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[charlequin]

Game's still not up. Hopefully the download will be working soonish.

So, as someone who *very* briefly touched Magic *years* ago (playing a demo of one of the first PC titles)... any idea if this will be any good as an entry-level experience.

It's built explicitly to be an entry-level experience.

I hope they have DLC.

The game's developers announced that they built in hooks for a variety of other mechanics and cards not seen in this release under the assumption that they'd be following up with possible DLC.

 

[giant_frying_pan]

And a WotC rep on the official forum mentioned a while ago that there would/could be card expansions.

I think it's a nice change from MTG Online to have set clusters of cards, although hopefully full deck building will be added later. It may be a deliberate move to keep that as a 'selling point' for the MTG:O platform.

 

[AstroLad]

yeah i'll give it a shot. don't have time/enough nerds constantly hanging around for real magic but the gameplay is solid so yeah.

i hope they do netrunner next

 

[LuCkymoON]

I haven´t played Magic for at least 15 years. Have there been any rule changes, or will I be able to pick this up and play right away?

I think the biggest rule change is the Legend rule, all thanks to my favorite card Akroma: The Angle of Wrath

2. The legend rule has changed. The new rule is as follows:

420.5e If two or more permanents with the same name have the supertype legendary, all are put into their owners' graveyards. This is called the "legend rule." If only one of those permanents is legendary, this rule doesn't apply.

I kinda hate/like the new rule.

 

[Acidote]

I learnt it well with a crappy deck I made with two Gerrard Capashen to play with a starting friend :lol

 

[Llyranor]

What's 'vigilance'? That one's new to me.

 

[kuYuri]

What's 'vigilance'? That one's new to me.

Attacking doesn't cause the attacker to tap has been named Vigilance.

 

[Acidote]

So new prints of Serra Angel have "Vigilance"?

 

[kuYuri]

So new prints of Serra Angel have "Vigilance"?

Looks like it.

 

[Acidote]

I like the classic art most, although the "new" one is great too.

 

[Giard]

Can someone confirm the land tapping issue?
I have lots of doubts about the deck customization as well..

 

[Ronabo]

I'd love to try this game out before the night is over. Probably won't be able to.

 

[Acidote]

Lots of things have changed since I last played early on Apocalypse release.

 

[Technosteve]

so if i said i stopped playing at the ice age expansion set will everything be new to me?

 

[Artadius]

so if i said i stopped playing at the ice age expansion set will everything be new to me?

Thats nothing, I started during Unlimited / Arabian Nights and stopped right after Legends.

I played some more on the Microprose / Shandalar PC game... but that's the extent of my experience.

 

[Daigoro]

ive never really played any CCGs, but im interested in this.

ill check back and see how you guys like it.

 

[Fragamemnon]

Can someone confirm the land tapping issue?
I have lots of doubts about the deck customization as well..

you don't choose which lands to tap to play cards, you pick the card you want to play and the game taps the land for you. They are all basic lands from my understanding anyway so it's not like there is a lot of tactical decision making is lost in the process.

Deck customization is interesting, from what I understand-each deck has a "core" set of cards and you will always have that core set of cards in your deck if you are playing with that planeswalker avatar. The 'non-core' cards can be replaced by others though. At least that's how I understand it works.

Sarkhan's deck has Broodmate Dragon, Flameblast Dragon, and Hellkite Overlord, so I'm hoping I can splice in some of the ramp and fixing from from Garruk's and Nissa's deck and just crush people with it but it's likely that I won't be able to get Civic Wayfinder/Rampant Growth/Farhaven Elf in.

Some deck info here:

http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Digital/DuelsOfThePlaneswalkers.aspx?x=mtg/digital/dotp/miniguides

whine at Jace not getting something absurd to play. What better way to introduce someone to blue than by giving them a completely broken instant or sorcery?

 

[MotherFan]

Can someone confirm the land tapping issue?
I have lots of doubts about the deck customization as well..

This. Someone do it please. What's this core deck and can you make a totally customizable deck?

 

[MotherFan]

you don't choose which lands to tap to play cards, you pick the card you want to play and the game taps the land for you. They are all basic lands from my understanding anyway so it's not like there is a lot of tactical decision making is lost in the process.

Deck customization is interesting, from what I understand-each deck has a "core" set of cards and you will always have that core set of cards in your deck if you are playing with that planeswalker avatar. The 'non-core' cards can be replaced by others though. At least that's how I understand it works.

Sarkhan's deck has Broodmate Dragon, Flameblast Dragon, and Hellkite Overlord, so I'm hoping I can splice in some of the ramp and fixing from from Garruk's and Nissa's deck and just crush people with it but it's likely that I won't be able to get Civic Wayfinder/Rampant Growth/Farhaven Elf in.

Some deck info here:

http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Digital/DuelsOfThePlaneswalkers.aspx?x=mtg/digital/dotp/miniguides

whine at Jace not getting something absurd to play. What better way to introduce someone to blue than by giving them a completely broken instant or sorcery?

No buy

 

[sonicmj1]

Are the downloads still borked?

I'd really like to try this game out.

 

[Giard]

No buy

Same here...

 

[alisdair]

I just tried to download the trial again, fails at 1%.

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

Man, I don't know. To a knewb like me, all that sounds pretty fucking cool.

 

[Panajev2001a]

Wow, well... I am sure there will be request for this virtual item DLC...

.

 

[Spire]

So is this like MGO only not shit? I started playing about the time Invasion came out and stopped a month or so after Torment was released. The Invasion block was fucking sex in my mouth, going to FNM and the Regionals in Dallas was some of the most fun I've ever had. I'd like to start playing again but all of my friends moved away, they shut the FNM here down and MGO is total ass, plus I hear mixed things on the new sets and rules. I don't know, I'll give this is a shot. A good online version of MtG would totally dominate my life.

 

[Eggo]

I haven´t played Magic for at least 15 years. Have there been any rule changes, or will I be able to pick this up and play right away?

I was in the same boat as you. I stopped playing around Visions... so about 12 years ago. I played this game a while back, and I loved it. I did have to look up a few abilities that I didn't know on wikipedia or google. Other than that, the game was easily accessible and very familiar to a hard-core player of MtG. I also like that the artwork for the cards is larger than in real life, since it can zoom up to full screen on an HDTV.

Can someone confirm the land tapping issue?
I have lots of doubts about the deck customization as well..

It's true, the game taps land automatically. Yet, in the time I played it, it never tapped the wrong land so I couldn't cast a follow-up card that turn. I think the AI is intelligent enough that it was never a problem.

Deck customization is my only real gripe with this game. You can't modify/remove cards from the main deck. You can add cards from the sideboard, which is tied to the deck, but you can't touch the main deck. I wanted to add sideboard cards, and then remove cards from the main deck so I had a lean, mean 40 card deck of awesomeness. Instead, I have like a 55 card deck with all the sideboard cards.

 

[Spire]

you don't choose which lands to tap to play cards, you pick the card you want to play and the game taps the land for you. They are all basic lands from my understanding anyway so it's not like there is a lot of tactical decision making is lost in the process.

Deck customization is interesting, from what I understand-each deck has a "core" set of cards and you will always have that core set of cards in your deck if you are playing with that planeswalker avatar. The 'non-core' cards can be replaced by others though. At least that's how I understand it works.

Sarkhan's deck has Broodmate Dragon, Flameblast Dragon, and Hellkite Overlord, so I'm hoping I can splice in some of the ramp and fixing from from Garruk's and Nissa's deck and just crush people with it but it's likely that I won't be able to get Civic Wayfinder/Rampant Growth/Farhaven Elf in.

Some deck info here:

http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Digital/DuelsOfThePlaneswalkers.aspx?x=mtg/digital/dotp/miniguides

whine at Jace not getting something absurd to play. What better way to introduce someone to blue than by giving them a completely broken instant or sorcery?

Only basic lands? WTF? Do the sets you unlock not have non-basic lands in them? I want my dual lands and painlands dammit. The deck building limitations bum me out but it's not a game-breaker. If this is successful I would guess they would let you buy a "blank deck" and just let you build whatever you want. Still, can't wait to try it.

 

[MotherFan]

So is this like MGO only not shit? I started playing about the time Invasion came out and stopped a month or so after Torment was released. The Invasion block was fucking sex in my mouth, going to FNM and the Regionals in Dallas was some of the most fun I've ever had. I'd like to start playing again but all of my friends moved away, they shut the FNM here down and MGO is total ass, plus I hear mixed things on the new sets and rules. I don't know, I'll give this is a shot. A good online version of MtG would totally dominate my life.

How does MGO work? And I had a MTG pc game a long time ago that was awesome, too bad the online didnt work well for me. Could make any damn deck you wanted from pre ice age and homelands cards.

 

[sega4ever]

be sure to claim your free card, if you decide to sell it this game pays for itself and then some.

http://www.wizards.com/magic/digital/duelsoftheplaneswalkers.aspx?x=mtg/digital/dotp/claim

 

[Spire]

How does MGO work? And I had a MTG pc game a long time ago that was awesome, too bad the online didnt work well for me. Could make any damn deck you wanted from pre ice age and homelands cards.

It's basically just like playing actual Magic. You can buy and trade cards and play against others, and they hold tournies and stuff. The problem is that, just like real Magic, it's expensive as fuck ($4 for a booster pack, for example) and the UI is fucking terrible. It has all kinds of technical issues and, yeah, it's just a mess.

Also, has anyone been able to download this? I just tried and it kept giving me an error message, now it says the whole thing is unavailable.

 

[Timedog]

I have never, NOT ONCE, seen a normal looking human being playing MTG in real life. I may however still purchase this game cause it seems like it could be fun.

 

[Bii]

Also, has anyone been able to download this? I just tried and it kept giving me an error message, now it says the whole thing is unavailable.

I'm getting the same error message.

"Can't retrieve information from Xbox LIVE. Please try again later.

Status code: 801553b2"

 

[Giard]

I have never, NOT ONCE, seen a normal looking human being playing MTG in real life. I may however still purchase this game cause it seems like it could be fun.

That's one of the reasons I stopped playing. :lol That, and the price of cards.
(I think I look pretty normal though)

Deck customization is my only real gripe with this game. You can't modify/remove cards from the main deck. You can add cards from the sideboard, which is tied to the deck, but you can't touch the main deck. I wanted to add sideboard cards, and then remove cards from the main deck so I had a lean, mean 40 card deck of awesomeness. Instead, I have like a 55 card deck with all the sideboard cards.

Why the hell would they do that..?
Worst decision ever. Maybe it's more user-friendly, but talk about a punch in the balls for experienced players. And I believe experienced players are, or were, more interested by this than someone who has never played before.

 

[Annihilator]

I have never, NOT ONCE, seen a normal looking human being playing MTG in real life. I may however still purchase this game cause it seems like it could be fun.

Weird. I have seen a lot of "normal" people playing it. Wives, Families, Good Jobs. Though I have certainly seen goofy people as well.

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

Why the hell would they do that..?
Worst decision ever. Maybe it's more user-friendly, but talk about a punch in the balls for experienced players. And I believe experienced players are, or were, more interested by this than someone who has never played before.

I can't imagine I'm a rarity. Someone who's always been interested in CCGs but unable to really devote the time and investment in it. This seems like the perfect solution, to me at least.

 

[MotherFan]

It's basically just like playing actual Magic. You can buy and trade cards and play against others, and they hold tournies and stuff. The problem is that, just like real Magic, it's expensive as fuck ($4 for a booster pack, for example) and the UI is fucking terrible. It has all kinds of technical issues and, yeah, it's just a mess.
.

Jesus why the hell would you pay to play magic with digital cards that cost the same as the real ones? This makes no sense.

I guess we won't get a game then that has full content single player and a multiplayer that gives you basically all the cards from the past to the future.

I would pay for DLC that gave you a whole set (like ice age) but boosters? Fuck that shit.

 

[Ice Monkey]

people, dont have any doubts about the weird stories you read here, apparently they're all true. Automatically tapping lands, NO COMPLICATED CARDS = everyone has grizzly bears and savannah lions, and you get 8 decks that you can customize a maximum of like 17-20 cards in each and you must always use 20 lands no matter what.

This is not magic like you remember it or know it to be now. This is just a game built using magic's rules and a collection of the most casual cards in the game with retarded restrictions meant to get you to go buy your own cards or waste money on digital product on mtg online.

On one hand I understand it because it keeps certain decks from dominating the game, but on the other hand ITS A GAME and there arent prizes to be won, only e-peens so why the hell wouldnt they put in core and whatever other sets are in standard right now and let everyone go to town.

I'm surprised microsoft didnt convince them to do it, can you imagine actual magic players at tournaments testing decks at home using the friggin xbox 360, basically a ten dollar xbla game being used as a serious tool for deckbuilding?

MTGO wouldnt even be affected because you can still do drafts and win tournaments and have many more cards available and have some semblance of an online version of the card collection aspect, while this would be the official version with pretty graphics of apprentice or magic workstation...

 

[charlequin]

Man, I don't know. To a knewb like me, all that sounds pretty fucking cool.

It is cool.

Guys, this isn't supposed to be an exact translation of MTG into video game form, like MTGO or the old Shandalar game -- it's an "arcade-style" take on the game, designed to play quickly and smoothly.

You really shouldn't skip it just 'cuz of the lands thing. At least try the demo, guys!

 

[Justin]

Someone who's always been interested in CCGs but unable to really devote the time and investment in it. This seems like the perfect solution, to me at least.

You should check out these then

http://www.boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/36218

http://www.boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/28143

http://www.boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/40270

http://www.boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/39953


Dominion is my favorite. Here is a quick overview of it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ENs...03E4FD7C&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=14

 

[Phreaker]

Hopefully it will be up within an hour.

# Marketplace issues - the issue is understood, however the resolution is complicated. While I have seen some great suggestions in the blog about how to quickly resolve this, we are having to do this in a rather time intensive way. I know I am taking a big risk in this crowd by suggesting an ETA, but we are reasonably confident we will have this working within about 2 hours, so by 8:45pm Pacific.

from: http://blogs.msdn.com/xblops/default.aspx

 

[Spire]

people, dont have any doubts about the weird stories you read here, apparently they're all true. Automatically tapping lands, NO COMPLICATED CARDS = everyone has grizzly bears and savannah lions, and you get 8 decks that you can customize a maximum of like 17-20 cards in each and you must always use 20 lands no matter what.

This is not magic like you remember it or know it to be now. This is just a game built using magic's rules and a collection of the most casual cards in the game with retarded restrictions meant to get you to go buy your own cards or waste money on digital product on mtg online.

On one hand I understand it because it keeps certain decks from dominating the game, but on the other hand ITS A GAME and there arent prizes to be won, only e-peens so why the hell wouldnt they put in core and whatever other sets are in standard right now and let everyone go to town.

I'm surprised microsoft didnt convince them to do it, can you imagine actual magic players at tournaments testing decks at home using the friggin xbox 360, basically a ten dollar xbla game being used as a serious tool for deckbuilding?

MTGO wouldnt even be affected because you can still do drafts and win tournaments and have many more cards available and have some semblance of an online version of the card collection aspect, while this would be the official version with pretty graphics of apprentice or magic workstation...

The official FAQ said you unlock new cards by beating other players, and that they have cards from every set dating back to Invasion. The limitations right now are kinda disappointing, but I really think they'll open it up eventually.

 

[UraMallas]

Well, when they open it up a bit I'm definitely in. But reading over what we can do right now limits me a bit too much for my tastes. I'll keep checking this thread in hopes of new cards and features but I won't hold my breath.

 

[sonicmj1]

I'm surprised microsoft didnt convince them to do it, can you imagine actual magic players at tournaments testing decks at home using the friggin xbox 360, basically a ten dollar xbla game being used as a serious tool for deckbuilding?

MTGO wouldnt even be affected because you can still do drafts and win tournaments and have many more cards available and have some semblance of an online version of the card collection aspect, while this would be the official version with pretty graphics of apprentice or magic workstation...

I think that would be smart. Wizards doesn't seem to share that view.

Right now, a lot of people use MTGO as their serious tool for deckbuilding and playtesting. That means they're essentially purchasing tournament decks twice.

Wizards doesn't want to eat into that money pot.

 

[AstroLad]

You should check out these then

Dominion and Race for the Galaxy; so awesome.

 

[Phreaker]

It's up. GO GO NOW!

 

[Ice Monkey]

The official FAQ said you unlock new cards by beating other players, and that they have cards from every set dating back to Invasion. The limitations right now are kinda disappointing, but I really think they'll open it up eventually.

This would be awesome if it was true, but they've been including at least one card from every set in the core set if i recall correctly, so this could just mean that their watered-down core set "technically" includes sets from invasion.

 

[RevenantKioku]

Jesus why the hell would you pay to play magic with digital cards that cost the same as the real ones? This makes no sense.

Being able to practice drafting any time of day is the biggest draw as far as I understand it. While you could just buy and play in MTGO, limited is basically the way to go for getting your cards as I see it.
This tempts me in a very bad way, by the way.

 

[Spire]

This would be awesome if it was true, but they've been including at least one card from every set in the core set if i recall correctly, so this could just mean that their watered-down core set "technically" includes sets from invasion.

Yeah. I know you get new cards by beating people, but I guess we'll just have to wait and see if any of them are stuff beyond the core-set crap. I was really looking forward to slapping Armadillo Cloak on a Spiritmonger and raping faces.

 

[Ri'Orius]

Jesus why the hell would you pay to play magic with digital cards that cost the same as the real ones? This makes no sense.

For the same reasons that people spend that same amount of money on pieces of cardboard with some paint on them:

-Access to tournaments (MTGO totally wins in this respect, by the way--drafts and tournaments going on more or less 24/7)

-Easy access to players (if you want, you could use Apprentice or print out your own cards, but it's easier to find people who will play with you if you play by the rules)

-Because the cards (digital or cardboard) have value in that other people are willing to pay for them.

Again, just to make this clear: the "real ones" are still just cardboard. This distinction between "real" cards and digital cards is petty.

Furthermore, WotC doesn't want to give people a cheaper way to play full-on Magic, since then people would play that way instead of regular Magic. MTGO was designed to be full-on Magic, so it's priced accordingly. This XBLA game was designed to be a watered-down, faster-paced, newbie-friendly version, so it can be priced differently.

 

[shoplifter]

Hrm - its trying to charge me points again after I already paid for it before all of the 'not available' debacle. Lovely.