This is where we'll disagree: many of the players in my area (at different LGS) have stated that they feel draft is just too much money investment to get into; that the entry fee is too much for cards they'll likely not care about after using. It may be a southern thing, that Magic players are too strapped for cash.
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Magic: the Gathering |OT9| Kaladesh - Cruisin' Down the Street in my 6/4
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This is where we'll disagree: many of the players in my area (at different LGS) have stated that they feel draft is just too much money investment to get into; that the entry fee is too much for cards they'll likely not care about after using. It may be a southern thing, that Magic players are too strapped for cash.
This was Elixir. If decks couldn't stall like that it effectively capped the lifegain potential.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
I don't think you would be surprised, but some people would, at how my ultra-casual friends LOVE when I bring over a box and suggest we play Sealed vs. bringing over some EDH decks or whatever.
The idea of Limited has a lot of appeal to the type of casual player that hates the idea of paying to win, actually.
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Transhuman
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The draft I won with a deck made of two Pack Rats, 37 swamps and an Ultimate Price was the height of skill and I reject any claim otherwise.
Mishra's Bauble should've been a masterpiece.
Mishra's Bauble should've been a masterpiece.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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There's also shamble back but sorcery and instant speed make a hell of a differenceI mean, Not Forgotten exists already. Even though Beckon is cheaper and Instant, I don't think it'd be strong enough to be sufficient graveyard hate in this format.
being able to disrupt delirium at instant speed, to exile emrakul exactly when they go for a regrowth on her and such would be most of the reason to run these.
Etrian Oddity
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As someone who loved flooding the boards with Zombies back in the Sidisi days, I'm very disappointed with the current lame zombie builds and graveyard dynamics in standard.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Mishra's Bauble is a card they should just put in a random Commander deck to make it cheaper instead of randomly being expensive.
Hear hear! There's no reason this card costs what it does other than stupidity.
FreedomFrisbee
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I think a lot of the standard criticism is kind of missing an obvious point.
Standard is having problems as a consequence of the quality of the past couple of standard seasons, not as a consequence of how standard is now. Changing current standard won't undo 4 color standard and coco standard. That's what this is a reaction to.
It's like when there's a lot of hype going into a game or movie release. Regardless of how that game or movie actually is it'll still sell gangbusters. But if turns out to be bad, the sequel won't sell nearly as well. We're literally experiencing this effect right now with standard rotation.
Not that I disagree with a lot of the criticism being thrown at wizards.
Standard is having problems as a consequence of the quality of the past couple of standard seasons, not as a consequence of how standard is now. Changing current standard won't undo 4 color standard and coco standard. That's what this is a reaction to.
It's like when there's a lot of hype going into a game or movie release. Regardless of how that game or movie actually is it'll still sell gangbusters. But if turns out to be bad, the sequel won't sell nearly as well. We're literally experiencing this effect right now with standard rotation.
Not that I disagree with a lot of the criticism being thrown at wizards.
Both of those were problems, but this standard is really unfun in a way those weren't because the cards suck to play against.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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I want to start working on my Akiri, Silas Voltron EDH deck. The first step is to narrow down the amount of creatures played as much as possible. I really just want essentials bar a few pet cards.
Currently I'm thinking
Am I missing any of the essential creatures for a voltron equipment deck? Running all swords the thopter combo, etc. etc. is porb too much to also run kaldratron.
Currently I'm thinking
not sure if I want the Breya combo in the deck or not and even if I want the combo if I want the redundancy of eldrazi displacer, with neither of my commanders having an ETB effect it's unlikely I get much use of the ability otherwise. I imagine Breya, KCI and Nim's Deathmantle would be enough when she isn't my commander. Probably gonna run a Snapcaster though.
Am I missing any of the essential creatures for a voltron equipment deck? Running all swords the thopter combo, etc. etc. is porb too much to also run kaldratron.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
First draft.
Edit: Damn it just remembered I have to cut a card to go down to 98.
Not sure I have enough card draw, mana ramp or can do shit about destroy all artifacts effects.
Edit: Damn it just remembered I have to cut a card to go down to 98.
When was the other time?
Did that deck play Elixir? I don't recall that but I could be remembering incorrectly. Was it Bant and they played Sphinx's Rev too? I remember that being a shitty period.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
paradoxical engine begs to be used with isochron scepter. Aetherflux storm needed better manarocks to be good with that in standard.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
It's 14 mana just play tooth and nail and win the game instead.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
IDK man I might play Planar Bridge in Tron.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
ehehe
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
I'm gonna make infinite mana with Cryptolith Rites plus Fabricate dudes and the Engine and sac them all to Vampiric Rites until I draw Decimator and win immediately.
Trust me it's the best 5 card combo in Standard.
I like how it has the text on it that Aetherworks Marvel *should* have on it.
Trust me it's the best 5 card combo in Standard.
I like how it has the text on it that Aetherworks Marvel *should* have on it.
The problem is the most common regrowths (Grapple and Liliana) don't target and mill as well. In my experience, the odds of keeping someone off of delirium by removing a single card from their yard is pretty slim.
[EDIT] Paradox Engine should be really strong with improvise and the quicksmith guys.
Simply Sarah
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This is actually an interesting thought. My main concern is that you'd still be taking a turn off when I'd rather be dropping Karn or something. It also doesn't optimize Eldrazi. I dunno.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
It's most important early turns but even late there's usually one type that only has 1 card in the GY which can possibly delay emrakul by a turn.
Eating a Grim Flayer that attacked as a 4/4 or denying an ishkanah trigger or traverse tutor would be huge blowouts.
As a one-of for the later game? I think this card is at least worth a look. Going to get an Ugin doesn't seem like a bad thing if you have excess mana floating about but no cards to play.
Holy christ it's a $40 card when it was a $20ish card a month ago.
blindrocket
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Frontier demand or Speculators speculating on Frontier.
Simply Sarah
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That's why I'm unsure. It's worth trying but it's not a slam dunk.
I think some of it may be a bit of a "run on the bank" type deals. Price started going back up, people were worried about missing out, and everyone went and started buying. I know I made sure to at least pick one up as a Commander option (maybe should have gotten a playset) when it started to tick back up. And then it shot up 50% from that price.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
I dunno if there's a deck that can ever really beat Aeons Torn if you drop it, castes or not, though.
I'd say Karn is probably better though. Stony Silence would fuck your day up if you were relying on Portal to get your wincons.
Simply Sarah
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Emrakul is nearly unstoppable if given a chance to stick and attack, yes. I'd probably see myself fetching Ugin or Karn more often with the current Modern, though. Dredge can potentially deal with the sac triggers and chump block (or even just take the hit) and then swing back, Infect/affinity/burn can just out speed Aeons Torn attacking turn 5 at earliest.
And yes, Stony Silence or Cage both completely shut down the Bridge either entirely or for creature fetching.
"God's Beard!"
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Ormendahl is pretty good against Emrakul. Pretty bad against Ulamog, though.
Silence already kinda hurts you early game though, so it's probably not worth worrying about.
[QUOTE="God's Beard!";227306608]Ormendahl is pretty good against Emrakul.[/QUOTE]Not seeing how Ormendhal is that great against Emrakul. It can block once, but only if you have more than 6 permanents, which seems like it'd be tricky after sacrificing 5 permanents. It seems like, at best, it'll buy you a turn.
SigmasonicX
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Given confirmation of a complete planar portal, I'm surprised Phyrexians aren't getting involved, and that Bolas apparently destroys it right away.
Paradox Engine is a super Johnny card, while Planar Bridge is kind of odd to have in the same block as Aetherworks Marvel.
Paradox Engine is a super Johnny card, while Planar Bridge is kind of odd to have in the same block as Aetherworks Marvel.
I thought the story shows Rashimi destroying it? Because she doesn't trust Tezzeret with it? Am I misremembering that?
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
[QUOTE="God's Beard!";227306608]Ormendahl is pretty good against Emrakul. Pretty bad against Ulamog, though.[/QUOTE]
We're talking about dropping the Aeons Torn in Modern.
We're talking about dropping the Aeons Torn in Modern.
SigmasonicX
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I don't think it does. I think it has a playful allusion to Bolas in the art, but that's Tezzeret and Tezzeret alone standing there. If you mean mechanically, I also don't agree. The portal is already broken by this point.
Etrian Oddity
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So Dark Imitations is only half useful in Standard until Amonkhet arrives, right? Or are we getting a surprise elder dragon in Aether Revolt?
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Nah, its in Amonkhet.
An extra loyalty counter isn't worth very much unless Bolas has a weird design, e.g. he has no plus but his ultimate costs one more loyalty than he enters the battlefield with (which they aren't gonna do since everyone hated Sarkhan 2)
Could be anything casting that shadow. It's an allusion.
in·ti·ma·tion
ˌin(t)əˈmāSH(ən/
noun
an indication or hint.
"the first intimations of trouble"
synonyms: suggestion, hint, indication, sign, signal, inkling, suspicion, impression; More
the action of making something known, especially in an indirect way.
"it took ten years from the intimation of a claim to the assessment of damages"
I would still argue that he's not actually there, especially given the name of the card.
DashReindeer
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Moneyyyyyy. I have so many of these. Fishing them out of my boxes right now...
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