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The hard part with B/G is pump spells are so much weaker now. Before we had Giant Growth, Groundswell, and Vineswood for green. It was possible to get turn 2 kills. T1 forest, Glistener Elf. T2 forest, swing, 2 groundswell and pay 2 life for Mutegenic Growth, dead. Combo I pulled off regularly. It simply allowed you to kill so much faster for so low cmc.
Now you only have Mutegenic Growth for only 2 extra dmg or Titanic Growth for 4 but at cmc of 2 I think. It just takes a little longer to kill now and I think other decks have better late game options than B/G infect.
I just reminded myself of Kessig Wolf Run. I should add 2 or so into my R/B/G infect deck and see how that goes!
Now you only have Mutegenic Growth for only 2 extra dmg or Titanic Growth for 4 but at cmc of 2 I think. It just takes a little longer to kill now and I think other decks have better late game options than B/G infect.
I just reminded myself of Kessig Wolf Run. I should add 2 or so into my R/B/G infect deck and see how that goes!
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Can some of them be basic lands?Halycon said:
Enordash
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Sblargh said:
There has to be something else that you can throw in there, man. No use in completely wasting sideboard slots. Statistically, sideboarded games are actually more important since you always play at least the same amount as un-sideboarded (1). Sideboards are incredibly important.
narcosis219
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Sblargh said:
Put something useful there. You have to have some cards that are specific as hell. Might be useless, but you will definitely be thankful when you do need that red only removal or anything like that.
NorrenRadd
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I've been doing weekly Innistrad drafts of 5-6 people.
The last two weeks, someone drafted Green/White and stomped on everyone else.
It seems there is a lot of cheap synergy between:
Avacyn's Pilgrim - http://gatherer.wizards.com/pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=243212
Travel Preparations - http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=220026
Midnight Haunting - http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=221214
How can I best stop this (other than draft it myself)?
The last two weeks, someone drafted Green/White and stomped on everyone else.
It seems there is a lot of cheap synergy between:
Avacyn's Pilgrim - http://gatherer.wizards.com/pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=243212
Travel Preparations - http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=220026
Midnight Haunting - http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=221214
How can I best stop this (other than draft it myself)?
Geistflame, Claustrophobia, Avacyn's Priest, Bonds of Faith.
Basically, you need creature removal/lockdown, or fliers of your own. The turn 3 spirits turn 4 double Travel Preparations is a game winning combo if the other player can't immediately answer it.
In my experience, G/W is by far the most synergistic colors, which is why they're always strong decks. You should look into G/W unless you get some really good cards for R/B/U. Even then, stay ready to splash white. It is a really flexible color, providing evasion, removal and fatties all with one or two plains.
Basically, you need creature removal/lockdown, or fliers of your own. The turn 3 spirits turn 4 double Travel Preparations is a game winning combo if the other player can't immediately answer it.
In my experience, G/W is by far the most synergistic colors, which is why they're always strong decks. You should look into G/W unless you get some really good cards for R/B/U. Even then, stay ready to splash white. It is a really flexible color, providing evasion, removal and fatties all with one or two plains.
Two similar Mono-Black Infect decks placed in the top 10 this past weekend. I'm running the 5th place version of the deck this Saturday just for kicks. I have no idea how I'll do, and don't really know what to expect out of the meta, but it should be fun anyway.Guesong said:
I'd love to try some form of a Wolf Run deck, but I don't have any Garruks/Swords or the Thruns. Price fluctuations like that are guaranteed to keep me out of Standard forever, unless I luck out with the cards for a "cheap" deck like the aforementioned Infect.
I traded my foil for 2 regular Lilis over the innernets. I don't like trading planeswalkers so close to release unless it's for another new planeswalker with potential, because they don't start to drop until a few months later and they spike upward for speculative reasons - her value jumped so high because everyone was jonesing to re-create Solar Flare, which at this point isn't the dominant deck people were expecting. She'll fall back down to earth sooner than later.Wichu said:I'm still annoyed that I traded my Liliana of the Veil for $30-ish worth at a prerelease. I definitely wasn't expecting a price hike to $80 (it's going down again now)
I'm disappointed that no one's using Garruk the Flippant. Maybe he'll get a bit of the spotlight come Dark Ascension or the final set. I've got 3 just waiting to be put into some kind of deck!
Sideboard has 2 island now. 
Which is actually legit, because I'm running 14 swamps and 10 islands.
Plan of the deck is to open with cheap infect creatures and control only the mid/late game and it's been working even a bit better then predicted; but if I feel I need to control earlier, I take out expensive counters like Fuel for the Cause and some of whispering specters in favor of more mana leak, more negate and 2 extra islands in exchange of 2 swamps.
Which is actually legit, because I'm running 14 swamps and 10 islands.
Plan of the deck is to open with cheap infect creatures and control only the mid/late game and it's been working even a bit better then predicted; but if I feel I need to control earlier, I take out expensive counters like Fuel for the Cause and some of whispering specters in favor of more mana leak, more negate and 2 extra islands in exchange of 2 swamps.
Wichu said:I'm still annoyed that I traded my Liliana of the Veil for $30-ish worth at a prerelease. I definitely wasn't expecting a price hike to $80 (it's going down again now)
I don't think it's near $80? $40 at tcgplayer, $60 at overpriced SCG, and I think it maxed at around $70 at SCG.
Thank the good lords they didn't make Snapcaster a mythic.
here's a rules/etiquette question:
if you tutor up a card with given conditions, ie search for land/creature/etc (and excluding diabolic tutor effects), do you have to reveal it? some cards say you have to reveal, some don't. if you don't have to reveal it, then it's opportunity to cheat, eh?
if you tutor up a card with given conditions, ie search for land/creature/etc (and excluding diabolic tutor effects), do you have to reveal it? some cards say you have to reveal, some don't. if you don't have to reveal it, then it's opportunity to cheat, eh?
I think every card that tutors a specific card type requires revealing. That's kind of the point of something like Diabolic/Demonic tutor. Which ones are you thinking of that lets you tutor only one type of card but doesn't require reveal?
Fragamemnon
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I was all set to play some serious Vintage this weekend and then got dragged out to be on call for a situation at work. Demars' Vintage Snapcaster Control deck is awesome.
Generally speaking, the Black tutors don't cause a reveal provided that the card doesn't require you to tutor a specific type of card. Infernal Tutor does require a reveal when you cast it when not Hellbent, for example (since you have to meet the tutor criteria).
For the best understanding of why some cards require a reveal and some don't, refer to the difference between Mystical Tutor and Vampiric Tutor.
Demars' Vintage Snapcaster Control deck is awesome.Generally speaking, the Black tutors don't cause a reveal provided that the card doesn't require you to tutor a specific type of card. Infernal Tutor does require a reveal when you cast it when not Hellbent, for example (since you have to meet the tutor criteria).
For the best understanding of why some cards require a reveal and some don't, refer to the difference between Mystical Tutor and Vampiric Tutor.
Enordash
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r - b - x said:
Some people just forget that you have to reveal (in appropriate cases). I have a friend who plays a Tezzeret, Agent of Bolas deck and he NEVER reveals when he uses the +1. I of course ask him to reveal it every time he uses it, though. I agree that it could be used to cheat. Just keep a close eye on what they are doing. You could even ask them to more clearly state what they are doing in a turn instead of just quickly burning through their turn as fast as possible.
Trying to decide between these two decks to take with me to Game Day tomorrow. Don't know what to expect from the meta since I've never played Type-2 at the store, though from my experience at drafts there I'm not sure it will be *too* terribly cutthroat.
My Red Deck Wins -
http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=253439
or my G/W Human Tribal -
http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=253443
My Red Deck Wins -
http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=253439
or my G/W Human Tribal -
http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=253443
Funny yall mentioned G/W earlier, I build a budgeted G/W token deck last night and it was consistently beating out my buddies Vamps/Bloodthirst/Poison/Burn/Illusion/Zombie decks which wasn't so budgeted. It pretty much lost when they were able to out ramp me. Going off my casual play, G/W seems to be pretty dang strong. And to imagine my budget deck would be that much stronger if I added Bladeholds or that white PW chick.
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Question: If you play the flashback of Travel Preparations, will it give a counter to Shrine of Loyal Legions (white shrine)?
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Question: If you play the flashback of Travel Preparations, will it give a counter to Shrine of Loyal Legions (white shrine)?
y2dvd said:
G/W Tokens is one of the strongest decks in the current metagame. And pisses me off to no end as a RDW player >.>
y2dvd said:
Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but no it wouldn't. You're still flashbacking a green spell, even if its flashback cost is white. Flashbacking doesn't change the cards color.
NorrenRadd
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Halycon said:
Thanks for the help. Drafted G/W this week. Only lost because of a bad draw.
My new problem is boredom of Innistrad. I think I'll be trying to play some other archetypes but I'll know that if I see a strong card for that archetype, I have to take it.
NihonTiger90
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I've been out of the game for a decade and found a place near me that does tourneys, etc. on my day off work, so I might be getting back in. I remember all the basics; anything new in the most recent expansions that I ought to be aware of, since those are likely what I'll be playing with?
What do you guys think about this deck? It's a GP Hiroshima winning deck.
4 glacial fortress
4 seachrome coast
4 moorland haunt
11 plains
4 doomed traveler
4 champion of the parish
4 elite vanguard
4 grand abolisher
4 fiend hunter
4 mirran crusader
4 hero of bladehold
1 geist honored monk 4 honor of the pure
4 mana leak
Right now I'm playing U/B aggro and running GoST and Angelic Destiny.(didn't do too well this FNM...2-4) I'm not sure if I should give this one a try. The Fiend Hunter replacing O-ring seems like a weird call in a meta filled with removals and Wolf-runs with their Slagstorm.
4 glacial fortress
4 seachrome coast
4 moorland haunt
11 plains
4 doomed traveler
4 champion of the parish
4 elite vanguard
4 grand abolisher
4 fiend hunter
4 mirran crusader
4 hero of bladehold
1 geist honored monk 4 honor of the pure
4 mana leak
Right now I'm playing U/B aggro and running GoST and Angelic Destiny.(didn't do too well this FNM...2-4) I'm not sure if I should give this one a try. The Fiend Hunter replacing O-ring seems like a weird call in a meta filled with removals and Wolf-runs with their Slagstorm.
I don't normally tread into this thread, but I've been playing MTG
otP'12 on Steam.
Someone I was playing against said "Top Deck" which I think is the term for getting the right card at the right time and saving my ass. Then right before the end of the game they said "Small Play", but I have no idea what that means. So...y'know, what does Small Play mean? Were they talking smack on me or giving me a compliment? :lol
otP'12 on Steam.Someone I was playing against said "Top Deck" which I think is the term for getting the right card at the right time and saving my ass. Then right before the end of the game they said "Small Play", but I have no idea what that means. So...y'know, what does Small Play mean? Were they talking smack on me or giving me a compliment? :lol
Askani said:I don't normally tread into this thread, but I've been playing MTG
Someone I was playing against said "Top Deck" which I think is the term for getting the right card at the right time and saving my ass. Then right before the end of the game they said "Small Play", but I have no idea what that means. So...y'know, what does Small Play mean? Were they talking smack on me or giving me a compliment? :lol
I don't know, but if you were using Jace's deck, that's probably means you're cheap.
Took second place at my local Game Day with my G/W Human deck. Only losses were to a mirror match, another G/W Human that took first. And I would have beaten him too if I could have lasted *one* more turn on game 3.
Either way, fun stuff and I'm loving how the Human Deck is performing. Just constant pressure with a bunch of crazy awesome low cost creatures.
Now to decide between taking it or my Infect deck to FNM next week
Either way, fun stuff and I'm loving how the Human Deck is performing. Just constant pressure with a bunch of crazy awesome low cost creatures.
Now to decide between taking it or my Infect deck to FNM next week
I am now converted 
Bought my first Magic cards ever on Friday!!!! Bought the booster battle pack and been teaching myself how to play. Now I want to add more cards! Since I'm not going to be tournament competitive do you guys recommend 1000 card magic lots? If so do you guys know any good places that sell them evenly distributed or had a good experience with a certain seller? They are ganna be split between me and some buddies (if I can convince them to play lol). Been deciding between that or the deck toolkit.
Hopefully I can get some answers. This thread haa been great!
Bought my first Magic cards ever on Friday!!!! Bought the booster battle pack and been teaching myself how to play. Now I want to add more cards! Since I'm not going to be tournament competitive do you guys recommend 1000 card magic lots? If so do you guys know any good places that sell them evenly distributed or had a good experience with a certain seller? They are ganna be split between me and some buddies (if I can convince them to play lol). Been deciding between that or the deck toolkit.
Hopefully I can get some answers. This thread haa been great!
OneEightZero
aka ThreeOneFour
Really close to having my Elf Wolf Burn deck complete. I've been lucky so far not to have to spend money because of trading... all I'm missing are a few copies of Ezuri, finishing out a set of Rootbound Crag and three copies of Devil's Play. ^_^
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
If you specifically want to be tournament competitive, then you aren't going to be buying lots of random cards, you'll be designing specific decks and placing orders for individual cards. If you want to flesh out your collection you could buy a box of uncommons or commons (or a bunch of random cards, including rares, from various old sets) but I'd recommend asking at your local store when they run Draft and Sealed events, and use the cards you collect from that. That way is much more fun.wanders said:I am now converted
Bought my first Magic cards ever on Friday!!!! Bought the booster battle pack and been teaching myself how to play. Now I want to add more cards! Since I'm not going to be tournament competitive do you guys recommend 1000 card magic lots? If so do you guys know any good places that sell them evenly distributed or had a good experience with a certain seller? They are ganna be split between me and some buddies (if I can convince them to play lol). Been deciding between that or the deck toolkit.
Hopefully I can get some answers. This thread haa been great!
wanders said:I am now converted
Bought my first Magic cards ever on Friday!!!! Bought the booster battle pack and been teaching myself how to play. Now I want to add more cards! Since I'm not going to be tournament competitive do you guys recommend 1000 card magic lots? If so do you guys know any good places that sell them evenly distributed or had a good experience with a certain seller? They are ganna be split between me and some buddies (if I can convince them to play lol). Been deciding between that or the deck toolkit.
Hopefully I can get some answers. This thread haa been great!
What are 1000 card magic lots?
OneEightZero
aka ThreeOneFour
eBay.y2dvd said:
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