It's easy to now that they make it so hard to figure out what it is.
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It's easy to now that they make it so hard to figure out what it is.
acheron_xl
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Fixed.
And I'm hoping the UG one is a juiced up Cytoshape. I always loved the hell out of that card.
I think saw mentioned somewhere that they are actually coming out with a novel for this block again.
That kind of sucks for me since I was interested much more in the stories of the previous two blocks haha
I might buy this one just to add to the sales though.
Man, I remember being a 11 year old kid, re-reading the Masque block books over and over again. I would totally recommend those 3 books to any fan of magic, and the Nemesis book to Fantasy fans in general. Of course, the books had fallen off a fucking cliff by the time of Mirrodin- "The Moons of Mirrodin" might be the worst book I have ever read
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Madness!
And:
Holy power creep batman.
divisionbyzorro
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The art on Syncopate is terrible. Seriously gawdawful.
Also, dat Loxodon Smiter. Watchwolf just got an upgrade.
Also, dat Loxodon Smiter. Watchwolf just got an upgrade.
Madness!
And:
I hope Haly is happy with G/W getting a playable, if unexciting card. I also really hope that Syncopate is the only counterspell we are getting this set. And yeah, that is some bad artwork. Looks like they ran out of time, googled "emo chick", and applied some Photoshop effects to it.
The syncopate art is abysmal.
Loxodon is okay, not interesting but very solid. If I make a G/W deck it'll probably be a 3-of in the 3CMC slot. The discard protection is just weird though. Was that really necessary? I would've taken Hexproof instead, or even lifelink.
Loxodon is okay, not interesting but very solid. If I make a G/W deck it'll probably be a 3-of in the 3CMC slot. The discard protection is just weird though. Was that really necessary? I would've taken Hexproof instead, or even lifelink.
crimsonspider89
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Loxodon will be good vs control that relies on discard and counters but against ones the use exile or kill or sacrifice more so, not as much.
Syncopate unsure of, will see play due to its overall versatility I think.
Syncopate unsure of, will see play due to its overall versatility I think.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Discard protection might be relevant depending on what they give Rakdos and Dimir
It would have to be very prevalent in Dimir/Rakdos to warrant this.
And even then, it'll probably be less relevant once RTR cycles, whereas Dreadbore and Abrupt Decay are amazing forever.
And even then, it'll probably be less relevant once RTR cycles, whereas Dreadbore and Abrupt Decay are amazing forever.
I'm just a little salty. But hey, at least it's not a glorified Giant Growth.
first thing I though of
I almost want to think Syncopate is her name
We already knew the locations and dates, but the formats for the Grand Prix's for early 2013 has been announced. Another Team one too.
http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/twtw/211
http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/twtw/211
The Technomancer
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The blue hair ruins Syncopate.
Zaraki_Kenpachi
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It looks too emo. Reminds me of the new emo dante.
Madness!
And:
A 3 mana uncounterable 4/4 is pretty nuts. The counterspell if awful though, dissipate only costs 3 and does the same thing except as a hard counter.
I think it says a lot about me that I can't get excited at a 3CMC 4/4 uncounterable.
Perhaps I'm too jaded. Solforge can't come soon enough.
crimsonspider89
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Yeah but Dissipate cost two blue. This costs one blue and X which gives it some nice end game material and allows you to manage your colors to cast izzet charm as well.
Thing is we have to compare the Loxodon to the other three drops present in W/G.
Standard has O Ring, Ajani, Champion of Lambholt, Predatory Ooze, and Wolfir Avenger who the other creatures two of them are great beaters and two of them have evasion as well.
EDIT: Not to mention Legacy/Modern with Pod/fink and KoR.
Thing is we have to compare the Loxodon to the other three drops present in W/G.
Standard has O Ring, Ajani, Champion of Lambholt, Predatory Ooze, and Wolfir Avenger who the other creatures two of them are great beaters and two of them have evasion as well.
EDIT: Not to mention Legacy/Modern with Pod/fink and KoR.
The Technomancer
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Its not really the emo-ness I think, it just looks contemporary
divisionbyzorro
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Loxodon Smiter isn't a scary threat. I can't help but compare him to, say, Thrun, and he falls short in just about every area.
That's true of every decent green 3 drop though >_>
Zaraki_Kenpachi
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LOL I'm watching draft #5 of M13 by Conley Woods and he just Titanic Growthed a Fog Bank to kill something and was sad with the results... That was painful to watch.
Zaraki_Kenpachi
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Wow, I just lost over 3/4 of my binder by removing the scars block/m12 stuff that's rotating. I guess we know what block I was pack crazy on.
Weren't we just talking about how dumb that guy is a few days ago?
narcosis219
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hahahahhaahaha
will probably play a couple
One British GP a year and it's sealed every time, fuck that shit.
Alright, so I know neoGAF is smart enough to realize that buying booster boxes of new Magic sets is, unless you don't draft and can't stop yourself from opening 3.99 packs in person, pretty stupid.
I've seen a few posts on this thread stating that people have preordered, or are planning to preorder, cards in RTR.
You are getting less value with your preorders than you would be simply opening a box. Preorders are overpriced by a factor of two right now, and companies are laughing it all the way to the bank.
Let's look at just the rares in the set that are over $3.
abrupt decay (13.99)
hallowed fountain (14.99)
blood crypt (11.99)
chromatic lantern (4.99)
dreadbore (7.99)
lotleth troll (9.99)
mizzium mortars (3.99)
supreme verdict (5.99)
steam vents (14.99)
temple garden (11.99)
overgrown tomb (11.99)
These are SCG prices, which, for the first time in history, are being stocked en-masse at (or even below) the price these cards are ending at on ebay. We haven't even seen half the rares in the new set, and the value of these cards alone, not including dollar rares and bulk, is a completely absurd $113. That's from 11 of the 53 rares in the set; even if you value every other rare at SCG's bulk buy-price of 0.12, you're looking at $118 for a complete set of rares and rares alone.
Or an average of $2.23 in rares per pack, assuming you never open a single mythic, making some extremely conservative value predictions.
It doesn't take an economics degree to be able to tell that this is the most unsustainable preorder market in MTG history.
Let's factor in mythics and uncommons to make this even more hilarious:
Jace: 24.99
Isperia: 3.99
Jarad: 3.99
Niv-Mizzet: 9.99
Rakdos' Return: 14.99
Vraska: 39.99
Wurm: 3.99
Total: $102.
With one in every eight packs containing a mythic on average, that's still 0.85 in mythics a pack (102/15/8). That's in line with most full sets worth of mythics, and we still haven't even seen half of them. Naturally, this forces us to lower our EV for rares to 7/8 * 118, or around $1.95 a pack, raising the value of a pack to $2.80, or the value of an opened box to over $100!
We also have a TON of bomby uncommons in the set; the four spoiled charms and 1-drops are spoiling at $1+ each, for a total of $8, not counting anything else, as not much is spoiled. 8 * 3 / 60 still gives us 40 cents a pack in uncommons. You can completely disregard this, as the EV of a box is still $20 over the cost of a box if you consider the unspoiled cards in the set utterly worthless.
Conclusion: I have begun selling preorders.
I've seen a few posts on this thread stating that people have preordered, or are planning to preorder, cards in RTR.
You are getting less value with your preorders than you would be simply opening a box. Preorders are overpriced by a factor of two right now, and companies are laughing it all the way to the bank.
Let's look at just the rares in the set that are over $3.
abrupt decay (13.99)
hallowed fountain (14.99)
blood crypt (11.99)
chromatic lantern (4.99)
dreadbore (7.99)
lotleth troll (9.99)
mizzium mortars (3.99)
supreme verdict (5.99)
steam vents (14.99)
temple garden (11.99)
overgrown tomb (11.99)
These are SCG prices, which, for the first time in history, are being stocked en-masse at (or even below) the price these cards are ending at on ebay. We haven't even seen half the rares in the new set, and the value of these cards alone, not including dollar rares and bulk, is a completely absurd $113. That's from 11 of the 53 rares in the set; even if you value every other rare at SCG's bulk buy-price of 0.12, you're looking at $118 for a complete set of rares and rares alone.
Or an average of $2.23 in rares per pack, assuming you never open a single mythic, making some extremely conservative value predictions.
It doesn't take an economics degree to be able to tell that this is the most unsustainable preorder market in MTG history.
Let's factor in mythics and uncommons to make this even more hilarious:
Jace: 24.99
Isperia: 3.99
Jarad: 3.99
Niv-Mizzet: 9.99
Rakdos' Return: 14.99
Vraska: 39.99
Wurm: 3.99
Total: $102.
With one in every eight packs containing a mythic on average, that's still 0.85 in mythics a pack (102/15/8). That's in line with most full sets worth of mythics, and we still haven't even seen half of them. Naturally, this forces us to lower our EV for rares to 7/8 * 118, or around $1.95 a pack, raising the value of a pack to $2.80, or the value of an opened box to over $100!
We also have a TON of bomby uncommons in the set; the four spoiled charms and 1-drops are spoiling at $1+ each, for a total of $8, not counting anything else, as not much is spoiled. 8 * 3 / 60 still gives us 40 cents a pack in uncommons. You can completely disregard this, as the EV of a box is still $20 over the cost of a box if you consider the unspoiled cards in the set utterly worthless.
Conclusion: I have begun selling preorders.
Keru_Shiri
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I honestly think the prices will settle, possible a bit too much, once the format gets going. This set has had a lot of time to build nuclear-levels of hype.
Also, I just can't bring myself to hate the new art for Syncopate. It's funny to me.
Also, I just can't bring myself to hate the new art for Syncopate. It's funny to me.
Zaraki_Kenpachi
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Yup, that's why when I saw it last night I felt like I had to mention it. It just seemed to bring everything together.
Eh, with how much prices plummet usually, it feels pretty worthless to do this unless you're selling every rare you open for cash money the day of release and that's it. Look at any other set and the drastic drop in prices a month or so afterwards. I'm almost positive prices will be bad early like every set but will also cool down, especially with so many people opening packs if it is so highly desired.
Yup, that's why when I saw it last night I felt like I had to mention it. It just seemed to bring everything together.
Eh, with how much prices plummet usually, it feels pretty worthless to do this unless you're selling every rare you open for cash money the day of release and that's it. Look at any other set and the drastic drop in prices a month or so afterwards. I'm almost positive prices will be bad early like every set but will also cool down, especially with so many people opening packs if it is so highly desired.
I wasn't telling people to open boxes
I was pointing out that a normally terrible decision value-wise provides much better value than preordering.A couple places I see online say it is Supreme Verdict.
Zaraki_Kenpachi
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I wasn't telling people to open boxes
Preorders are always shitty.... Unless you want it right away they'll pretty much almost always drop in price, that why so many people here try to dump stuff at prerelease.
I believe most places do. I know troll and toad does and I think star city does also.
Keru_Shiri
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It really doesn't make sense to me to preorder anything at over $10. But everyone is still trying to get the next JtMS.
See that's just the thing; preorders aren't always shitty. Read my post, then go back and look at previous set preorders; they often fit with the average 85-90 dollar box value once the set has been -fully- spoiled. Half the set is $20 over that this time. It's not even slightly sustainable, and it IS unusual.
Zaraki_Kenpachi
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It is unusual but most cards drop well under preorder price within a month of coming out. The innistrad were high and then drop to the $9-$10 range and most others. Especially this late they're already upping prices. You can guess and hope it pays off but still doesn't change the fact that unless you need the card right away it will almost always drop. Duals jumped from $10-$12 to around $15+ for most of them, like all preorders, if you wanted in you should have by now. Most are overvalued now. Not to mention some of your valuations that you're using are beyond silly. You really think vraska is worth anything near the $40 they preorder for? That's skewing your prices so hard on mythics and he's going to drop instantly from that point, even freaking ajani people were going apeshit for is under $20 now.
They've spoiled a ton of powerful cards so far and demand is high. M13 was preordering at over $100 wasn't it? It will come down after release.
This set has an even more supply crunch than Innistrad did. I preordered 3 Jaces to ensure I'd have em. I haven't gone after any rares simply because I'm getting 3 boxes already, and I can just snipe a few that I need. I won't personally have to play Standard until mid-November (every event for me is Sealed!) so I am planning on moving a lot of cards in the time immediately following release.
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