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[ultron87]

Good thing you can just Abrupt Decay your Zombies right back into play.

 

[OnPoint]

Good thing you can just Abrupt Decay your Zombies right back into play.

Note to self, don't Detention Sphere my opponent's Messengers.

 

[zoukka]

Good thing you can just Abrupt Decay your Zombies right back into play.

God bless abrubt decay.

 

[WanderingWind]

God bless abrubt decay.

2x

 

[Kurtofan]

Necropolis Regent 3BBB
Creature – Vampire
Flying
Whenever a creature you control deals combat damage to a player, put that many +1/+1 counter on it.
6/5

 

[zoukka]

Kinda bad.

 

[Venfayth]

"That many" meaning the amount of combat damage it dealt?

 

[Kurtofan]

"That many" meaning the amount of combat damage it dealt?

Yeah.

 

[WanderingWind]

Huh. I sort of like that one, but more for my casual B/R vampire deck. I mean, Aristocrat eats this for lunch though, and at a lower CMC.

 

[zoukka]

Yeah a 6 mana creature needs to affect the board right away to be viable in current standard I think. I'm not an expert atm, but that's just a gut feeling.

 

[Sinatar]

Yeah a 6 mana creature needs to affect the board right away to be viable in current standard I think. I'm not an expert atm, but that's just a gut feeling.

Like all vampires it's a kitchen table card, not a competitive one.

 

[WanderingWind]

Like all vampires it's a kitchen table card, not a competitive one.

Well, you know. Except Blood Artist and Aristocrat and Bloodthrone.

 

[zoukka]

Well, you know. Except Blood Artist and Aristocrat and Bloodthrone.

And Olivia <3

 

[Sinatar]

Well, you know. Except Blood Artist and Aristocrat and Bloodthrone.

Blood Artist is a zombie, he just doesn't know it. Aristocrat doesn't really see any play outside of INN block constructed. I've never seen Bloodthrone in a real deck.

 

[WanderingWind]

Blood Artist is a zombie, he just doesn't know it. Aristocrat doesn't really see any play outside of INN block constructed. I've never seen Bloodthrone in a real deck.

Well, Blood Artist and Aristocrat are both heavily played in standard B/R zombies. Bloodthrone has seen quite a bit of play in the same, too. It also is being run in MBC decks too.

 

[Lucario]

Aristocrat doesn't really see any play outside of INN block constructed.

http://sales.starcitygames.com//deckdatabase/displaydeck.php?DeckID=49223

 

[OnPoint]

Blood Artist is a zombie, he just doesn't know it. Aristocrat doesn't really see any play outside of INN block constructed. I've never seen Bloodthrone in a real deck.

Aristocrat is a staple in BR zombies, no?

 

[Sinatar]

Aristocrat seems like an odd fit in that deck, never seen or played against it though so I'm probably missing something.

 

[OnPoint]

Aristocrat seems like an odd fit in that deck, never seen or played against it though so I'm probably missing something.

It's a sacrifice outlet that activates Blood Artist, not to mention Gravecrawlers recur. Plus it's top-heavy, hasted and can be indestructable.

 

[WanderingWind]

I knows my vampires/zombies.

 

[sammich]

Necropolis Regent 3BBB
Creature – Vampire
Flying
Whenever a creature you control deals combat damage to a player, put that many +1/+1 counter on it.
6/5

Im reading this 2 ways, and im not sure which one is correct..

Does the counter go on the creature that did the damage

Or

Does the counter go on the Necropolis Regent?

First one would be crazy.. second one not so much

 

[zoukka]

Does the counter go on the creature that did the damage

This one.

 

[WanderingWind]

Im reading this 2 ways, and im not sure which one is correct..

Does the counter go on the creature that did the damage

Or

Does the counter go on the Necropolis Regent?

First one would be crazy.. second one not so much

It's basically Rakish Heir ++. The counters go on the creature doing the damage.

 

[The Technomancer]

Its better then Oblivion Ring in decks that want to run it, but I think its "worse" then Oblivion Ring in that part of why O-Ring is so powerful is that just about any deck with a white component can get utility out of it. Forcing it into two colors diminishes that utility. I don't think it will see as much play in terms of quantity.

 

[WanderingWind]

Its better then Oblivion Ring in decks that want to run it, but I think its "worse" then Oblivion Ring in that part of why O-Ring is so powerful is that just about any deck with a white component can get utility out of it. Forcing it into two colors diminishes that utility. I don't think it will see as much play in terms of quantity.

I think it will until RtR block rotates out though, as pretty much everything will be multicolor.

 

[sammich]

So then that vampire with heartless summoning would be pretty nutty.. for a flyer.. that essentially doubles the P&T of all your non blocked creatures.. or rancor them. Im not sure where i could fit him in in a B/W or a B/G deck, but i sure as hell want to.

 

[Kurtofan]

 

[Venfayth]

WUT.

 

[ZZMitch]

That's crazy.

On another note I am really enjoying Duals of the Planswalkers, but I wish there were less encounters and more normal duels in the campaign. The encounters can be really frustrating and not too much fun. Also it breaks one of the main rules of the game heh.

 

[f0rk]

To help out with all those damn counter wars we keep seeing in standard clearly. Thanks wizards.

 

[WanderingWind]

Lol. Now what will the "control is dead" crowd whine about?

 

[ultron87]

Shame that Overloading that doesn't get around "Can't be countered" like sweepers get around Hexproof.

 

[Keru_Shiri]

Storm has something for the mirror, it seems. I don't know if it will unseat Mindbreak Trap, though.

 

[kirblar]

Shame that Overloading that doesn't get around "Can't be countered" like sweepers get around Hexproof.

It gets around Misdirection, however.

 

[Keru_Shiri]

To help out with all those damn counter wars we keep seeing in standard clearly. Thanks wizards.

I'm thinking this card is geared for the Modern crowd, actually.

 

[f0rk]

Lol. Now what will the "control is dead" crowd whine about?

How is this card going to help control at all? Dissipate is much better in almost every situation outside of vs storm. It's the worst of the cannot counter cycle by quite a bit.

There could be a control deck in with all these new cards, but working out what colours to be in will be very hard as the good stuff is spread out all over.

 

[Sinatar]

I'm thinking this card is geared for the Modern crowd, actually.

Yea this is a direct middle finger to Storm.

 

[kirblar]

I'm thinking this card is geared for the Modern crowd, actually.

Many of these spells seem explicitly designed for Modern/Legacy.

We better get the back 5.

 

[Wichu]

Aww, you can't Detention Sphere a Detention Sphere for assorted craziness like you can with Oblivion Ring.

 

[WanderingWind]

How is this card going to help control at all? Dissipate is much better in almost every situation outside of vs storm. It's the worst of the cannot counter cycle by quite a bit.

There could be a control deck in with all these new cards, but working out what colours to be in will be very hard as the good stuff is spread out all over.

It's a counter that will work 100 percent of the time. It's also very splashable with the abundance of R/B mana sources available in RtR. So, Izzet and Azorious players will likely want this (if they lean toward the control side). Azorious, splashing this with the abundance of detain and the New O-Ring will be a very handy control ready deck.

 

[Venfayth]

Why are all the phrasings "Cannot be countered by spells and abilities" as opposed to just "Cannot be countered."

Are there other counters that I'm missing?

edit: WANDERINGWIND, BLUE IS U NOT B.

 

[kirblar]

Why are all the phrasings "Cannot be countered by spells and abilities" as opposed to just "Cannot be countered."

Are there other counters that I'm missing?

edit: WANDERINGWIND, BLUE IS U NOT B.

State-based effects need to be able to counter a targeted spell with no targets.

 

[ultron87]

Why are all the phrasings "Cannot be countered by spells and abilities" as opposed to just "Cannot be countered."

Are there other counters that I'm missing?

Targeted spells need to say "spells and abilities" so they can still get countered by the rules if their target goes away.

Notice that Supreme Verdict just says "can't be countered".

 

[Venfayth]

I don't get it. Can you give me an example?

edit: Oh, nvm, I see. I thought that was just called "fizzling" or something.

 

[Sinatar]

Why are all the phrasings "Cannot be countered by spells and abilities" as opposed to just "Cannot be countered."

Are there other counters that I'm missing?

edit: WANDERINGWIND, BLUE IS U NOT B.

 

[ultron87]

That's still an ability.

 

[kirblar]

I don't get it. Can you give me an example?

edit: Oh, nvm, I see. I thought that was just called "fizzling" or something.

Yeah, that's the shorthand for it, but it's still technically "countering" by the game rules.

 

[Haly]

EDIT: Woops

 

[WanderingWind]

Why are all the phrasings "Cannot be countered by spells and abilities" as opposed to just "Cannot be countered."

Are there other counters that I'm missing?

edit: WANDERINGWIND, BLUE IS U NOT B.

Goddamnit, you know what I meant!!!!!

 

[f0rk]

It's a counter that will work 100 percent of the time. It's also very splashable with the abundance of R/B mana sources available in RtR. So, Izzet and Azorious players will likely want this (if they lean toward the control side). Azorious, splashing this with the abundance of detain and the New O-Ring will be a very handy control ready deck.

Dissipate works 100% of the time, has a much more relevant extra and doesn't need any red. And no decks are even going to play 4 Dissipates so why would you need copies 5-8? 3 mana counterspells aren't that great unless they are Cryptic Command.

Azorious does seem to be shacking up OK, but I take issue with 'abundance' of detain given there are no control relevant sources of it spoiled yet except maybe the 7 drop which probably isn't good enough. The new O-Ring is pretty sweet, but Abrupt Decay makes it awkward against Zombies. I've played against Zombies with Pillar of Flame, and it's often a case of you have it or you're in big trouble. With O-Ring / Detention Sphere it's the same thing except even if you have it you have to hope they don't have their perfect answer in hand as well.