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Can someone explain the scene between Bob and Pete to me? I think I've got the gist of it but I want to be sure/hear an opinion on it.
Basically, Pete admitted to himself and the audience that trying to out Bob would just backfire like when he tried to get Don fired back in S1.

Given his inability to edge Bob out of Chevy, he formed an agreement with Bob that as long as Bob stays out of Pete's personal life, he won't do anything to expose Bob's fraud.

The old "I won't fuck with you if you don't fuck with me (literally and figuratively)"
 
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I have to think the sexuality is a minor part of it. Bob went for it and was rejected. Are we to think he's some kind if predator? Pete is just lame and self centered.
It's kind of hilarious that Pete thinks all Bob wants is to have sex with him. He could of asked for much more to keep his secret, but he was all NO SEX PLEASE.

You're just a stepping stone Pete, no one actually wants you.
 
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Videos:
- Next on Mad Men: Episode 613 (AMC vid, please spoiler tag any discussion)
- Inside Episode 612 Mad Men: The Quality of Mercy (AMC vid)
- Janie Bryant on Costumes in Episode 612: Inside Mad Men (AMC vid)

Reviews:
- Sepinwall's review
- Zap2It
- Maureen Ryan
- The Daily Beast

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- AMC Q&A: Rich Sommer (Harry Crane)
- SC&P Unveil New logo: Image & press release
- Rolling Stone: 'Mad Men' Actor James Wolk on the Mystery of Bob Benson
 

Grizzlyjin

Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
I have to think the sexuality is a minor part of it. Bob went for it and was rejected. Are we to think he's some kind if predator? Pete is just lame and self centered.

Yeah, I think Pete is more obsessed with it than Bob is. Bob and Manolo probably have thing going on. He subtlety implied that Manolo doesn't swing that way last week, and then he basically shouted it tonight.
 

Zeus Molecules

illegal immigrants are stealing our air
I think that Pete is worried that Bob will just become a bigger problem if he turns on him. Pete said that he had no idea what someone like Bob would be capable of with a day head start. Bob is pretty heavily weaved into Pete's life. Know where he lives, where is mother lives, etc.

Plus all the other partners made it very clear that they wanted Bob to stick around on Chevy. Now that Pete knows he can't make Bob walk away because he has non existent references, he has to just deal with it.

Pete's only play is that Bob has to stay away from him sexually, or the deal is over.

Smart move from Pete because he has to know guys like Bob and Don have a way of getting what they want and screwing over guys like pete. Especially that "give me 1 day" line would be all a guy like Bob needs to pull something on Pete.

As for Don its was cold hearted what he did but he wasn't lying. What made him a monster isn't what he did (explaining to ted that he was enraptured with Peggy and losing his business sense) but how he did it. I really believe sunkist is going to have SCP open a west coast branch and half the cast is moving out there.
 

Ripclawe

Banned
It's kind of hilarious that Pete thinks all Bob wants is to have sex with him. He could of asked for much more to keep his secret, but he was all NO SEX PLEASE.

You're just a stepping stone Pete, no one actually wants you.

I called it! Bob is a mover up the ladder and he will do what it takes to get to the top. Pete is just another thing move in front of.
 

Ripclawe

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Plus people like and trust Bob more than they do Pete as shown in that meeting. Pete may realize he can use Bob to gain some cred
 

CrankyJay

Banned
Why would Pete allow Bob to remain there?

This is precisely why they had Peter tell Trudy about her father. It backfired on him and he is learning from his mistakes. Him telling Sterling and Cooper about Dick Whitman is just further evidence.

Also, way to go Weiner de-fanging Chekov's gun by saying it was only a .22, lol
 
LOVE LOVE LOVED the scene between Betty and Sally.

Loved the ending.

But

Can someone explain the scene between Bob and Pete to me? I think I've got the gist of it but I want to be sure/hear an opinion on it.

He tamed benson. Should bob ever piss Pete off ever bob knows hes done for. By apologizing he got bob's submission.

Plus, he couldn't just fire Bob, because Pete is the one who hired him, and he'd look like an idiot.
 

iammeiam

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I wonder if Bob really was calling a hit of some sort on Pete. That phone call was pretty angry sounding.

I thought he was just telling Manolo to mess around with Pete's mom's emotions (hence her showing up asking for her passport later,) as a way of showing Pete the consequences of fucking with him. I do like that Pete has finally realized the only way to win with Don and guys like him is to just not play because it can never be worth it.

So glad Kenny's not dead. Also glad that the odds of seeing Pete get shot, involved in a car wreck, or otherwise injured to comedic effect have just skyrocketed dramatically.

This episode was the most I've enjoyed watching Don in ages, come to think of it. He may have just crushed Peggy's career dreams, but he was slick about it.
 

ZaCH3000

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Heh at Pete thinking Bob is Don 2.0. I loved seeing Bob stand up for himself. It was hot.

Poor Peggy being in the crossfire of another one of Don's mishaps, even though Don was right this time. (Though the way he went about it was gross.)

Don moved a checkmate on Ted, and Ted knows it. Peggy knows it too. Peggy is in it for emotional reasons. Ted doesn't want to be but he keeps falling back into it unintentionally. We know Ted doesn't want that from the conversations we've seen him have with Peggy. Don senses this weakness and conflict in Ted.

Ted will probably appreciate what Don did. It took someone like Don to expose Ted to his own bullshit to put an end to it. We already know Ted isn't capable of ending it himself. Hearing it from the likes of Don, with the impact of how Don did it, will ensure Ted stays far away from Peggy as possible romantically.

Peggy knows Don better than Don thinks and in the end exposes Don's real motives. It isn't about the firm for Don, or about Ted. Its all about Don's relationship with the women in his life and his ability to control some aspect of their lives. Don is indirectly preventing Peggy's happiness, while saving Ted from self-destructing, and preserving the firms credibility by disrupting such a controversy from ever happening.

His final response at the end is a half-truth. For the firm, Don says. For a character as complex as Don I find it easy to dismiss his surface answer. I think its clear Don is trying to draw Peggy onto his side in the best possible way with the least collateral damage with respect to Ted and the firm. In his own weird way Don is attempting to consider matters outside of his own motivations and he wants recognition for it from Peggy, his prize.

Don's relationship with Peggy has taken a complex turn with the context of this episode. The ending of last episode to his conversation with Betty regarding Sally in the start of tonight's episode exposes the fatherly jealousy he has for Peggy is an interesting contrast in this episode. On one hand, he loves Sally because she is his actual offspring, yet they share nothing and are apart and distant. With Peggy, on the other hand, Don raised her into the fine ad executive she is in the events of Mad Men. They shared more time together, had more conversations together than Don and Sally ever had. I think Don sees Peggy as a daughter and cares deeply for her in that fatherly figure way. Its even more interesting because Peggy didn't have a father growing up either.
 

hamchan

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Why would Pete allow Bob to remain there?

Because now he has someone that is his bitch at the company. Bob Bensen has to remain loyal to Pete now or his secret is out.

Also Don trying to sabotage the Peggy and Ted thing is actually the right move I feel, even if he might have done it for his own personal satisfaction.
 

ZaCH3000

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lol, and this crushes me. I wanted things to work out for Peggy.

It will never work out for Peggy. She is far too morally bankrupt. The only chance she has to escape the world of Madison Avenue. Wishing her character to escape is mere fantasy. Her fate is misery and failure in all human aspects like family and relationships. At least she will find satisfaction in wealth and status.
 

Rookje

Member
I just don't think its that realistic for Bob to flirt with another guy in that time period and get away with it.

I couldn't imagine doing that myself... I mean, what if they actually wanted to fk me?
 

Zeus Molecules

illegal immigrants are stealing our air
I know predictions never work with this show and this has been said before here. However I honestly see a west coast scp branch opening and I after this episode I think there is a chance Down leaves to go run it during the interval between seasons.

At first I thought it would be Ted but with Sunkist being Don's account and his kids avoiding him anyhow.....Why stay?
 

hamchan

Member
I know predictions never work with this show and this has been said before here. However I honestly see a west coast scp branch opening and I after this episode I think there is a chance Down leaves to go run it during the interval between seasons.

At first I thought it would be Ted but with Sunkist being Don's account and his kids avoiding him anyhow.....Why stay?

Do they have the money to open another branch? Also Don would probably have to hang out with Harry all day if so rofl.
 

wenis

Registered for GAF on September 11, 2001.
Ted and Peggy, you guys were askin to get fucked, just not how you expected. Boom, roasted!
 
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