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Magic: the Gathering |OT12| Hour of Devastation - Hour of Jace getting dunked on
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charlequin
Banned
I definitely know people IRL who have gorrmless skinny guys as, like, their type.
This is definitely true.
The question with anything like this is whether the awkward visual design will go by the wayside because the mechanic is so popular or not. In this case it didn't, but you can't always be sure of that in advance.
Maybe aim for Wednesday.
SigmasonicX
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If you're worried about the effort, I'm conveniently WFH sick today, so I can put an updated OP together by this afternoon.
Anyway, now that I actually look at the cards, most of these seem really simple and often weak, more so than usual. Is this just a result of seeing everything at once?
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
l mean okay you got me there lol
SigmasonicX
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Yup, definitely a red mythic.
Yup, definitely a red mythic.
Who needs Hazorets or Chandras when you have Rowdy Crews?
Joe Molotov
Member
Yup, definitely a red mythic.
Couldn't even give it Haste.
divisionbyzorro
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Karakas jumping up in Cube power rankings.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Are we gonna make the mistake of underestimating a 3 mana PW that protects itself again?
Ya I thought this Jace was pretty alright at first glance. Has everything you kinda want on a walker.
Edit: oh I thought he gave loot to each creature not just a one time trigger for the turn. Lame. He'll see plenty of play in standard though regardless.
Imperfected
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The 3CMC walker that protects themselves thing is mostly about 3CMC walkers that protect themselves on +1 (Last Hope, Voice of Zendikar, Gideon of the Trials, etc.).
A planeswalker who can protect themselves (and not spectacularly well) by going down to 1 Loyalty is significantly less impressive.
A planeswalker who can protect themselves (and not spectacularly well) by going down to 1 Loyalty is significantly less impressive.
Jace art is amazing. He's exactly the sort of Planeswalker x Plane crossover that I've been hoping to see more of.
I like how WotC is handling the whole situation. I didn't expect them to be so honest and upfront about it, but I think that's the right thing to do in this case.
I like how WotC is handling the whole situation. I didn't expect them to be so honest and upfront about it, but I think that's the right thing to do in this case.
When you ultimate him and have 3 jaces that's 3 loots!
I love value
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
The art is fine the clothes are stupid and look terrible.
Anyway would you play a 3 mana 2/2 that had "put a mediocre Jace with 1 loyalty into play"? I would.
didn't notice that either with that restriction it could have been straight draw.
Anyway would you play a 3 mana 2/2 that had "put a mediocre Jace with 1 loyalty into play"? I would.
Imperfected
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I mean if the 2/2 wasn't an illusion, probably.
He really should be creating something beefier given that downside.
Edit: I'd also be a lot more keen on him if he was 2U instead of 1UU. Double-blue on 3 is pretty annoying, especially since mono-blue doesn't tend to be much of a thing. In a lot of ways he just looks like a crummier Tamiyo with the not-insignificant upshot of being easier to cast.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
the downside is usually lessened by the number of spells or abilities on cards played that could target it and not kill it anyway but they definitely played it safe with all these downsides.
Are they gonna make jace PW tokens?
oh ffs
Yup, definitely a red mythic.
shrapnelmagnet
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Teferi's Protection on that steady march upward. I was hoping it would drop. Guess it's the waiting game.
I wasn't a buyer at its low of 13 or whatever, so it's not like I missed anything, at least.
I wasn't a buyer at its low of 13 or whatever, so it's not like I missed anything, at least.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Rowdy Crew is a lot better than it was when I thought it was draw three discard three at least.
The Illusion text is basically trinket text. What are your creatures going to be targeted by that won't kill them anyways.
The Illusion text is basically trinket text. What are your creatures going to be targeted by that won't kill them anyways.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
not including ixalan cards off the top of my head and non rotating. Gideon +, Ballista, Blossoming Defense, Earthshaker Khenra and Ahn Crop Crasher.
Probably a couple more and a couple in Ixalan nothing extraordinary.
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This one draws 3, discards 2 at random. Horde draws 0, discards 1 at random else it dies.
It IS a smaller body but the ETB trigger is completely different.
STOP Subtweeting (or whatever the messageboard equivalent of subtweeting is) me
i know but random discarding still sucks because you have no control over it
at least balduvian horde isn't a hill giant
and a mythic
it's a ramp card and draw 3 spell in one if i read it correctly right?
every non-blue edh deck is going to play this lol
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Oh shit this is good. Control definitely gonna move to UBx with Ixalan
I'm absolutely in love with this guy from the art to everything but there's zero way to make him work in EDH as your commander.
I'll take boring UG commander for 500,
I don't know how that show works
I'm absolutely in love with this guy from the art to everything but there's zero way to make him work in EDH as your commander.
I love it. The design is great.
Imperfected
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Plenty of things? For one thing it means you can kill it with a variety of spells you would normally cast on your own creatures (example: Blossoming Defense) to get it, and almost certainly Jace, off the board. It also means things like Last Hope or even Dovin Baan +1 can kill it outright and prevent it from blocking, you can ping it a single time with a Walking Balista (and thus probably not have to lose the Balista in the process), you can target it with Harness Lightning and cash in all of the Energy rather than spending 2, etc.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
couple things. Liliana the last hope rotates, Dovin Baan remains terrible, Ballista outright kills jace anyway in that exchange and most importantly Harnessed Lightning fizzles netting 0 energy.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
The last one doesn't work, the target is invalid when the spell resolves and you get nothing.
Most of those are spending a card or playing an otherwise bad Planeswalker (or non-Standard) to use. I mean, it matters for something like Phantasmal Image, but for bears? It basically doesn't matter.
Ixalan limited has me intrigued. Most of the little dudes are underpowered on their own and require some kind of build around and there are tons of 7 mana payoffs which in my mind is because of treasure.
Imperfected
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I mean it's literally a random grab-bag of examples just off the top of my head.
How about Earthshaker Khenra to instant punk your Jace and his token, and I get to keep the Khenra? This isn't hard if you stop and think about it.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
I mean you kill the 2/2 in the exchange but you'd kill Jace itself anyways. I'm not arguing Jace is good anyways because he isn't.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
I've been wrong about every 3 cmc walker recently and I think Jace is good.
I've been wrong about every 3 cmc walker recently and I think Jace is good.
Well shit...
Imperfected
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There's always the off chance that something else in the set (or the next set, or the one after that) makes Jace better than he looks right now. For all I know they could have a 1U 10/10 Vigilance Trample creature named Thunderfuck Dinoking in the set, in which case having Jace to loot around for more copies might be the new meta.
Barring some incredible 1-2 CMC blue creatures, though, I'm actually pretty confident in saying this Jace is destined for bargain bins.
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