SigmasonicX
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Go aggressive with black/red but also include Emrakul because fuck it. Exactly what I'd do.
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Magic: the Gathering |OT8| Eldritch Moon - It's only a paper (and digital) moon
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Go aggressive with black/red but also include Emrakul because fuck it. Exactly what I'd do.
EXACTLY
shrapnelmagnet
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Enlightened Maniac seems good with Emerge? It's a common, 3U for an 3/2 + 0/2 body. Dunno, just a thought I had, maybe it's brain dead obvious, lol.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
UR spellsslinger got lots of new toys. Seems interesting to try.
SigmasonicX
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Enlightened Maniac seems good with Emerge? It's a common, 3U for an 3/2 + 0/2 body. Dunno, just a thought I had, maybe it's brain dead obvious, lol.
Yeah, most of the value is in the token, and there's no point in keeping the guy around.
Oh, and in the stream, every promo card comes with a zombie token? Neat.
charlequin
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They established U/R as a strong color focus/pair w/ Thopters already, and given we've had a grand total of Zero enemy-color blocks, it's a box they've desperately needed to check for a long time.
I mean I'm not saying there won't be any tilt at all, but to really qualify as an "enemy-pair set" you need to be at least as gold as, say, DTK, and I don't think that's likely.
EDIT: this is a weird answer
ghh619 asked: I have 2ish questions about draft archetypes. What was, mechanically, R/W's theme for SOI supposed to be? Flavor-wise, it's crazy Angels, but on the common level it's kinda all over the place. Next, Investigate seems like a Smash Hit as a fair mechanic, do you think it was received Well enough/has enough design space to go evergreen like Prowess? That could be a help to make U/G more consistently themed.
Investigate isn’t the kind of mechanic we’d make evergreen.
Flash forward five years from now: everyone reposts this answer when we make Investigate evergreen.
I mean I'm not saying there won't be any tilt at all, but to really qualify as an "enemy-pair set" you need to be at least as gold as, say, DTK, and I don't think that's likely.
EDIT: this is a weird answer
Maro basically saying shit can change or be totally different than what he says they would do
Look at red donate for the answer
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
trying out a draftsim right now and I don't think it's close to realistic.
I just got 3 Hanweir Battlements in pack 1. Got the Garrison pack 2.
I just got 3 Hanweir Battlements in pack 1. Got the Garrison pack 2.
SigmasonicX
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EDIT: this is a weird answer
I think he's just acknowledging that investigate has been very popular.
EDIT: Dream achieved. Meld pair in sealed pool.
A Serious Man
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That melded card did look pretty cool, my inner Timmy was amused by it.
SigmasonicX
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Thinking about red's new land tapping ability.
The most powerful one-shot version is freezing all the opponent's lands, which at sorcery speed, is roughly equivalent to Silence, which is one mana. This means that they probably wouldn't print any other pure sorcery variations without an extra effect. I wouldn't be surprised if Wizards did this at 1R instead of R, though.
Tapping a set number of lands becomes much weaker as the game goes on, but it can be really strong early on.
As we all know, repeated land tapping is strong, so I don't expect we'll see that at a low cost if at all.
I'm unsure how strong land freezing is as an add-on. How strong would you guys say this is, for instance?
Mana Pillage - 2R
Sorcery
Tap up to three target lands an opponent controls. Those lands don't untap during their controller's next untap step.
Add RRR to your mana pool.
Or as a cantrip.
Card Pillage - 2R
Sorcery
Tap up to three target lands an opponent controls. Those lands don't untap during their controller's next untap step.
Draw a card.
The most powerful one-shot version is freezing all the opponent's lands, which at sorcery speed, is roughly equivalent to Silence, which is one mana. This means that they probably wouldn't print any other pure sorcery variations without an extra effect. I wouldn't be surprised if Wizards did this at 1R instead of R, though.
Tapping a set number of lands becomes much weaker as the game goes on, but it can be really strong early on.
As we all know, repeated land tapping is strong, so I don't expect we'll see that at a low cost if at all.
I'm unsure how strong land freezing is as an add-on. How strong would you guys say this is, for instance?
Mana Pillage - 2R
Sorcery
Tap up to three target lands an opponent controls. Those lands don't untap during their controller's next untap step.
Add RRR to your mana pool.
Or as a cantrip.
Card Pillage - 2R
Sorcery
Tap up to three target lands an opponent controls. Those lands don't untap during their controller's next untap step.
Draw a card.
blindrocket
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This is a long shot, but I have a play set of Gideon, Ally of Zendikar, one of which is FOIL and I am needing a play set of Nahiri, the Harbinger.
Do any of you happen to be in for this trade?
Do any of you happen to be in for this trade?
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
There's too many madness enablers in EMN for too little madness cards in the set to get a substantial amount from the last pack.
Enablers are there to smooth out SoI and constructed.There's too many madness enablers in EMN for too little madness cards in the set to get a substantial amount from the last pack.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Enablers are there to smooth out SoI and constructed.
Clumps up the draft.
"God's Beard!"
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There's too many madness enablers in EMN for too little madness cards in the set to get a substantial amount from the last pack.
There seems to be a lot of things that have their weight shifted towards the emn or soi packs and it's somewhat awkward. Spirits having a lot of cards in emn and not many in soi for instance.
SigmasonicX
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is it emn-soi-soi again? this needs to die.
No, it's EMN-EMN-SOI. They're saying the last SOI pack could be awkward.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
nois it emn-soi-soi again? this needs to die.
No, it's EMN-EMN-SOI. They're saying the last SOI pack could be awkward.
exactly.
Tried a couple sims now and while the bots do an awful job, if you go for certain archetypes you're very likely to be fucked.
oh that's even worse. case in point: dragons of tarkirNo, it's EMN-EMN-SOI. They're saying the last SOI pack could be awkward.
They screwed up not putting Investigate here. "HOW DO WE BEAT THEM" is a question to be asked- you can make the flavor work.
Miracles! We need a miracle!
What are we watching?
I got the non-Xenoskin deck box first but it doesn't come with the fiber lining. Their whole product range seems great though, they knew there was a market in high quality deck boxes and they rightfully exploited that.
Indeed, the quality is very high. Great texture on the outside for grip and the magnetic closure is very secure. Inside has a soft suede-like material that might be a bit unnecessary, but really adds to the high end feel. You made a great choice.
I got the non-Xenoskin deck box first but it doesn't come with the fiber lining. Their whole product range seems great though, they knew there was a market in high quality deck boxes and they rightfully exploited that.
charlequin
Banned
oh that's even worse. case in point: dragons of tarkir
what are you even talking about
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Meld cards are gonna be super awkward noone is gonna pass you the card of a rare meld if they know you have the other half and they'll know because DFC are revealed.
FRF ended up way too splashable with its good rare cards due to the position it was in and warped both DTK and KTK in unhealthy ways because of it.i distinctively remember dtk-dtk-frf wasn't looked upon favourably
and neither was frf-ktk-ktk now that i think about it
You could do a FRF type set. But doing it with Wedge>Allied caused problems.
edm-edm-soi has its own issues though. without clues in edm, cards that care about clues get a lot worse. also i'll have to see if rise from the tides is still a reliable draft strategy with only one pack. i'm guessing it's not. as bad as dark ascension was, at least inn-inn-dka didn't invalidate spider spawning and burning vengeance.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
edm-edm-soi has its own issues though. without clues in edm, cards that care about clues get a lot worse. also i'll have to see if rise from the tides is still a reliable draft strategy with only one pack. i'm guessing it's not. at least inn-inn-dka didn't invalidate spider spawning and burning vengeance.
EMN gives you a lot of spellslinger incentives, more in a turtle up with creatures way though.
ThLunarian
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Sigh... just looked through my speculation binder. I've lost money on SoI Jace, Ad Nauseum (bought when Eldrazi Winter started), Descendants' Path (actually just broke even here), and Flagstones of Trokair because I waited too long. I also sold my City of Traitors like a month and a half ago before it blew up again.
I am clearly not very good at this
Edit: Whoa! I actually still have the City! That wipes away all the other losses and then some. Neat
I am clearly not very good at this
Edit: Whoa! I actually still have the City! That wipes away all the other losses and then some. Neat
Familienoberhauptvogel
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pingers that can only target players don't work. they never worked unless they're one mana like goblin fireslinger. and dealing one damage for every spell really isn't much.
Nettle drone was an allstar in BFZ (it rewarded developing the board though), it could trade up contrary to the pingers but the pingers can chump better. Also gonna be much easier to get multiples of it, considering it's awful in pretty much every other archetype
Nettle drone was an allstar in BFZ (it rewarded developing the board though), it could trade up contrary to the pingers but the pingers can chump better. Also gonna be much easier to get multiples off.
I remember wombo-comboing with Nettle Drone at the OGW 2HG prerelease. Nettle Drone, copy it with Mirrorpool, untap, and cast an Eldrazi to deal 8 total in one turn for the win.
I should play 2HG more.
"God's Beard!"
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hahahahaha i just got totally rekt by t1 bazaar of baghdad t2 reanimate iona
it's the first time i've seen a nonblue reanimator deck in cube. i didn't even know entomb could fetch unburial rites. amazing.
I've spent many a day on the side of your opponent. Discard outlets are generally the make or break point for a good limited reanimator deck, Lion's Eye Diamond with Living Death is my personal favorite. Also, Iona is good but people play 4 color insanity all the time so it doesn't always win the game on the spot like it does in constructed.
Nettle Drone and Lobber Crew were both solid in their respective draft formats. Vent Sentinel was also great in Conspiracy.pingers that can only target players don't work. they never worked unless they're one mana like goblin fireslinger. and dealing one damage for every spell really isn't much.
"God's Beard!"
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To be fair Vent Sentinel is closer to isochron scepter than a pinger. Not really pinging when you're doing 3+ damage a turn. Then again I'm used to him in ROE.
Camp1nCarl
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Hey everyone, looking for some advice.
I'm a pretty casual player, usually only jumping in during a prerelease. So I wasn't able to hit up the Innistrad prerelease but I will be hitting this one up. What does every think is the best idea to be prepared before the prerelease? Just to do some sealed generators and know the cards? Wondering if there is any good combos to watch out for from Innistrad and what not. Thanks!
I'm a pretty casual player, usually only jumping in during a prerelease. So I wasn't able to hit up the Innistrad prerelease but I will be hitting this one up. What does every think is the best idea to be prepared before the prerelease? Just to do some sealed generators and know the cards? Wondering if there is any good combos to watch out for from Innistrad and what not. Thanks!
SigmasonicX
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Hey everyone, looking for some advice.
I'm a pretty casual player, usually only jumping in during a prerelease. So I wasn't able to hit up the Innistrad prerelease but I will be hitting this one up. What does every think is the best idea to be prepared before the prerelease? Just to do some sealed generators and know the cards? Wondering if there is any good combos to watch out for from Innistrad and what not. Thanks!
If you want to prepare, Luis Scott-Vargas goes through every card and rates it for Limited in the week leading up to the prerelease. Those articles will surely be linked when they appear. Here are the ones for SOI.
If you want to prepare, Luis Scott-Vargas goes through every card and rates it for Limited in the week leading up to the prerelease. Those articles will surely be linked when they appear. Here are the ones for SOI.
LSV just had a baby, I don't think he's doing his usual report
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Reid or PVDDR is filling in for Luis w/r/t EMN
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