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Okay, I read through this thread looked at all the different screens , read lots of people treating NathanK like crap on a stick and have the following to add-
ESPN 2K5 looks fucking incredible for a current gen football game
Madden 06 for Xbox looks like shit comparitivly.
Madden 06 for 360 on the other hand looks mostly nice except for the grass which admittadly isn't even volumetric. Going so far as calling it a ps2 texture also seems incorrect, it's atleast twice the sampling quality but still a texture.
I'll also add that I don't like sports games so consider this a nonbiased rebuttal. If madden 360 and tiger woods for that matter could simply add in grass that looks like kameo's grass then we'd be in business. To call the game ugly is a bit of an overexaggeration and I might also add that anyone who likes madden will probally trade in whatever copy they have now to buy this one if they also get a 360 so yeah...
ESPN 2K5 looks fucking incredible for a current gen football game
Madden 06 for Xbox looks like shit comparitivly.
Madden 06 for 360 on the other hand looks mostly nice except for the grass which admittadly isn't even volumetric. Going so far as calling it a ps2 texture also seems incorrect, it's atleast twice the sampling quality but still a texture.
I'll also add that I don't like sports games so consider this a nonbiased rebuttal. If madden 360 and tiger woods for that matter could simply add in grass that looks like kameo's grass then we'd be in business. To call the game ugly is a bit of an overexaggeration and I might also add that anyone who likes madden will probally trade in whatever copy they have now to buy this one if they also get a 360 so yeah...
Mrbob said:
not specifically, but I mean nothing is finished yet, the last part of the cycle is making everything look great and work properly. You guys are seriously blowing things out of proportion. I wouldnt be too harsh about anything you see for next gen until it's in your hands. I imagine pretty much everything you've seen that looks great is just software renders
I'd also like to add that the final version of NFL2K5 did not even look close to as good as that stupid press release screenshot which keeps on permeating these Madden threads.
Hey, don't get mad at me 'cause 1up twisted one of my comments for their news story. I've seen two videos for this game, the Shaun Alexander TD run and the burger king video. Each video has distinct animation. The Shaun Alexander video has advanced animation not seen in current gen madden while hte bk video has recycled animation from the current gen version. This is why I'm asking.
Hey, don't get mad at me 'cause 1up twisted one of my comments for their news story. I've seen two videos for this game, the Shaun Alexander TD run and the burger king video. Each video has distinct animation. The Shaun Alexander video has advanced animation not seen in current gen madden while hte bk video has recycled animation from the current gen version. This is why I'm asking.
rastex said:
I think it would be best for you to look for a different forum. Obviously you are not an "anti-social fucking reject" like the rest of us.
As for my opinion of the screenshots. I like the stadiums, the player models are ok. I don't really like the look of the texture on the grass, and the crowd looks weird.
In comparison to the target renders, this looks a bit underwhelming. Hopefully the game is good!
Damn dude, I can really see that this is hitting home...rastex said:
Unfortunately, people tend to "get into" being ultra critical of things even if they know they could never achieve it. I mean, look at a bad sports team. I'm from Cincinnati, man, the home of the Cincinnati Bengals! Things have been looking better recently, but there have been so many years of them getting steamrolled. Do you think the people insulting the team really believe they could play football better than any of them? I know I sure as hell couldn't get out on that field and do what they do.
What about movies? Have you seen how defensive Uwe Boll gets when people bash his movies? He acts like he just can't believe it and that they should not be doing. He actually said that everyone critisizing his films were just a bunch of nerds that could do no better. Guess what? He's right about most people not being able to do better. I could never direct a movie even remotely close to those...
Hell, people bitch Bush all the damn time...but most of them probably couldn't even begin to handle that job. He may have failed in comparison to others before him, but I don't believe for a second that all these people complaining about him could do any better. I mean, we have these hollywood movie stars threatening to LEAVE the country over him. There is no f*cking way that they could magically fix everything up.
Does that mean that people should simply stop judging things? I really don't think so. I mean, people become REALLY passionate about their hobbies. Sports fans go absolutely crazy over team performances and what not. It's a HUGE deal to them. We're game fans (seriously), so we tend to go overboard sometimes JUST LIKE the fans and critics of many other things.
I really don't think it is justified, I suppose, but really, it's not as if this is something that "game nerds" only take part in. Critiques of this level are everywhere, everyday (and often MUCH harsher). I don't disagree with you, necessarily, but that IS the reality of all forms of expression.
KingJ2002 said:
Not even close. The grass in NFL 2K5 is pretty piss poor. NCAA 06 had the closest thing to "grass" this year and the Midway Blitz games had the best football grass this generation. Of course the angle a screenshot is taken makes a big difference. Fever was much better then Madden and ESPN in this department also.
ESPN 2K5 grass craptacular (a game I adore)
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Mrbob said:
Good point. As I said before I tend to take it easy on screenshots because they have no context (i.e no sense of animation, frame rate, etc.) I have no doubt that this will look better than NFL 2k5, but I still think that we will see a huge jump in player models, texturing, etc., in Madden 2007. The saving grace here is the 720p resolution, but I'm not sure that's going to be worth 59.99.
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nathkenn said:
Oh no, you di'nt!
Youre in trouble now. I advise you to change your username and from now on say you jockey a register at Wal-mart for a living 1000 miles away from any EA headquarters. It will help you avoid the forthcoming MGS lynchmob.
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You think EA fuckin cares this game looks like crap. Man, they know this looks like crap.
But hey, look at us--no competition + exclusive lisence + dumb rabid fanboys who pay 50 dollars for a roster update = 6 million units in sales.
EA for the win.
As for natekenn, you're one developer among the dozens and dozens that worked on this title. The game looking ugly as hell (and quite possibly this worst shit on 360) isn't your fault. Making a game is team, there is no "I" in team alright! *gets shot by GAF*
But hey, look at us--no competition + exclusive lisence + dumb rabid fanboys who pay 50 dollars for a roster update = 6 million units in sales.
EA for the win.
As for natekenn, you're one developer among the dozens and dozens that worked on this title. The game looking ugly as hell (and quite possibly this worst shit on 360) isn't your fault. Making a game is team, there is no "I" in team alright! *gets shot by GAF*
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You know...I can deal with shitty lighting....I can deal with the crappy animations...but why does every character by default seem to have their shoulder bent in? EVERY ONE. It's like every player has major back problems...
ToD_ said:
You didn't post anything in this thread, and looking at your post history you don't post much and are usually helpful. Obviously I'm not referring to you, and in fact it's posters like you that make me like this place. Unfortunately, the cool posters like nathkenn, Stinkles, BlimBlim, Vennt, Panajev, antipode, faf, SteveMeister, GoFreak, DCharlie, etc are being drowned out by the unbelievable crap spewed by the trolls. My fear is that THEY will drive the cool posters away, maybe somewhere else, maybe into lurking, I don't know.
Heh, those guys are at the top of the industry right now (well, up there with the best). They have a massive budget and a super talented team. It may seem unfair for people to give them faith, but really, they've delivered on the visual front every single time. They've never shown us fake media. MGS2 and 3 both improved quite a bit from initial trailers to final release.
I think they have some pretty serious advantages over your average software house. Not suggesting that you're bashing them either, just that they've earned blind faith by this point.
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Just like with everything else. How many people actually played NFL2K5 and didn't just Google or Gameranking those pics of 2K5. Little do people know, it was supposed to run at 720p. I'm not the biggest EA fan in the world. Most of these pics I see from the 2K5 game were the 720p pics. Now, with that out of the way. Is this underwhelming? Depends. Going according to the render, yes, I can agree with that. Or, taking into consideration they are making current gen in addition to this, and you can see a distinct difference regardless. If that is the case, then it is what I expected. People shitted on Rare and PD0, look now. I don't expect target render, but from what they are saying in this thread, expect better than what you see now.
PhatSaqs said:
lol I'm not bashing MGS it's one of my favorite games of all time, konami is amazing, I did a damn report on them in college. I imagine kojima team will excede any renders they show with ease, but they are just nuts.
and damn after seeing those direct feed shots they look more like realtime now
I swear Westbrooks jersey looks like it was run through the plastic wrap filter in Photoshop :lolIamthegamer said:
You know...I can deal with shitty lighting....I can deal with the crappy animations...but why does every character by default seem to have their shoulder bent in? EVERY ONE. It's like every player has major back problems...
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dark10x said:
Excellent post. I agree with everything you said, Except the Uwe Boll part. A home video of my cat covering over his poo in the litter box would be a better movie than anything he has made thus far.
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dark10x said:
Agent Icebeezy said:
Close but no cigar. It was ESPN 2K4 (or simply named ESPN NFL Football) that was supposed to be in 720p. It had 720p on the box and the beta versions sent out before the game went gold were in 720p.
The 2K5 game was built off the Xbox as the lead SKU but there was never any mention that it would come out in 720p. If 2K4 was not able to pass certification at 720p then there was no way VC could pull that off with 2K5.
Iamthegamer said:
You know...I can deal with shitty lighting....I can deal with the crappy animations...but why does every character by default seem to have their shoulder bent in? EVERY ONE. It's like every player has major back problems...
Have you ever watched a game of football in your life? Players don't stand on their heads before the ball is snapped.
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Agent Icebeezy said:
dark10x said:
I totally agree with you and I'm just trying to get it back into the realm of reasonableness and sanity. I think it's incredibly dangerous to the industry as a whole, as well as doing a disservice to THEMSELVES to be overly critical. People stop enjoying the game, sport, movie, politics whatever and just start looking for something to bash, it's terrible.
And I know how you are, you're one of the biggest graphic whores on the entire board, the difference between you and these other bastards that piss me off, is that yours is a positive passion that's not mean spirited. You provide incredibly intelligent and well thought out posts, that serve as excellent constructive criticism for the game at hand. I don't agree a lot of the times at the level of your criticisms (especially 60fps vs 30fps
) but you respect the subject manner and provide some interesting reading.SpeedingUptoStop
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Agent Icebeezy said:QFT. Lions =dark10x said:
You mean the bump on McNabb's back? That's where Chad sucker-punched him this week.Iamthegamer said:
You know...I can deal with shitty lighting....I can deal with the crappy animations...but why does every character by default seem to have their shoulder bent in? EVERY ONE. It's like every player has major back problems...
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If this had a better lighting model and crisper textures, it would look amazing. Somebody else already mentioned that, but I thought it was worth repeating.
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i personally think it looks good, and believe it will look a lot better once its in my hands. The one question I have is what gameplay improvements will be made? nathan just wondering if you could tell me animation wise is there still that stupid delay between pressing hit stick and when it actually does it?
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I don't want to believe.
I just read this thread and I can't believe the shit you guys are giving Nathkenn. Yes, he said he thought it would look better in motion, but that's subjective and he still feels that way. You douchebags are blaming shitty screenshots on a guy who's in charge of stadiums (and only some of them). I can only conclude that you're little fucking kids that think it's cool to bash Nathkenn cause other people are doing it or you're devoid of any fucking common sense and actually think these screens are the fault of one person. You don't need to look any further than the current-gen Madden to see that Tiburon isn't a graphical powerhouse, Madden has always been known for gameplay and has been inferior in the graphics dept. since as long as I can rememeber. Compound that with trying to get the game out for a sysatem launch and you get these screens. Why don't some of you use common fucking sense and reasoning instead of taking out your anger on a guy who has nothing to do with what you're seeing.
newsguy said:
I can understand being pissed at people bashing Nathkenn, thats just stupid ganging up on one guy.
As for you saying EA is not known for their graphics, well what the fuck Am I paying $60 for? What am I buying a $400 console for? Dont try to do damage control on the graphics.
DaddyZ said:
:lol If you're buying the console for Madden... don't, simple as that! Why would I need to damage control, since when is any Madden known for being a good game graphically? Next-gen consoles won't magically make developers better at making games look good. If their games looked good this generation then I would be baffled at these screens, but Madden 2006 looks like a jagged mess on my TV. Big shocker that MGS4 looks like hot shit? Nope, everyone knew Kojima's guys would do it BECAUSE THEY ALWAYS HAVE. Fight Night looks fucking great, no big deal because so did the FN on current gen consoles. You get my point (I hope).
EDIT: With all that said I still think the game will look better than these screens when it's on an HDTV in someone's living room.
It must be said though.. the stadiums look incredible. Impressive job.nathkenn said:lol I'm not bashing MGS it's one of my favorite games of all time, konami is amazing, I did a damn report on them in college. I imagine kojima team will excede any renders they show with ease, but they are just nuts.
and damn after seeing those direct feed shots they look more like realtime now
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Ninja Scooter said:don't blame EA, blame Microsoft for not delivering with a powerful enough system to handle Electronic Art's vision. I'll wait for Madden PS3, thank you very much.
THANK YOU GODS AT SONY!
You must be kidding right. If that's not trolling I don't know what is. (Other games clearly show that you're talking out of you anal aperture.)
EA has always been subpar in the graphics department and it doesn't seem to be changing any time soon. Nevertheless I'm sure the game will look much better by the time of release.
its like doa4 all over again for me. it looks good. the backgrounds look good. i'm sure it looks nice on a HDTV in person. there is just one thing its lacking, some god damn self-shadowing.
once again, that alone would make a HUGE improvement
once again, that alone would make a HUGE improvement
No.DopeyFish said:
That is absolutely not how the Microsoft submission schedule is set up. For that matter, you'd be hard pressed to see any of the 3 console manufacturers pass a 3rd party game that's gone gold, put it through internal testing, pressing, manufacturing and then get it on store shelves in three weeks.
Seriously man - you've provided me (and a good chunk of the forum, I imagine) an inordinate amount of entertainment today...but that's a piece of misinformation that I won't let slide from you.
Now, in regards to my man nathkenn who's receiving a lot of heat - keep your head up, man. Regardless of how people feel about the legitimacy of the screenshots and any potential misrepresentation, it's not easy to get busted on in this forum when it's your work. Just take it in stride and never take it personally. I sure as hell don't.
m0dus said:
Hypocrisy is the greatest luxurym0dus said:
Raise the double standard
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Agent Icebeezy said:
dark10x said:
Iamthegamer said:Agent Icebeezy said:QFT. Lions =
My LORD. Look at all us Lion fans here. Time to start a new thread. Xtreme GAF Lion Fanbois. Without Madden or 2K, the Lions would never play in their own Super Bowl.