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Magic: the Gathering |OT9| Kaladesh - Cruisin' Down the Street in my 6/4
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Wulfric
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Any word on Kaladesh? I wouldn't be surprised if sales flat lined this year. It's a cool set, but people don't seem to be buying it in droves like BFZ.
Btw, Wizards really wants you to play standard. The desperation in this article is palpable.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
The EV for Kaladesh is terrible. Unless you're opening a masterpiece you're going to make a loss.
I'm not gonna push too hard on the design. I just wanted to get the old creative juices flowing. I like when we imagine dumb cards and then are mostly wrong lol
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
The EV for all standard sets is terrible.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
KLD is considerably worse.
You know who makes Vampires? Eldrazi
Get out.
Yeah, this is either going to be good or bad, and I'm sort of leaning towards bad. It's hard to tell how much is that and how much is Standard being awful though.
spoiler: bans probably likely if morale does not improve.
Is B/G delirium that bad?
It's gonna be bad. Their FFL really has their heads up their ass concerning viability of archetypes, and their slow-to-correct reactions to the meta make standard hell until a new set comes out.
So you create this "maybe it'll get better" fallacy with each new set that just never comes to pass.
@Hero: BG Delirium has NO counters to the Graveyard. They can basically do what they want and get away with it.
There's effectively only two decks in the metagame, B/G and U/W Flash.
W/ the 18 month rotation, they changed to an approach of just pushing the crap out of individual cards, and it was just completely stupid.
Infinite Stars
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I love how the middle question is basically anything but Standard since BFZ. It's not been a question of actual deckbuilding and theory except at the actual pro tour, because there's no way to beat BG Delirium and UW Flash beyond "Get lucky". Modern, even with it being heavily linear, still has diversity in terms of a best deck. Every other month a new deck pops up as "The best" (Jeskai Harbinger, Dredge, Bant Eldrazi, Infect).
Also, of course Wizards wants people to play standard, but no one is biting. People know that the best decks are basically cemented, but from what I've seen none of their desperation attempts have actually helped standard attendance. Not the Standard Showdown, not the emergency rotation change that is likely fucking over Amonkhet/Hour of Devastation, not their removal of the Precons for Planeswalker decks that have been somehow worse.
Honestly, between having to play Standard and shelling out $400 for a deck when I can play virtually the same experience(Midrange Creature fights) for free in Hearthstone turned me away, and that's with Team 5 not understanding balance.
I wouldn't say it's a bad thing to push individual cards(I actually liked how they pushed Emrakul to the point where PT EMN had decks running Pilgrim's Eye) but pushing Avacyn/Queller/Flayer as hard as they did is a mistake. When Bant CoCo was running Avacyn that should have been a red flag.
Wulfric
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This is it essentially. Unless Aether Revolt introduces a new archetype in standard to beat U/W and B/G or has good masterpieces, I don't see standard attendance budging an inch.
At this point, prerelease and draft is the only interaction I ever have with a new set. And quite frankly, I'm fine with that. It's much cheaper this way.
phazedplasma
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I was pumped for a GP in Denver (where I live). Even have 2 friends coming out for it.
But it being standard and me not playing UW or GB feels bad.
Standard has a lot of cool T1.5/T2 decks that just need an extra push.
Aether Revolt could do it, but I doubt it.
But it being standard and me not playing UW or GB feels bad.
Standard has a lot of cool T1.5/T2 decks that just need an extra push.
Aether Revolt could do it, but I doubt it.
Thankfully prereleases still feel like christmas
lol you can play strong decks like RG Energy Beatdown and Aetherworks Marvel...if they werent completely run out of the format by BG Delirium and UW Flash!
shrapnelmagnet
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Love this line. How many formats are there? 3 competitive? 1 insaneo? 1 casual? Rest are free form or hyper fringe.
It has to be "one of the greatest", by default
RE: Aether Revolt. I think there's no question that it will bring some new archetype or push another one up into the top tier. Kaladesh brought some wacky shit and I would bet Aether Revolt does as well. Not sure if it will solve the issues, in terms of graveyard silliness going unchecked, though.
Love this line. How many formats are there? 3 competitive? 1 insaneo? 1 casual? Rest are free form or hyper fringe.
It has to be "one of the greatest", by default
RE: Aether Revolt. I think there's no question that it will bring some new archetype or push another one up into the top tier. Kaladesh brought some wacky shit and I would bet Aether Revolt does as well. Not sure if it will solve the issues, in terms of graveyard silliness going unchecked, though.
Well you got
Standard
Limited
Modern
Legacy
Vintage
Pauper
EDH
Infinite Stars
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So 3 Competitive(Standard, Modern, and Limited), two casuals(EDH and Pauper), and two formats that are overwhelming played digitally and are basically on life support in Paper.
Doesn't really refute the point that Standard is by default "one of the best" in that context.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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Yeah it's not so much that they are printing weaker bombs but that they are printing worse answers.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Mind sharing your list. I'm looking for
Samurai should have been warriors or soldiers. Giving them their own type would have been like giving kami kami as type instead of spirit.
When I wake up later sure!
SigmasonicX
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This part of today's Latest Developments stood out to me
Compared to other obviously fake mechanics used as examples by previous Wizards articles, beatings doesn't seem too outside the realm of possibilities, the card itself seems fairly costed, and it works well with fabricate. I think it's fairly boring, and too similar to raid, but it's possible that they snuck in a mechanic preview for Aether Revolt. There isn't a disclaimer that it's a fake mechanic. I don't particularly think it's real, but I'm noting it in case it is.
Also, this Standard Showdown article features selected user comments, and given that they were heavily curated, it's amusing that one comment tells people not to worry about BG Delirium and WU Flash taking over tournaments, and that you can be successful with other decks at casual events like this.
The Daily Update also has some, "No guys, Standard is fine!" in it.
Compared to other obviously fake mechanics used as examples by previous Wizards articles, beatings doesn't seem too outside the realm of possibilities, the card itself seems fairly costed, and it works well with fabricate. I think it's fairly boring, and too similar to raid, but it's possible that they snuck in a mechanic preview for Aether Revolt. There isn't a disclaimer that it's a fake mechanic. I don't particularly think it's real, but I'm noting it in case it is.
Also, this Standard Showdown article features selected user comments, and given that they were heavily curated, it's amusing that one comment tells people not to worry about BG Delirium and WU Flash taking over tournaments, and that you can be successful with other decks at casual events like this.
The Daily Update also has some, "No guys, Standard is fine!" in it.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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I finally got to try out my sideboard against UW flash and it turns out not drawing sideboard cards at all is bad.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
I don't get the Showdown BS.
It's functionally identical to packs.
It's functionally identical to packs.
You know that meme of the dog that has no idea what he's doing?
I feel like this is where we're at.
It's worse. It's the bargain bin cards that no one wants. Shit mixed with gold
Desperation. Packs are a problem because they devalued median EV so much (I think)
I wonder if WotC's noticed that there's a correlation between lagging Standard attendance, the introduction of the Gatewatch/revised storytelling, and their new stance on (not) reprinting Modern-playable cards in Standard sets.
The main LGS in my town just announced that they'll no longer be firing Standard FNMs for the foreseeable future.
Infinite Stars
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Nah, I'd gladly take foils of some uncommons, like Anticipate when I played Standard, or even Blessed Alliance from EMN.
It's the rest of the shit that no one rightfully wants. No one wants a foil moorland Guest or something.
Damn, YJ's stopped firing Standard FNM? I knew they were adding modern but that's not a good sign.
Skyhaven's also had decreased attendance from a year ago. Standard fired with 8 people a few weeks ago vs 16+ in December of last year.
Aether Hub is a good one. Should be in the program.
I strongly suspect they overshot dramatically in how much they devalued Standard singles prices. Who wants to play a tournament for 4 boosters when you can just buy the cards you need for $20 online?
edit: uuhhhh...this might be bad:
Wulfric
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Lmao, I think this chap's being held at gunpoint:
Too bad the Grand Prix is in town next weekend. I guess all the LGSs will just have to crack those boosters all by themselves. That should add a few more copies of Lost Legacy to the local economy. ¯\_(ツ
_/¯Yeah, the one I posted about a month or so back (Ice Imports) is just the latest. I was shocked at how many it was, including ones like Ice and the store right on the UConn campus. It's been real bad here in the area for stores lately.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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Thanks, is open the vault good? The one time it was played against me it made another player win on the spot. Np Nihil Spellbomb / Relic of Progenitus / Tormod's Crypt?
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
That's what packs are anyways. It's the same shit as getting three random fucking packs.
It's sounding like fixing a "bug" may have inadvertently killed a major feature. And badly.
Wulfric
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Whoa, what's going on out there? That seems so bizarre for one area. We have a single LGS within a 15 minute drive of campus, and it does reasonably well. You have more options in the suburbs (where the retail space is cheaper I guess).
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
The problem is how stupidly pushed certain cards are now.
It leads to every deck having them and they aren't fun to begin with. Everyone whined about Rhino but you don't instantly lose to Rhino. You just take a drain three and Hero's Downfall it.
While we're at it reprint fucking Hero's Downfall.
It leads to every deck having them and they aren't fun to begin with. Everyone whined about Rhino but you don't instantly lose to Rhino. You just take a drain three and Hero's Downfall it.
While we're at it reprint fucking Hero's Downfall.
This on top of the other problem is VERY BAD. Both are issues.
They kept pushing single cards because of the fast rotation- but it turns out 12 months with them is STILL WAY TOO DAMN LONG. Haymaker battles suck.
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