Familienoberhauptvogel
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this Marvel Mirror makes me miss Bant CoCo mirrors.
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Magic: the Gathering |OT9| Kaladesh - Cruisin' Down the Street in my 6/4
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charlequin
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Because people are nuts for superfriends decks.
I think you're significantly underestimating the difference his ability costs make compared to Ob. +2 to draw what should be something like 1.5 cards on average means he's gonna get out of control really quickly, like Nahiri's +2 but with actual card advantage rather than just selection.
Very nice. Did you dress up?
Because most of Liliana's outfits are terrible.
Wulfric
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Stop, I can only get so erect. Two Ajani cards in one day... <3
Ajani, Valorous Protector 4GW
+2 : Put two +1/+1 counters on up to one target creature.
+1 : Reveal the top cards on your library until a creature card is revealed. Put it into your hand and put other cards bottom of your library in random
-11 : Put X +1/+1 counters on target creature, X is equal to your life total. That creature gains trample until end of turn
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From the Planeswalker deck I'm guessing. It's 185/184 after all.
Ajani, Valorous Protector 4GW
+2 : Put two +1/+1 counters on up to one target creature.
+1 : Reveal the top cards on your library until a creature card is revealed. Put it into your hand and put other cards bottom of your library in random
-11 : Put X +1/+1 counters on target creature, X is equal to your life total. That creature gains trample until end of turn
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From the Planeswalker deck I'm guessing. It's 185/184 after all.
Don't talk shit about my Waifu
SigmasonicX
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This doesn't seem as obviously bad as the previous two Planeswalker Deck cards. I could see someone making use of the +1 in a casual deck.
Wulfric
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Yeah, it's not terrible. The art isn't goofy like planeswalker deck Chandra either. I'm sure his deck will be some beast/humans thing.
Hmm... I wonder who's in the other planeswalker deck... can the face card be a villain? That would be a nice change of pace.
It's gotta be Tezz
charlequin
Banned
not her fault the creative people give her turdy outfits.
I don't really know what to make of two six-planeswalker blocks in a row. Maybe since there used to be an extra in the core set several years they're willing to call 11 per year the new standard now and so half the blocks will go up to 6?
I think that's part of it, yeah.
"We wanted to release a Niv-Mizzet card in honor of him finally getting that spark, but we decided against it because of planeswalker fatigue."
I'm also thinking they're doubling down too hard on the card type because they know it's the marquee cards and people want them BAD.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
at 6 mana I'm not looking for a PW that gets me ahead but one that closes out the game quickly or allows me to stabilize. He needs 4 activations to ultimate and only ends the game if you have a board.
He's super controllish basically smothering the opponent in CA but that's just not what I'm looking for in a 6CMC walker.
Uh? Ajani is totally setup now to be the "I made a mistake getting a friend killed, and I'm still grieving over it, so whoops I suck in combat now and I died!" trope.
Infinite Stars
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He's going to be the Obi-wan to the Gatewatch, getting killed is all but assured.
Alternatively, he's the Han Solo to the Gatewatch, meaning he'll die as he tries to redeem Zombie-Elspeth.
I played my UG Ezuri commander deck for the first time, it was a blast. Other decks had very little removal so all my creatures were like 18/18 at some point.
I didn't, maybe next time.
I didn't, maybe next time.
TheBlackMarvel
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I mean, wanting to take back something you feel was stolen from you is a fairly decent motivation.
Letting you choose the order slows the game down a little while you decide. They like to use random order when they don't want that to happen, so it makes sense that the PW deck ones would be random.
They don't want those to be +1 "stack your deck" in a deck without creatures or artifacts.
Admittedly those two cards are very bad in suchs decks, but still. I think by default whenever it's an indeterminate number of cards you're putting on the bottom they have you do it randomly.
Admittedly those two cards are very bad in suchs decks, but still. I think by default whenever it's an indeterminate number of cards you're putting on the bottom they have you do it randomly.
My issue with it is I thought they switched to 'in a random order' to speed things up. Why wouldn't the Ajani have that rider as well?
SigmasonicX
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It's more the fact that PW deck Ajani could potentially reveal a large number of cards, so random is better.
With a small number, it feels better to choose the order.
With a small number, it feels better to choose the order.
But it is consistent... The actual real Ajani is put in any order... and the actual Tezzeret is yet to be revealed...
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
The Tezzeret is totally EDH playable. Probably confirms no Esper Tezz which is bollocks, none corrupted Tezz is esper incarnate.
Joe Molotov
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So you're saying she's not bad, she's just drawn that way?
charlequin
Banned
I was thinking more about this wording since it is something I'm not used to seeing -- effects like this used to tell you to shuffle your library afterwards. What I realized is that this change is purely for play speed: if you dig through twenty cards you essentially have to shuffle anyway, but if you dig through three you can just shift 'em around in your hand a little bit rather than take the time to do a full proper shuffle of the deck.
Yeah I get the sense people are thinking about this like the Mentor of Heroes or Agent of Bolas abilities that are worth like .75 of a card draw, when it's actually more like the Caller of Beasts ability that is more like 1.25+ of a card draw.
Indeed.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
How often have you used chandra's 0 over her +1 or -X?
In paper, almost never.
In Duels, all the time. It's nuts with Sphinx's Revelation. Especially since it's a slower format. You also, occasionally, get incidental card advantage from things like Fiery Temper and Scrapheap Scrounger.
Based on how often I've seen Aetherwork's Marvel whiff on camera this weekend (in the 2 hours of coverage I watched), I'm still taking "1 guaranteed card over "1.25 average that could be zero" cards. Also, in this world of no constructed playable mana creatures, I don't think it's possible to have a deck be "24 lands, 36 hits" on a 6 mana planeswalker.
When Garruk, Caller of Beasts was legal, you also had access to 12 Elves (Mystic, Arbor, Avacyn Pilgrim), which were then replaced by great 2 drop accelerants in Sylvan Caryitd and Voyaging Satyr (with Nythkos), which allowed for decks with 36 hits. This card doesn't allow that.
If this card is over 3.99 by April I will be shocked. It's a Standard unplayable that will see some play early on (like Saheili and Doven did in Kaladesh) untill people realize it's garbage.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
I made the same mistake just recently speaking about sphinx tutelage in the same idea even. I wanted to make a sphinx tutelage turbofog deck of sorts.
Simply Sarah
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My mental shortcut for Ajani's +2 is just "draw gas". That's all I feel I really need to know about it. Yes, it might need to be gas next turn but in the absolute "worst case" you get three lands cleared from the top of your deck, which honestly isn't that much different than a later game Ancestral drawing three lands. A "miss" with it isn't the same as Marvel or CoCo because unless you shuffle after activation each card looked at is either action you draw or non-action that gets out of the way so you can draw action. It's not a bad ability; it's an absurd ability.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
that's what he's talking about. Like Batterskull it's quasi a creature I can play off Narset might be worth a consideration in my superfriends.
Infinite Stars
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I like the idea behind it, but I'm getting a nagging sense that Alternative Crew Costs is going to be a thing beyond this card. Every Artifact Block they've managed to break something, and I don't have enough trust in Development to not have this happen in Aether Revolt.
It does let you keep Gideon at 4 Loyalty in the event you draw another so you can Anthem him.
It does let you keep Gideon at 4 Loyalty in the event you draw another so you can Anthem him.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
It's bullshit nonsense of the type we were already bitching about.
Gideon plus this fucking thing is dumb.
Gideon plus this fucking thing is dumb.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
The reason its probably not great is that you'd have to actually have a Planeswalker to make it good. But I don't really like them going into that because I could see it being dumb.
divisionbyzorro
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Step 1: Donate a Heart of Kiran
Step 2: Mindslaver your opponent.
Step 3: Sacrifice all of their planeswalkers.
Step 2: Mindslaver your opponent.
Step 3: Sacrifice all of their planeswalkers.
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