-
Hey Guest. Check out your NeoGAF Wrapped 2025 results here!
Magic: The Gathering |OT|
- Thread starter The Technomancer
- Start date
- Status
OneEightZero
aka ThreeOneFour
I was hoping for some sort of mechanic that would remove poison counters from a player (Heal? Purify?) that was related to the Mirrans. With only 10% of the set devoted to the Mirrans, I doubt we'll get a mechanic like that.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Well it was a conscious decision because if you can remove Poison Counters then they literally just become a second life total.rayner said:
This:Zaraki_Kenpachi said:
Atreides said:
For an in-depth explanation, you can look here:
http://www.wizards.com/ContentResources/Wizards/WPN/Main/Documents/Magic_The_Gathering_Tournament_Rules_PDF2.pdf (Section 3.1 and appendix D).
If real, some of those cards are pretty nasty. I can see some great combos. I'm definitely building a deck around scrapmetal fiend using mishra's baubles, urza's baubles, and various other similar cards. Potential first turn fatty.
Fresh meat could be naaaaasty too, great counter to a WOG.
Also there is a card there that removes infect counters from creatures, but yeah, nothing to remove them from a player.
Fresh meat could be naaaaasty too, great counter to a WOG.
Also there is a card there that removes infect counters from creatures, but yeah, nothing to remove them from a player.
That Hex Parasite looks like a really good way to neutralize PWs, too. 2 life/B and x to remove counters and for it to grow! Sick art! Looks like a Phyrexian Memnite (maybe it is, actually).siddx said:
That Phyrexian Cancellor is an asshole. I hope he's the pre-release promo, because I sure as hell am not going to pay the ridiculous prices people will inevitably demand.
Takuan said:
The parasite was the card we were talking about. Sorry I didn't name it. Couldn't remember exactly what its translation was.
Cancellor may have high prices to start with, but I doubt they'll stick unless it somehow ends up seeing play at tourneys. You might even be able to make a profit selling any you get come pre/release and then buying them down the line.
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
I'll admit ignorance to most of what's going on with the new stuff, but what is coming out looks pretty sweet.
Looking at the wiki, I have a questions. Where does M11/M10 etc fit in, block wise? I mean, this is the 3rd set in the Scars block, right? So what block do those fit in with?
I'm jonsing for that caged sun already. Glad I preordered my box already.
Looking at the wiki, I have a questions. Where does M11/M10 etc fit in, block wise? I mean, this is the 3rd set in the Scars block, right? So what block do those fit in with?
I'm jonsing for that caged sun already. Glad I preordered my box already.
OneEightZero
aka ThreeOneFour
There would have to be some sort of disadvantage for using the mechanic, similar to Leeches.The_Technomancer said:
Remove all poison counters from target player.
Target player skips his next turn.
or...
Target player gains 1 poison counter during his or her upkeep.
or...
Target player exiles all copies of Purify. (Or whatever it's called.)
Something like that. ^_^
Woops, I misinterpreted the post, never mind.traveler said:
I think you're generally right about selling early and selling later, but cards can skyrocket once they start showing up in tourney finalists' decks as you've pointed out. Looking at the spoiled cards (and assume the translations are legit), BU is looking more viable in competition, and the Canceler could be a staple creature at the 4-spot. But I hope you're right. When I think about it, the only creatures that cost stupid money are Vengevine and certain Titans; generally, cards with recursion or ramp effects. Negator's BBBB cost might annoy some, and like 99% of creatures, he's vulnerable to removal. I hope you're right so I can buy a playset for about $20. Dat flava, mang.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
There are four sets a year. The three block sets come out in Fall, Winter, and Spring (roughly) the core set comes out every Summer.WanderingWind said:
They used to do the core set only every other year, and the Summer set would be weird stuff like Coldsnap, or the 2-2 Lorwyn block structure, but now its M11, M12, M13, etc
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
So, in other words, new cards come out every season (roughly). The M whatevers are not necessarily all new stuff though, which explains a lot.
This hobby can get...expensive.
This hobby can get...expensive.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Yeah, the core sets (Eighth Edition, Ninth Edition, Tenth Edition etc) were 100% reprints for the longest time. But in 2009 they decided to start including some new cards in M10 going forward. The M series core sets are still far far more reprint heavy then normal Block sets though.WanderingWind said:
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Remember, there are also lots of cheap answersTakuan said:
In a world without Cancel, Naturalize, Oblivion Ring or Doom Blade I'd be more in agreement with you.
I'm a little concerned. Years ago (around Time Spiral IIRC) they said specifically that creatures had been vastly underpowered since the inception of the game, and that they wanted to push towards better creatures because a complex board state makes for interesting choices. I agreed with them then, and still do now, but I worry they might be getting a little out of control.WanderingWind said:
We'll see what they do with Innistrad. A lot of the current power creep perception I think comes from being so fresh off of Eldrazi
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
Takuan said:
Power creep kills a lot of things. I think the constant refreshing of the cards (and the fact that they can just ban shit at will) will save MTG. But yeah. The shit is downright silly compared to back in the day.
I look at Black Lotus, and it's powerful, for sure. But something like Grave Titan would've been banned back in the day. Armored Ascension? That would have won any game when Giant Spiders were the best defense against flying and Giant Growths were fuckawesome.
Caged Sun seems like a more expensive version of Gauntlet of Power, with the only difference being caged only affects your mana. Still would rather go with GOP personally, although caged sun is going right into my edh decks that run gauntlets.
edit: Black Lotus is OBSCENELY overpowered. Imagine pulling a black lotus, dark ritual, and say a lotus petal turn one. Thats 7 fucking mana on your first turn. Even if you only get a black lotus, having access to 4 mana on turn one is just insane.
edit: Black Lotus is OBSCENELY overpowered. Imagine pulling a black lotus, dark ritual, and say a lotus petal turn one. Thats 7 fucking mana on your first turn. Even if you only get a black lotus, having access to 4 mana on turn one is just insane.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Yeah, I'm not seeing the sun being all that incredible. At 6 mana it basically has to be ramped out to be much good, which probably means green, and green has dozens of other ways to accelerate mana anyway.
I mean, its good, but not busted good.
I mean, its good, but not busted good.
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
The_Technomancer said:
I mean, Annihilator? That's a side effect of some cards that are, even without it, ridiculously powerful. Add the ability to kill permanents just because is crazy to me. I mean, Ulmag's Crusher is a common, right? 8/8 Annihilator 2? I'm guessing Eldrazi is just packed full of stupid powerful creatures like that.
...that'd be a hell of a opening hand.siddx said:
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Yeah, but the way creatures seem overpowered now? Thats how non-creature spells used to be. Even ignoring stuff like Time Walk from the first sets (jesus fuck overpowered) you had stuff like Tolarian Academy ending games in like three turns.WanderingWind said:
The Sun is another EDH tool in the vein of Gauntlet of Power, Gauntlet of Might, Mana Reflection, Extraplanar Lens, and Mirari's Wake. I'd put it below Mirari's Wake and Mana Reflection, but above the rest. It has some really nice benefits that Wake doesn't have (can color fix in different ways, can be run in any deck, cheaper to obtain most likely) but Reflection and Wake will be stronger simply because of their type- enchantments are much harder to deal with than artifacts.
Outside of EDH, though, the Sun won't see any play at all.
Creatures, despite their massive boost in power, still die just as easy. Whether it was Swords to Plowshares, Path to Exile, Condemn, Go for the Throat or even simple counterspells like Mana Leak, the best of creatures have always been combated by the sheer utility of single cards that cost many times less. (Or Wrath variants- which generate massive CA when played correctly)
Outside of EDH, though, the Sun won't see any play at all.
Creatures, despite their massive boost in power, still die just as easy. Whether it was Swords to Plowshares, Path to Exile, Condemn, Go for the Throat or even simple counterspells like Mana Leak, the best of creatures have always been combated by the sheer utility of single cards that cost many times less. (Or Wrath variants- which generate massive CA when played correctly)
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
The_Technomancer said:
Yeah, I guess so. I think that's why I used to play blue. To counter all the retarded fireballs and such.
Oh, remember Flashfire?
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
*twitch* What are you talking about? I don't remember any such cardWanderingWind said:
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
The_Technomancer said:
I'm quite surprised those haven't been out and out banned.
Zaraki_Kenpachi
Member
traveler said:The solution is to kill poison first since it's a subpar strategy anyway.
(outside of limited, that is)
What? Infect is pretty damn good, especially if you make a livewire lash deck.
Atreides said:
Ok.... I give up. I don't understand what broke the tie we both won 4 out of 6 matches so 2 & 3 are equal and I can only assume we have same amount of points. Nvm, it's not a big deal.
I played pack wars at the comic shop and I got a mox opal!
Now I just need 3 more. :/
shoplifter
Member
/sighThe_Technomancer said:
Those were truly the days.
Zaraki_Kenpachi
Member
Is that extra turn card banned in legacy?
Zaraki_Kenpachi
Member
An-Det said:
Figured it had to be. Still crazy they thought that wouldn't be overpowered...
Zaraki_Kenpachi said:
Yes but there are other extra turn cards that are legal, just more expensive or not nearly as good.
Time Sieve
Time Stretch
Time Vault
Time Warp
Beacon of Tomorrows
Capture of Jingzhou
Final Fortune
Last Chance
Lighthouse Chronologist (bust this out in a multiplayer EDH game or Type 4 and watch as you either win the game in the next 5 minutes or get hated on so bad you die during the next turn)
Magistrate's Scepter
Magosi the waterveil
Notorious Throng
Savor the moment
Second Chance
Seedtime
Stitch in time
Temporal Extortion
Temporal Manipulation
Timeshifter
Walk the Aeons
Wanderwine Prophets
Warrior's Oath
Wormfang Manta
shoplifter
Member
Sorry, but I can't help but get a laugh out of "that extra turn card". it still blows my mind that there are new players even after all this time and that the game is this healthy.Zaraki_Kenpachi said:
So, yeah I think I'm going to start playing again. Most likely legacy only, splashing some drafting on the side. Every time i think about getting rid of everything this happens.
Zaraki_Kenpachi
Member
siddx said:
O I know but one and a blue for that is fucking obnoxious.
shoplifter said:
Could only think of time spiral as a name and knew that wasn't it and it's annoying to do stuff on my ipod. :/
Zaraki_Kenpachi
Member
Crap you caught up to me.V_Arnold said:Second Tezzeret here, it starts to feel just about GREAT
Gotta buy more packs. The_Technomancer said:
My fastest win was back in 1995 or so when I was playing Type 1. I won on my opponents 1st main phase. He played a Black Lotus, Mox Jet, Mox Ruby, Sol Ring, Underground Sea... then cast Dark Ritual then Mind Twist me for 8 making me discard my entire hand. I bust out laughing cause I was holding 4 Psychic Purge making him lose 20 life ending the game.
Back then Psychic Purge read: destroy Target Birds of Paradise, Llanowar Elves or deal 5 damage to a player casting Hymn to Tourach. I main-decked it all the time... Hypnotic Specters and random discard were rampant then and so were 1-tougness weenies, like Pump Knights.
I'm picturing you with the Problem?.jpg expression on your face; that must've been really satisfying.rayner said:
So I've been continuing on my singles-purchasing rampage, buying up dual lands now after having more or less locked down enough elves and reliquary knights. Now I'm working on procuring a few Ink-Eyes, and getting playsets of M11/SOM/WW dual lands for decks I'd like to make (essentially every colour combo except RG). Prioritizing the BR duals because I have to make a BR deck that incorporates the Canceler and Lust for War, and if BR becomes competitive they'll double in price.
rayner said:
That is an awesome one. A favorite that I heard was where player A played a turn one Jackel Pup, player B plays a mountain and passes, A plays 2 more Jackel Pups, then B uses Firestorm for 5 (targeting the 3 pups and each player) to deal 20 damage. I wish I could have seen the look on A's face.
OneEightZero
aka ThreeOneFour
- Status