dead all along and they'd reveal it "on the next episode of Mad Men". Every episode just carries some stuff from the previous ones with it, but it's never a real continuation now is it? Not saying that it's a soap of course...
 
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maharg

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FatboyRoberts said:
You're misunderstanding me. I meant IN THE NEXT EPISODE. I'm assuming that next episode, stuff is going to be going along as per normal, probably days or weeks away from this most recent episode. The idea that nobody mentions her death, or is mentioning it, would be weird. Essentially - Megan dying would be a big deal, not just to Don, but to the people surrounding Don. It would cast a pretty big pall over the show, and the characters would have to react accordingly. I don't get the sense that's going to be the case in this next episode.

Apologies I didn't clarify that more initially. That's my bad. I understood Dustin's theory fine, I just think using the "next week on Mad Men" as further justification didn't help - if he'd not used the "next week" segment as his proof, it would have given him a better out.
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I don't really understand what you're saying here. Why do you think no one would be mentioning her death? Why do you think it wouldn't be a big deal?

I mean, you can't accuse someone of drawing too much from the next time on and then go and draw a conclusion about the entire tone of the next episode from it. ;)
 
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Bobby Roberts

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maharg said:
I mean, you can't accuse someone of drawing too much from the next time on and then go and draw a conclusion about the entire tone of the next episode from it. ;)
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Well, that's kind of the point. :) Using the next on for ANY speculation is problematic. You pointed it out in my poking holes at Dustin's theory, I pointed out while poking holes in Dustin's theory.

The theory isn't actually made any stronger by using the "next on" to explain it. Maybe that's a hallucination Don is having. And maybe the rest of the 30 second disjointed clips don't strongly support my idea that nobody seems to concerned that Don's Wife died, which is weird. But using the vague-as-fuck "Next week ons" as anything but examples of the word "vague" is kind of problematic, period.

Regardless - I like the theory, but I don't see the next episode being played out that way, I don't imagine a major character death like that is really going to be done off-screen, with the main character hallucinating discussions with her days (or weeks) afterwards. If Megan dies, it's going to be a big deal, much in the same way Lane's death was - if not moreso, because Megan is much more strongly tied to the lead of the show than Lane was.
 
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maharg

idspispopd
Well I don't really think the theory rests so heavily on the next time on, and I agree it's the least useful evidence in the whole thing. I think there's enough to tentatively support the idea outside of it, though.

The difference, then, is that you're using the next time on exclusively to argue against the theory and the theory itself only uses the next time on as an element. And you're pulling timespan and tone from the trailer, neither of which are even hinted at in it.
 
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Bobby Roberts

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Theory doesn't need it at all. It's cooler without it. Timespan comes more from the practices of show itself over 6 seasons, not the next on, really.

It's a fun theory to kick around, though.
 
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Y2Kev

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What is it about corporate culture that makes people so territorial? Fear of marginalization?

I don't think Pete was necessarily spot on here. Possession is 9/10ths of the law and Joan never gave up possession of the ball. Should she have invited Pete? Yes. But should Pete have tried to cut her out? He made his own bed.

I also don't believe he is prescient or even paying attention to the firm. He's only paying attention to himself. He isn't on to Cutler or Ted.

Anyway, look at what happened when Lane tried "getting an account" last year. People laughed at him because he really was completely a numbers guy, couldn't charm, and didn't have Joan's mesmerizing figure, but people treated him like a joke. There was no vitriol, and let's be honest, he was even less qualified to have an account than Joan is.
 
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Leona Lewis

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Y2Kev said:
What is it about corporate culture that makes people so territorial? Fear of marginalization?

I don't think Pete was necessarily spot on here. Possession is 9/10ths of the law and Joan never gave up possession of the ball. Should she have invited Pete? Yes. But should Pete have tried to cut her out? He made his own bed.

I also don't believe he is prescient or even paying attention to the firm. He's only paying attention to himself. He isn't on to Cutler or Ted.

Anyway, look at what happened when Lane tried "getting an account" last year. People laughed at him because he really was completely a numbers guy, couldn't charm, and didn't have Joan's mesmerizing figure, but people treated him like a joke. There was no vitriol, and let's be honest, he was even less qualified to have an account than Joan is.
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Not to mention that the accounts people nearly torpedoed the whole thing after the client was found with "chewing gum on his pubis!!!"

Maybe it's better to lend accounts a fresh perspective on what it means to serve a client
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Tim the Wiz

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Megan leaving Don for an opportunity in Hollywood would be more likely than her being already dead. After all, the divorce rate for second marriages are even higher than first ones.
 
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Cornballer

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- NYT: The Bob Benson of His Office: James Wolk on His ‘Mad Men’ Role
Every office has its Bob Benson, that one person whose hard work and good intentions are unfortunately canceled out by their overeagerness and ingratiating ways. (Don’t worry, it’s not you.)

On “Mad Men,” at the offices of Sterling Cooper & Partners, that position has been filled by Bob Benson himself: the guileless character played by James Wolk, who showed up at the start of the season and never really went away. His unparalleled aptitude for showing up at the right place at the wrong time has everyone wondering what he might really be up to.

Mr. Wolk, who has appeared on “Lone Star,” “Political Animals” and “Happy Endings,” among other shows cannot yet divulge what — if anything — might be in store for his character, but he did speak recently to ArtsBeat about how his own inner Bob Benson (and perhaps a few years spent working in his father’s shoe store) helped him win his “Mad Men” role. These are edited excerpts from that conversation.
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Grizzlyjin

Grizzlyjin

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One big thing that made me think something had happened to Megan while Don was in LA was at the very end of the last episode. Don gets back to the office and has Dawn try to get Megan on the phone...and that's it. The scene didn't really go anywhere, it just stood out as strange. Usually in that instance we'd get a snippet of the conversation or even her ignoring him. But it was nothing, and they moved on. Just weird.

Something wicked is brewing.
 
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Ignatz Mouse

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Grizzlyjin said:
One big thing that made me think something had happened to Megan while Don was in LA was at the very end of the last episode. Don gets back to the office and has Dawn try to get Megan on the phone...and that's it. The scene didn't really go anywhere, it just stood out as strange. Usually in that instance we'd get a snippet of the conversation or even her ignoring him. But it was nothing, and they moved on. Just weird.

Something wicked is brewing.
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I still wonder if she's cheating. Bea big twist if his mistress dumps him, then his wife cheats on him.
 
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