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[Ignatz Mouse]

I dunno. I chuckled at it, but then I thought about herb and how they humanized him over time, so totally *not* Don.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

Really good point.

But he's already rocking Tarlek's jackets half the time, though!

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

My point is that he will end up *worse* than Herb!

But yeah, fashion-wise he's right on track.

 

[Wool]

I made a gif. You know, so we can analyze the episode...

 

[lamaroo]

I made a gif. You know, so we can analyze the episode...

Too fast.

 

[Minus_Me]

What song is at the end of the ep?

 

[Cornballer]

What song is at the end of the ep?

It's a classic, man: Janis Joplin - piece of my heart

 

[Minus_Me]

Never got into Joplin, but that's going to change I think. Thanks dude.

 

[-Pyromaniac-]

On one hand I kind of feel bad for Pete despite his total douchery. But he is definitely overreacting to everything lately. He just needs to pull a stan and chill the fuck out and just go along for the ride. Whatever happens happens.

Maybe we'll see laid back Pete now. Doubt it...but maybe.

 

[kirblar]

On one hand I kind of feel bad for Pete despite his total douchery. But he is definitely overreacting to everything lately. He just needs to pull a stan and chill the fuck out and just go along for the ride. Whatever happens happens.

Maybe we'll see laid back Pete now. Doubt it...but maybe.

Pete's where Roger was post-Lucky Strike. He actually has to work now.

 

[Paganmoon]

Lots of pages, so probobly discussed before but, what's the deal with Bob Benson? I mean he seems like a good guy right? But I get the feeling the writers want us to think he's got something sinister going on? I actually like the character too... hmm.

 

[Salsa]

I made a gif. You know, so we can analyze the episode...

yeah they keep making this show harder to pay attention to, man

no really I had to like rewind cause I paid no attention to harry

but hey it's effective, they're putting is in don's mind

lol

 

[War Peaceman]

On one hand I kind of feel bad for Pete despite his total douchery. But he is definitely overreacting to everything lately. He just needs to pull a stan and chill the fuck out and just go along for the ride. Whatever happens happens.

Maybe we'll see laid back Pete now. Doubt it...but maybe.

Pete was in this episode - and typically is - spot on. His delivery is the problem. He's like the anti-don.

 

[f0rk]

On one hand I kind of feel bad for Pete despite his total douchery. But he is definitely overreacting to everything lately. He just needs to pull a stan and chill the fuck out and just go along for the ride. Whatever happens happens.

Maybe we'll see laid back Pete now. Doubt it...but maybe.

I don't think he was overreacting, he's the only one realising what is happening to the agency

 

[BertramCooper]

I don't think he was overreacting, he's the only one realising what is happening to the agency

The agency will probably be fine.

Pete is just getting pissy because he's being increasingly marginalized.

 

[Soybean]

The whole episode was setting up a massive power struggle. Pete's right to be worried.

 

[Cornballer]

- Tom & Lorenzo: Mad Style: A Tale of Two Cities

here’s where we see this dress start to have a conversation with the other costuming. Peggy and Joan’s outfits “go with” each other the way you’d pair a dress and a handbag, say. They don’t match, exactly, but Peggy’s definitely drawing the yellows out of Joan’s dress and somewhat mimicking the bow at the sleeve with the scarf around her neck. But on the flip side, these costumes exist to illustrate the differences in each character. Joan is an explosion of femininity and female form; all curves and flowers. Peggy is slightly more business-like, and much less frivolous; more straight up and down, with less fussiness. Her dress almost looks masculine in comparison to Joan’s; the pleats and short sleeves contrasting with the flounces and bows on Joan’s dress. This entire story is about two women seeking power using different tools and how that puts a wall up between them. We’re seeing that literally here, with the pillar of the room and the costumes themselves serving to illustrate the divide between them.

Golden yellows have traditionally been Peggy’s career power color, but that hasn’t been quite so true this season and we think a lot of that has to do with Ted Chaough.

 

[BearChair]

Does anyone have a clip or a gif of just the final scene with Pete taking Kinsey's joint, Janis Joplin kicking in and Pete checking out the woman in the yellow mini skirt? My wife missed the episode and I wanted to show it to her.

 

[sixteen-bit]

I hate to break it to you, but Kinsey doesn't work there anymore.

 

[Cornballer]

Does anyone have a clip or a gif of just the final scene with Pete taking Kinsey's joint, Janis Joplin kicking in and Pete checking out the woman in the yellow mini skirt? My wife missed the episode and I wanted to show it to her.

Here you go.

 

[shadyspace]

Jeez this is insanely plausible: Megan is already dead

 

[Cornballer]

I had a good laugh at that one this morning.

 

[CrankyJay]

Jeez this is insanely plausible: Megan is already dead

Sort of stretching it...Weiner doesn't deal in absolutes like this, he's a master at symbolic shit but then having it go nowhere.

See season 5 of the Sopranos when

Spoiler

Tony is a coma for multiple episodes

 

[Zoctan]

Jeez this is insanely plausible: Megan is already dead

Interesting read. Definitely reading into it too much but still an entertaining theory.

 

[Dude Abides]

She really doesn't have the tits to pull off that shirt.

She did in hot tub time machine.

 

[Dany]

But megan has interacted with other characters.

 

[megamerican]

Jeez this is insanely plausible: Megan is already dead

Okay it's an interesting theory but insanely possible is kind of a stretch. And Megan has interacted with a lot of characters apart from Don which kind of shoots this theory down.

 

[shadyspace]

Okay it's an interesting theory but insanely possible is kind of a stretch. And Megan has interacted with a lot of characters apart from Don which kind of shoots this theory down.

I meant insanely plausible in that it would be insane if this happened

 

[mightynine]

Jeez this is insanely plausible: Megan is already dead

Makes me wonder if Roger's "Don't you wish you'd gone straight home?" line was more than just a throwaway.

It is a bit out there, though.

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

That's a wild one, alright.

I guess we'll find out in the opener next week.

 

[shadyspace]

also I really want Megan off the show

 

[maharg]

Okay it's an interesting theory but insanely possible is kind of a stretch. And Megan has interacted with a lot of characters apart from Don which kind of shoots this theory down.

I don't think the theory is that she's been dead the whole season. The theory is she died while he was away.

Which is something I'd been thinking about since the last thing Don did in the episode was ask for her on the phone and it was left hanging.

 

[Cornballer]

Any idea why we've seen an upsurge in crazy theories this season? Is it the content as the show becomes more unconventional in its later years? Are people getting bored and therefore coming up with stuff like this? Does the increased amount of scrutiny and analysis compared to previous seasons just lend itself to weird theories coming out of the woodwork?

 

[Fairly Rational]

Any idea why we've seen an upsurge in crazy theories this season? Is it the content as the show becomes more unconventional in its later years? Are people getting bored and therefore coming up with stuff like this? Does the increased amount of scrutiny and analysis compared to previous seasons just lend itself to weird theories coming out of the woodwork?

I think this tends to happen with shows that have built a reputation on symbolism and subtext. People find themselves analyzing the crap out of every minute detail in hopes of catching the "true" meaning of the narrative.

So basically the longer a show goes on the likelier it'll crawl up its own ass.

 

[Niraj]

Jeez this is insanely plausible: Megan is already dead

Yeah, a bit much.

Laughed at the author quoting "Verbal Kunt" though

 

[maharg]

Any idea why we've seen an upsurge in crazy theories this season? Is it the content as the show becomes more unconventional in its later years? Are people getting bored and therefore coming up with stuff like this? Does the increased amount of scrutiny and analysis compared to previous seasons just lend itself to weird theories coming out of the woodwork?

It's a show that has surprised people in ways that make sense in hindsight several times. If you expect it to do the same again and you're the sort of person who enjoys solving puzzles, it's only natural to try to figure out the next ones.

 

[Divius]

Jeez this is insanely plausible: Megan is already dead

Maybe she was the one who suffered a heart attack at the beginning of the season.

 

[BertramCooper]

Interesting thought from the Tom & Lorenzo piece:

Okay, Harry is utterly ridiculous, but he’s absolutely of-the-moment trendy for L.A. 1968. Granted, even then he would have been seen as something of a douchebag, but in that crowd of entertainment industry executives, performers and hangers-on in which he spends his time, his look places him firmly inside the tribe. He’s groovy and he belongs here. We think the story is heading toward the opening of an L.A. branch of SC&P, which is probably when Harry will make his play to become a partner.

For whatever reason, I hadn't really thought of it, but it makes a lot of sense.

I could see the SCDP folks sticking in New York while the CGC folks (along with Harry) head to L.A. It would probably help resolve the friction between the two factions, though I can't imagine the result would be entirely harmonious.

 

[f0rk]

Interesting thought from the Tom & Lorenzo piece:



For whatever reason, I hadn't really thought of it, but it makes a lot of sense.

I could see the SCDP folks sticking in New York while the CGC folks (along with Harry) head to L.A. It would probably help resolve the friction between the two factions, though I can't imagine the result would be entirely harmonious.

That was sort of foreshadowed in this episode with the thing about 'when we get you're at lunch'

 

[Cornballer]

I think this tends to happen with shows that have built a reputation on symbolism and subtext. People find themselves analyzing the crap out of every minute detail in hopes of catching the "true" meaning of the narrative.

It's a show that has surprised people in ways that make sense in hindsight several times. If you expect it to do the same again and you're the sort of person who enjoys solving puzzles, it's only natural to try to figure out the next ones.

I can understand the impulse to and allure of mining the show for deeper meaning in the moment, but the idea of using this to extrapolate what's going to happen in the future on the show doesn't seem as useful to me. I suppose it's the next logical step, but I've never considered the show to be heavy on foreshadowing (too many symbols to sort through, lots of red herrings). Though that might just be my impression as I typically struggle to peel back all of the layers that Mad Men has on my first few viewings, so I don't put a lot of thought into what's going to happen if we follow the trail of bread crumbs that Weiner has left.

I could see the SCDP folks sticking in New York while the CGC folks (along with Harry) head to L.A. It would probably help resolve the friction between the two factions, though I can't imagine the result would be entirely harmonious.

They mentioned that on Twitter during the episode on Sunday. It'd alleviate a lot of tension and placate Jim Cutler and a few others, but divorces are always messy.

 

[Divius]

And then the kid (Peggy) will have to choose who to stay with

 

[BertramCooper]

And then the kid (Peggy) will have to choose who to stay with

I'd imagine she'd go to L.A.

Her long-term relationship is over, she can't stand Don, and she has lived in New York her entire life.

If I were her, I'd do it.

 

[-Pyromaniac-]

Any idea why we've seen an upsurge in crazy theories this season? Is it the content as the show becomes more unconventional in its later years? Are people getting bored and therefore coming up with stuff like this? Does the increased amount of scrutiny and analysis compared to previous seasons just lend itself to weird theories coming out of the woodwork?

People are just wising up to Weiner's style and after noticing the signs leading up to the death last season, people are going all out to try and see if they can predict things again. It's definitely a smart show and most of these theories will be wrong if not all of them. You can never really tell what they are planning but they definitely want you to think certain things considering all the symbolism and foreshadowing.

 

[Divius]

I'd imagine she'd go to L.A.
Her long-term relationship is over, she can't stand Don, and she has lived in New York her entire life.
If I were her, I'd do it.

Fair points, but we both know how convincing Don can be.

 

[BertramCooper]

Fair points, but we both know how convincing Don can be.

At this point, Don couldn't persuade Peggy to do anything.

She'll always have a soft spot for him, but their relationship is toxic and she knows it.

Another point: Her mother is a ginormous cunt and she probably would jump at the chance to get as far away from her as possible.

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

Don could win Peggy over in a second if he let his armor drop around her.

She was all his when he was vulnerable. Dude has been in "get away from me" mode emotionally all season.

 

[mightynine]

While reading reaction to the Megan Is Dead theory (Quick! Play a song featured in this week's episode in reverse to find out!), I can't believe I didn't pick up until now that the music dropping out in the dream sequence is exactly when he fell into the pool.

 

[Altazor]

While reading reaction to the Megan Is Dead theory (Quick! Play a song featured in this week's episode in reverse to find out!), I can't believe I didn't pick up until now that the music dropping out in the dream sequence is exactly when he fell into the pool.

interesting.

Also that "a second chance... come with me" line just as the music changes. It all plays to that subconscious suicidal desire theme that has been prevalent in Don's arc during the season. Death and baptism by drowning, a Second Chance.

 

[Steelyuhas]

Opening a branch in LA makes sense, will be interesting to see if it ends up happening.

 

[Black Mamba]

Interesting thought from the Tom & Lorenzo piece:



For whatever reason, I hadn't really thought of it, but it makes a lot of sense.

I could see the SCDP folks sticking in New York while the CGC folks (along with Harry) head to L.A. It would probably help resolve the friction between the two factions, though I can't imagine the result would be entirely harmonious.

This makes sense and I like it.

Also these crazy theories (not this one) seem stupid to me.