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Duuudes, first FNM and it was all kins of awesome.
Tourny here was 4 rounds, then best of 4 (because of schedule and number of people and etc); so, I went 2-1; 0-2; 1-2; 2-1; which felt great results considering I'm so noobish and my deck is so cheap.
First guy, I don't actually remember what it was all about, seems like forever ago; I *think* he was black/blue control. First game sucked because he had to mulligan a hand with 5 card, then had trouble with mana, so I just stomped him because I was the only one playing. Second game I had what seemed like all the types of titans in the world and they just laughed at me, third game I don't really remember, but I think that the plan simply worked. Cheap infect creatures came in, control stopped attempts of dealing with them, 10 poison counters later and it was over.
Second dude has a birthpod deck; first game I got him to 9 poison counters, then he did a wrath of god and the game still lasted some 5 or 6 turns, but he managed to stop me from doing the last tick. Second game, a wurmcoil engine devoured me and it wasn't even funny.
Third dude, against another birthpod deck; he won the first game, I imagine, with a wurmcoil engine; second game, I managed to get a vatmother in with no resistance, afraid to get hit 4 poison a turn, he cloned it with something, I attacked, he defended and we both were left with two 0/1 creatures ticking one poison every turn, in the end I managed to do something to get ahead in the slowest race ever and he lost. Then on the third game he just trampled me with something.
Fourth dude, had a white deck based on gaining life and small creatures, which seemed like a deck created just to lose against a lot of my removals and whose life gains were just ignored because lol poison. He won one game with an early sun titan and some oblivion rings, but that was it, I think I roflstomped him the two matches.

So this was my first ever FNM with the only infect deck of the place. I'm very happy.
 
This weekend is pretty busy. Both Grand Prix Amsterdam and GP Santiago are going, and there is an SCG Open in Baltimore, plus a huge number of PTQ's everywhere; for example, MTGMom just tweeted "Chicago PTQ was at 226 with 8 rounds but one person just joined to bump it to 9 rounds! #ptqchi", and the one in Boston my friends are at is surely going to be similarly long. It's a good weekend for Magic.
 
Question: colorless is the same as artifact? For example, phyrexian rebirth destroy all creatures and put a token X/X colorless creature; can this token be removed by a Go For the Throat?
 
Sblargh said:
Question: colorless is the same as artifact? For example, phyrexian rebirth destroy all creatures and put a token X/X colorless creature; can this token be removed by a Go For the Throat?

Yes it can be targeted by GFtT. Card types are always explicit.
 
Sblargh said:
Question: colorless is the same as artifact? For example, phyrexian rebirth destroy all creatures and put a token X/X colorless creature; can this token be removed by a Go For the Throat?
go for the throat doesn't work on the token. phyrexian rebirth creatures a colorless artifact creature. go for the throat works on nonartifact creatures
maybe you're thinking doomblade? doomblade can kill it because it's nonblack
 
Ouch. Went 2-4 at FNM last night. Two of my games were against probably one of my worst match-ups, G/W Tokens. And another loss was against the most bullshit U/B Control deck. He basically didn't allow me to do anything at all for either round. Was a lot of fun, but damn I had some poor match-ups :(

That being said I made what is probably one of the best plays I've made in magic ever, against a solar flare deck. I won the first game, he won the second, so standard fare. Put on the early pressure and had him down to 8 health, with no creatures on the field, and only a chandra's phoenix on mine. He tapped out to play a Wurmcoil Engine and passed his turn. Normally not great since I normally don't have a lot of answers to wurmcoil as RDW. But, on my turn I used Traitorous blood on his wurmcoil to swing for the win alongside my phoenix.

My local store is just as cut throat as I remember it being. If you're not running Wolf Run Ramp, Solar Flare, or U/B Control, good luck :(

Still gonna try out my G/W Human deck and my mono-black infect deck when I get them built though. Along the lines of what Sblargh was saying, a lot of people don't have answers to infect right now, which I think will make it a nice "rogue" deck atm.
 
TheSeks said:
Well, I'm more saying that Cockatrice doesn't make them money, so it doesn't evolve/further the game if more people start to use it. Hence, buy a booster randomly and collect or sell the cards off. At least give them some money for R&D and the like.
I use MWS to goldfish and test online. I also use it to play with friends that dont want to spend real money for virtual cards.

Its $4 for virtual packs, crazy. That said, I average 4 drafts a week online and 1-2 offline depending on my schedule.
 
Look at this guy, I wish I could use this deck.
http://www.mtgdecks.net/decks/view/20941

Get a blade splice or wing splice in; shape anew on the token, no other artifacts on the deck, get a 11/11 trample, indestructible, infect colossus in. Oh yeah.
If I were willing to spend some money, I could actually build a version close to it; but alas, not at that point yet. Still, I found the idea great, probably has its flaws, like everything that stops a token to stay on the table long enough to a uncontested shape anew get it, but I can totally see it working, you just need one shot.
 
So yeah, I'm pretty sure Stichers Apprentice is my favorite card in the set. After drafting a U/W/g thing that revolved around using the stitcher and cards like Unruly Mob and Doomed Traveler I think I could actually build something decent for constructed. Maybe throw in a few Perilous Myr. One of those cards like Doubling Season that creates lots of cool and unexpected interactions.
 
The_Technomancer said:
So yeah, I'm pretty sure Stichers Apprentice is my favorite card in the set. After drafting a U/W/g thing that revolved around using the stitcher and cards like Unruly Mob and Doomed Traveler I think I could actually build something decent for constructed. Maybe throw in a few Perilous Myr. One of those cards like Doubling Season that creates lots of cool and unexpected interactions.

Yeah, I saw your game now and then and you were doing some crazy combo. :lol

I'll be posting my deck in the SNM thread to bump it again. Sorry I was really slow and stuff today. A bit of a disappointing turnout and I'm not really much of leader material. :lol
 
oldschoolpinball said:
How many uncommon lands can you out in a deck? Is it any set limit or is it unlimited just like normal land?
All cards except basic lands and relentless rats have a limit of 4 per deck.
 
So- a little different of a question for this thread, but I figured I'd ask. Me and my friends love listening to music while playing Magic. Usually its just some Mix Tapes that I make for our vacations that we take during the summer, but they specifically asked me to make a mix tape for when we play Magic (specifically Commander). What do you guys listen to while playing, if anything? I was thinking maybe more instrumental type music, epic movie scores etc, but is there any songs that just scream M:TG to you guys? Let me know.
 
Anyone else in here play MTGO? I just started today... built myself a cool little Standard White/Green deck that I've had moderate success with. In the process of doing my first draft right now! It's an Innistrad Swiss... first match went 2-0 for my opponent, with a close second game. Hopefully I'll win at least one. : )
 
Say you have a legendary creature out and it is indestructible.

Someone copies the creature, say, with an Evil Twin's ability.

Both are still buried, despite the indestructibility, right?
 
It's a state-base effect, which reads something along the lines of "If two cards with the same name are in play and both are legendaries, put them in their owners' graveyards."
 
Halycon said:
It's a state-base effect, which reads something along the lines of "If two cards with the same name are in play and both are legendaries, put them in their owners' graveyards."

Yup, was just about to post this. They're not destroyed per se, just put into the graveyard.
 
Similar simple rule question.

Phyrexian crusader blocks a 3/3 creature. Because of First Strike and Infect, neither creature would be destroyed and the attacker would be left as a 1/1 correct?
 
Sblargh said:
Damn, I got robbed at FNM. lol

Did you call a judge over? You should from now on, but I hope you didn't in this particular situation. I dislike when judges get basic stuff like this wrong. I ask a lot of questions on here, but I've learned a lot and am getting much better with the rules.

Zerokku said:
Similar simple rule question.

Phyrexian crusader blocks a 3/3 creature. Because of First Strike and Infect, neither creature would be destroyed and the attacker would be left as a 1/1 correct?

Let's see if I can back my post up: You are correct.

If there's no first strike, the 3/3 would still deal 3 damage because the -1/-1 wouldn't take effect until after damage is assigned.

I will await someone to back this up lol
 
Pretty sure I'm reading that right. Next time you face him you should field creatures that only have first strike.

Zerokku said:
Similar simple rule question.

Phyrexian crusader blocks a 3/3 creature. Because of First Strike and Infect, neither creature would be destroyed and the attacker would be left as a 1/1 correct?

I believe so, yes.
 
Sblargh said:
Question:
Creature with first strike attacks creature with deathtouch and kills it. Deathtouch still functions?

Deathtouch requires at least 1 damage to the creature to work. And like Leunam said, he never got a chance to strike back.
 
Phyrexian Crusader will only take 1 damage from a 3/3. The -1/-1 counters will be placed on the creature before it has a chance to deal it's damage.

Unless the 3/3 itself had First Strike.

EDIT: Looks like I was beaten. :P
 
OnPoint said:
Did you call a judge over? You should from now on, but I hope you didn't in this particular situation. I dislike when judges get basic stuff like this wrong. I ask a lot of questions on here, but I've learned a lot and am getting much better with the rules.



Let's see if I can back my post up: You are correct.

If there's no first strike, the 3/3 would still deal 3 damage because the -1/-1 wouldn't take effect until after damage is assigned.

I will await someone to back this up lol

Nah, dude said "it kills it too", I say "wha, I think not", then he argued back and I was like "ah, whatever", wasn't in the mood of starting anything.
But the judge did helped me a lot. I put a corpse cur on the field and the dude killed it with an instant, then the judge pointed to me, I could use its ability to bring itself back from the graveyard to my hand, that was pretty boss.
 
You should call the judges whenever there's a rule conflict. Something like First Strike vs Deathtouch is pretty fucking basic and, assuming he knew what he was doing, it's shitty that he tried to weasel out of it.

Just a general guideline for First Strike:
When a creature with First Strike is blocked by or blocks another creature, there is an extra combat damage phase inserted between declare blockers and the normal combat damage phase. So anything that functions "on hit" will take place during the extra phase, including stuff like infect and deathtouch. If the creature survives at the end of the extra phase, then they go to normal combat damage phase and the non-first striking creature's damage is resolved. Same rules apply to Doublestrike, except the creature with Doublestrike deals damage during the extra phase and the normal phase.
 
Sblargh said:
But the judge did helped me a lot. I put a corpse cur on the field and the dude killed it with an instant, then the judge pointed to me, I could use its ability to bring itself back from the graveyard to my hand, that was pretty boss.

Wait, that can't be right. You target the ability when it comes onto the battlefield which is a time when it pretty clearly isn't in the graveyard. You can't retarget an ability that is already on the stack.
 
marrec said:
Good luck!

First guy I play tonight drops Garruk 3rd Turn, he ramped up.

I still whomped him, Control is so boss in Innistrad.

Thanks! I was so busy this weekend after FNM.

I went 2-3.

My first three games were played using the original deck I posted, full with charmbreakers/devils plays/reverberates. I'm definitely seeing how PAINFUL those are to draw early. I couldn't do enough damage to win early, once the other person got enough mana they were able to stifle everything I did and force me to play defensive, which obviously isn't good for me.

My last two games were after I traded cards between rounds and managed to get rid of most of those cards in favor of the other instants/sorceries. It went much smoother, with a few close calls. The very last game, I won the first round. In the second round he put in an artifact (I can't remember the name) that protects the player and his planeswalkers from being targeted by spells. I literally had no win conditions except if I was somehow able to do damage with Chandra's Phoenix. I played one and he played a card that let him make it so that I couldn't ever play another Chandra's Phoenix, then he oblivion ringed the phoenix and I conceded. The last round I put in manic vandals from my sideboard, but I never ended up needing them, I won in like 7 or 8 turns.

My friend also plays a blue/black/white control deck and I beat him in a casual game, felt pretty good. Also, on that note, like every single person I played except the last guy had blue in their deck, along with dozens of mana leaks and interrupts >:(
 
ultron87 said:
Wait, that can't be right. You target the ability when it comes onto the battlefield which is a time when it pretty clearly isn't in the graveyard. You can't retarget an ability that is already on the stack.
Yeah, ultron is right, you target a creature in the graveyard when the Corpse Cur enters the battlefield.

And never hesitate to call a judge. I have seen many players insist on wrong rulings, whether they've misunderstood, heard it from a friend, or trying to cheat, or whatever. Even if the judge is wrong, its better to defer to him/her then let other players bully you into incorrect rulings.
 
Acullis said:
My last two games were after I traded cards between rounds and managed to get rid of most of those cards in favor of the other instants/sorceries.

Just as a heads up, at most locations I've been to this is frowned upon and usually not allowed period. You play with the deck you started with through the night. At my main FNM location which is a pretty competitive place, I'm sure you would get disqualified for doing that if caught. Making trades is fine, but changing (parts of) the deck you're playing with in the middle of a tournament like that is kinda :/
 
Zerokku said:
Just as a heads up, at most locations I've been to this is frowned upon and usually not allowed period. You play with the deck you started with through the night. At my main FNM location which is a pretty competitive place, I'm sure you would get disqualified for doing that if caught.

Ah shit, I didn't realize that. My friend was with me the whole time and I'm surprised he didn't stop me because he's a veteran. Well I feel bad now >_<
 
Acullis said:
Ah shit, I didn't realize that. My friend was with me the whole time and I'm surprised he didn't stop me because he's a veteran. Well I feel bad now >_<

It depends on your venue really. Just remember that it is technically a tournament so yah.

Nothing wrong with making trades between rounds, hell I built half of my infect deck off of trades on friday haha. Just in general try to not mess with cards in the deck you're playing with until after the event is over.
 
Acullis said:
Ah shit, I didn't realize that. My friend was with me the whole time and I'm surprised he didn't stop me because he's a veteran. Well I feel bad now >_<

You are allowed to have such things in your sideboard to swap into your deck in case a specific need arises. But that has to be a pre-constructed list before you play any matches, so you couldn't include stuff like what you traded for between matches.

Edit: Ah, nevermind. You totally know that based on an earlier post.
 
TerminalDogma said:
So- a little different of a question for this thread, but I figured I'd ask. Me and my friends love listening to music while playing Magic. Usually its just some Mix Tapes that I make for our vacations that we take during the summer, but they specifically asked me to make a mix tape for when we play Magic (specifically Commander). What do you guys listen to while playing, if anything? I was thinking maybe more instrumental type music, epic movie scores etc, but is there any songs that just scream M:TG to you guys? Let me know.
Personally I play di.fm while playing magic with my buddies.whoever wins changes the station :)
 
ultron87 said:
Wait, that can't be right. You target the ability when it comes onto the battlefield which is a time when it pretty clearly isn't in the graveyard. You can't retarget an ability that is already on the stack.

Nobody stopped him. :p
The argument was that the ability hadn't resolved when the guy used the instant.
Like, I summoned, creature touched the table and I could choose a target, but before that, the instant was casted, after that, the ability was "resolved". That's what I understood at least.
Anyway, it was pretty confusing, but there were actually a bunch of people watching the game and they were all nodding affirmatively.
I confess it didn't felt right, but there was a lot of talk about having to wait for an ability to resolve before casting an instant.
 
Sblargh said:
Nobody stopped him. :p
The argument was that the ability hadn't resolved when the guy used the instant.
Like, I summoned, creature touched the table and I could choose a target, but before that, the instant was casted, after that, the ability was "resolved". That's what I understood at least.
I can see that. A lot of the trickier timing slip-ups seem to come from whether or not a legal target is checked on casting vs. resolution. In the case of Corpse Cur, it targets a creature in the graveyard as soon as it enters the battlefield, even though its effect resolves after the opponent's instant would.
Anyway, it was pretty confusing, but there were actually a bunch of people watching the game and they were all nodding affirmatively.
I confess it didn't felt right, but there was a lot of talk about having to wait for an ability to resolve before casting an instant.
Instants can be used in response to creature abilities. The key thing to note is that Corpse Cur selects it target before it would've died.*

*+1 nerd point for referring to a card as a being capable of making decisions. >_>
 
Another question.
I use a Geth's Veredict to make opponent sacrifice a creature; can he turn an inkmoth into a creature after the fact so he can sacrifice it?
 
Sblargh said:
Another question.
I use a Geth's Veredict to make opponent sacrifice a creature; can he turn an inkmoth into a creature after the fact so he can sacrifice it?

Yes. His ability will resolve before Geth's Verdict's, so it makes it a legal target.
 
Sblargh said:
Another question.
I use a Geth's Veredict to make opponent sacrifice a creature; can he turn an inkmoth into a creature after the fact so he can sacrifice it?

Yes, he can respond to your Verdict by activating Inkmoth and may then choose to sacrifice it when Verdict resolves. Similarly, he may play a creature in response and sac that as well.
 
Mentioned the mono-black infect deck I'm building -

Creatures:
4 Plague Stinger
4 Whispering Specter
4 Phyrexian Crusader
3 Skithiryx, the Blight Dragon
2 Phyrexian Metamorph

Spells:
4 Virulent Wound
4 Tezzeret's Gambit
3 Doom Blade
2 Tribute to Hunger
2 Postmortem Lunge

Artifacts:
4 Lashwrithe

Land:
4 Inkmoth Nexus
20 Swamp

Sideboard:
4 Despise
3 Surgical Extraction
3 Sever the Bloodline
2 Phyrexian Vatmother
2 Nihil Spellbomb

How does it look? Thoughts? Seems to be one of those decks that may not be tier 1, but still doing quite well at the moment. And a lot of people aren't prepared for it.
 
Halycon said:
I play MTGO.

Username is halycon.

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Lost every game in last nights draft, but it was still a ton of fun and I got some cool Innistrad cards. Doing another one as I speak, went 1-2 for me in the first round. Awful luck in the two I lost...
 
3 Skittles, 4 lashwrithes, 4 inkmoth nexus. I think it's pretty tier 1. I'm envy. :p
Just have some doubts if too much stuff you have cost life; it's a deck without lifelink and only 2 tribute to hunger, life may be too precious to spend on tezzeret's gambit and the phyrexian metamorphs. I would rather have Sever the Bloodlines on the main deck to just remove any major threat. (and copying minor creature without infect seems pointless)
 
Sblargh said:
Nobody stopped him. :p
The argument was that the ability hadn't resolved when the guy used the instant.
Like, I summoned, creature touched the table and I could choose a target, but before that, the instant was casted, after that, the ability was "resolved". That's what I understood at least.
Anyway, it was pretty confusing, but there were actually a bunch of people watching the game and they were all nodding affirmatively.
I confess it didn't felt right, but there was a lot of talk about having to wait for an ability to resolve before casting an instant.

I'm still pretty convinced that this play is incorrect. Targets are always chosen immediately with an ability. Consider this: There is a Mogg Fanatic and Grim Lavamancer in play. You go to Shock the Mogg Fanatic. In response, your opponent sacs the Fanatic to ping you. Now, you can't just choose to switch the Shock's target to the Lavamancer upon resolution. This situation is very intuitive, but seems quite similar to what is being discussed. Being able to choose targets differently at casting and resolution times would cause utter chaos when considering phantasmal creatures.

Perhaps there is some crazy loophole where there was no legal target in the graveyard when the Cur came into play, so it was able to return itself because it was forced to? Sounds quite flimsy.

I know this is getting long, but I wanted to say this: I'm glad to see people having reasonable discussions on rules. Don't be afraid to question everything you think is a little shaky or counter-intuitive. I've had multiple situations at my local FNM where I've argued rules and have turned out to be correct even though the ruling at the shop went the other way. (We don't have a judge at all times.) Also, never get bent out of shape if something turns out to be the other way. I've seen people throw decks because they felt robbed by a correct ruling.
 
My friends have been playing for years, and I'll always question and look up something that does not make sense to me. 9 times outta 10, they were wrong on something they thought they knew all this time. Just because someone's a "vet", it doesn't mean they are correct on all rulings!

I think I agree with removing Phyrexia Metamorph from the deck in favor of more removal spells. Possibly sideboard Metamorph instead. 3 Skittles may be a bit much. I'd hate to draw 2 in my opening hand. I've been running monoblack infect for a long while now and Duress was the shit. With that being out and IoQ i think, Distress is the next best thing to remove threats from their hand for 2 mana. I'm running 3 in my main deck.

I'm actually thinking of running R/G/B infect just for fun. I used to run B/R before rotation and have Goblin Tunneler make Kiln Fiend unblockable, throw out a few spells and give Kiln Fiend infect to kill with one swing. This new version would be the same idea, except since black lost pretty much all of it's pump spells (I know that's what Lashwrithe is there for!), I can pump it with green. Play some Rot Wolf to draw cards. I dunno, I'll think of something after work. So the ideal combo would be to make Rot Wolf unblockable, give it Assault Probe for double strike, pump it with Titanic growth to hit for 8 and pay 2 life for the finish.

4 x Goblin Tunneler
4 x Plague Stinger
4 x Flemites
3 x Rot Wolf
1 x Skittles

4 x Assault Probe
4 x Mutegenic Growth
3 x Titanic Growth

A bunch of burn and removal spells.

4 x Inkmoth Nexus
4 x Dragonskull Summit
4 x Woodland Cemetary
4 x Rootbound Craig
3 x Swamps
3 x Mountains
3 x Forest

I could sideboard Autumn Veils, Naturalize, and Phyrexian Crusaders (in place of Rot Wolf). The only reason Crusader isn't in mainboard is I can't give up double strike with Assault Probe, but he'll be good vs red. LOL ok I didn't wait until after work to think this through. XD
 
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