I can see some cards from the rarer sets (Portal Three Kingdoms) making it, though. We got a couple in FTV: Legends after all. C'mon Imperial Recruiter.
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I can see some cards from the rarer sets (Portal Three Kingdoms) making it, though. We got a couple in FTV: Legends after all. C'mon Imperial Recruiter.
Same can be said of Sun Quan, Mox Diamond, Black Vise, Cao Cao, and multiple other FTV foils -- printed in much lower quantities than this.
They're all on par with or cheaper than the original printings. People don't like foils, especially when they're mass-produced with an undesirable expansion symbol.
With the exception of judge foils, being the only foil printing has never influenced the price of a card. The major factor in determining price is print run - I can guarantee Antiquities has a lower print run than this.
People don't like the FTV-style foils for competitive decks, generally. (They risk sticking up too much as well.)
I'm aware.
http://www.mtgcommander.net/rules.php
I don't think these are faring much better, though, as the press release pictures already show significant warping. Combined with the ugly expansion symbol, and that sylvan library is going to be well under $20 unless there's literally no other valuables in this box set. Mass produced product isn't pimp.
Here's the link to the article by the way. http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/arcana/1035
Yeah, I don't understand. I fucking HATE oversized cards and have never seen anyone use them outside of the Commander launch event last year. It pisses me off that they figured 10 oversized cards would be better than 10 more normal sized cards.
I agree with you and hope they take this opportunity to reprint stupid P3K shit that is expensive only because nobody bought that crap back when it was released and then they decided to make it legal so we have worse versions of cards that go for absurd amounts. Imperial Recruiter would be sick as hell.
This does feel like an attempt from Wizards at entering the singles market basically. I will wait for a full list to make an overall judgment but the fact is that 5 of the cards are going to be wedge Commanders, the Sylvan Library and the Command Tower we already know 7/18 of the foils in here. The other 11 better be cream of the crop.
Yeah, I don't understand. I fucking HATE oversized cards and have never seen anyone use them outside of the Commander launch event last year. It pisses me off that they figured 10 oversized cards would be better than 10 more normal sized cards.
I agree with you and hope they take this opportunity to reprint stupid P3K shit that is expensive only because nobody bought that crap back when it was released and then they decided to make it legal so we have worse versions of cards that go for absurd amounts. Imperial Recruiter would be sick as hell.
This does feel like an attempt from Wizards at entering the singles market basically. I will wait for a full list to make an overall judgment but the fact is that 5 of the cards are going to be wedge Commanders, the Sylvan Library and the Command Tower we already know 7/18 of the foils in here. The other 11 better be cream of the crop.
I would wager that the FTV printings are a lot easier to get hold of than the originals. Look at the other FTV cards - they're usually slightly more valuable. If the FTV cards weren't foil, I doubt you'd see a huge difference in price.
Well according to info from SDCC this is supposed to be this year's extra product like the Premium Deck Series we've been getting for the past three years.
Next year I assume in the summer we will see 5 more Commander decks released since they were uber popular. For fall of 2013 they might do this again if it proves to be successful.
Keru_Shiri
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I would be surprised if we don't get normal sized versions of all the oversized cards. Also, is it just me, or do the cards look kinda warped in that photo?
They mentioned it's intended as a permanent thing. They had been rotating between the various multiplayer decks, but Commander's sales blew the others out of the water.
I doubt it. Didn't they say the normal-sized ones would mostly be foils of never-before-foiled cards?
Keru_Shiri
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I was really hoping it would be a set of "bread-and-butter" or enabler type cards that could fit in a variety of decks. Stuff like Signets, Bouncelands, Expedition Map, Yavimaya Elder, and such. Maybe something like Doubling Season, or a P3K to be the star of the show.
Owlowiscious
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next year will be the m13 mono color commanders in pre-con decks. the land base will be basic lands, evolving wilds, and ghost quarter.
Keru_Shiri
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Possibly. I don't hate oversized cards, but I don't know anyone who uses them in the fashion Wizards seems to intend (to accompany Commander decks)
The problem they had here is that they didn't have the feedback from the Helvault events (Very few people actually use them!) to inform their decision here.
Zaraki_Kenpachi
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Wait... That's all the comes with it is what's in the picture and it's $75? The fuck? O.O
Keru_Shiri
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True, I'm hoping Wizards realizes that the extra doodads does little to sweeten the deal, and that the value of the actual cards is going to be the meat and potatoes. I honestly see them including at least a few other incredible cards, but I doubt it will be enough to make me drop $75.
Owlowiscious
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Dunno if I read the post here, but someone points out that the templating on these cards are the same as that "fake" rootbound defenses.
I'd totally use them if there were oversized versions of the Commanders I want to use. I think Sharuum the Hegemon is quite likely to be there (she's heading my charge counter deck), and I could change around my green deck to use Azusa, but the others aren't looking likely...
WanderingWind
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75 dollars my ass. This is the same mistakes many companies make during fat times that will come back and bite them during the lean times. Limited run, expensive, non-standard sets will cause consumer backlash before long.
Keru_Shiri
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Now that you mention it, I wouldn't mind a foiley oversized Ashling, the Pilgrim.
Haha, that would be cool. I think I remember reading that they said they're iffy about doing 4 color since at that point you might as well go 5 color.
I don't think Commander's Arsenal is necessarily a permanent thing. I believe from the SDCC they said that a Commander product is going to be a yearly thing because yeah it was ridiculously more popular than the other products. Planechase was pretty successful and why we saw it return. I don't think Archenemy really did that well, at least around here anyway.
Yeah, although they did get a lot of backlash from the random, 5% of all pre-releases contained the all foil Helvaults.
Thing is, this absolutely would command that price, no matter the MSRP.
It's not. It's a one-shot thing to replace the PDS (which didn't sell.) They're doing new Commander decks every year starting next year.
Yeah, just wanted to make sure we were all on the same page there. I pray that Commander's Arsenal bombs like PDS did so they can never do this again. I think a 75 dollar MSRP of specific singles that isn't limited to B&M stores like FTV is Wizards starting to dip into unwanted territory.
I suspect this won't make it to most mass-market stores. The MSRP just screams "Steal me!"
It's a damn shame, because the PDS was incredible.
Also, I don't know if seeing a 75 dollar box on the shelf in Walmart that has 18 cards in it would send the best message about Magic.
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
Exactly. They understand design space...but clearly they don't understand that marketing space is equally important to consider. This occupies the same space the PDS occupies, which is a premium set that appeals mostly to new casuals. They're cute, but unless the cards become playable in standard, or they're reprints of ridiculous legacy or modern staples, then they're sitting in a sales dead zone.
When I can just spend another $15 and get a booster box with a total of 36 boosters. Yep.
The PDS decks just didn't sell.
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
Exactly
Keru_Shiri
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Yup. People pretty much only bought Fire and Lightning for Chain Lightning. There was little appeal for the deck outside of that. Graveborn was a little bit better since it came with a bunch of random foil fatties and Animate Dead, but otherwise, there's little market for them.
TerminalDogma
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I can only assume (hope) that the rest of the cards are well worth that price tag. They'd have to be pretty ballsy to fill it up with crap (money-wise) cards and charge that much just due to sleeves and counters that will never used. Oh, and the oversized cards (me and my friends used the ones that came with the commander pre-cons for our first couple games of commander, but quickly put them aside. Now they collect dust. Then again...if I pay 75 bucks for this thing I might just start using them again out of principle.) So, assuming that they are printing foil versions of the 5 main pre con commanders, along with sylvan library, command tower, and presumably Azusa...what else do you think they will print? Most likely things that are either hard to find in foil, or were never foiled are my guess. Vampiric Tutor? Some are speculating Force of Will, but I'm not sure they will go that far.
divisionbyzorro
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I really want to play Naya. I'm just not sure I'm willing to drop $260 just for the Huntmasters and Bonfires, since my only goal in this is just to play the occasional 8-man or daily event on MTGO once or twice a week, and 2-mans every so often.
Of course, it's likely that any deck that plays red over the next year of standard is going to be obligated to run Bonfire, so maybe I just have to bite the bullet...
The Technomancer
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Flavor basically. Normally its because the original was block/world specific and they want a generic version for the core set, this time it looks like its the other way around.
Huntmasters seem to be falling out of favor in Naya decks, from what I've been reading. The game has warped to make them largely irrelevant from what I've gathered. The only deck they helped me against in the Buffalo Open was Delver. Otherwise they felt like a waste. Still, there aren't many great 4 drops in the colors.
Zaraki_Kenpachi
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So what sleeves do you guys use since everyone said ultra pro sucked on the other page?
Dragon Shields. I wouldn't use anything else
Zaraki_Kenpachi
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Hmm, I'll have to give it a shot then. I've only had one or two of the ultra pro that were really nice but majority were definitely shit. Especially the ones from beseiged on that would peel like fucking crazy. Thanks.
Well at least there is a chance we get to watch you lose on Channelfireball.
divisionbyzorro
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Yeah; you're still pretty much obligated to run them if you're in those colors. I'm thinking of going straight GW aggro; Champions and Rancors sound like fun.
And I'm not entirely giving up on Grixis; just letting it rest. I already have some plans for improving its resiliancy, but I do think that grinding 2-mans isn't the right way to test the deck. I'm going to wait until I have the time to play it in a daily or 8-man.
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