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Magic: the Gathering |OT9| Kaladesh - Cruisin' Down the Street in my 6/4
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charlequin
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I mean, I'm not saying it's impossible or nobody can do it well, just that it's one of those things where I don't blame the team for not wanting to deal with it.
you think this is circular topics? Don't step foot into the Dragon ball super thread.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
we've been over this, it's their decision but it's neither reasonable nor is Magic still just using fantasy settings.
I mean we're literally in a set where it looks like people are using railguns.
We have magic robots though.
Infinite Stars
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Mental Misstep is the hero that Standard needs. Gotta counter all those Thraben Inspectors.
Wait, no, one better. The best way to fix Standard is with a little bit of BALANCE.
(Balance wouldn't even hit Smuggler's Copter smh)
SigmasonicX
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Drive to Work - Innistrad Showdown
MaRo compares the two Innistrad block mechanics. He howls a lot, which I think was to intentionally annoy his teenage daughter, who's often in the car when he records these.
Some interesting things are:
* Innistrad beats Shadows, but just barely. The former had a stronger start, but was brought down by fateful hour and Avacyn Restored.
* Despite the changes to madness to make it easier to understand, it didn't appear to have any effect on player confusion. Thus, it's unlikely to return.
* People were really confused by soulbond, so it's unlikely to return.
* Skulk was planned as an evergreen mechanic, but now it's unlikely to return even as a normal mechanic.
* Miracle had a very mixed reception, with some loving it and others absolutely hating it. MaRo likes it a lot.
* Miracle was planned to return in Shadows over Innistrad, but they decided not to do it. I'm guessing we would have seen black miracles.
* Investigate and meld were very popular, and are guaranteed to return.
* He seems pretty confident that emerge will return.
* He views escalate as a solid mechanic, but it wasn't the right one for Eldritch Moon. The flavor was a stretch and it didn't mechanically fit.
MaRo compares the two Innistrad block mechanics. He howls a lot, which I think was to intentionally annoy his teenage daughter, who's often in the car when he records these.
Some interesting things are:
* Innistrad beats Shadows, but just barely. The former had a stronger start, but was brought down by fateful hour and Avacyn Restored.
* Despite the changes to madness to make it easier to understand, it didn't appear to have any effect on player confusion. Thus, it's unlikely to return.
* People were really confused by soulbond, so it's unlikely to return.
* Skulk was planned as an evergreen mechanic, but now it's unlikely to return even as a normal mechanic.
* Miracle had a very mixed reception, with some loving it and others absolutely hating it. MaRo likes it a lot.
* Miracle was planned to return in Shadows over Innistrad, but they decided not to do it. I'm guessing we would have seen black miracles.
* Investigate and meld were very popular, and are guaranteed to return.
* He seems pretty confident that emerge will return.
* He views escalate as a solid mechanic, but it wasn't the right one for Eldritch Moon. The flavor was a stretch and it didn't mechanically fit.
... oh god.
TheBlackMarvel
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Is madness complicated?!? Or soulbond for that matter?
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
madness is pretty complicated. It's easy in execution but pretty complex in procedure.
SigmasonicX
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If it makes you feel better, she seems to be pretty used to it. In one Drive to Work, she answered questions from Twitter, and one asked what's the most embarrassing thing her father did. She explained that she doesn't really get embarrassed anymore. She used to get embarrassed whenever MaRo would do a silly dance in front of her friends, but she eventually realized her friends were laughing at him and it didn't affect their views of her. This stuck out to me because MaRo seemed genuinely surprised at how mature she was about it.
As for soulbond, confusion comes from:
* Players not clearly indicating which creatures are bound. Yes, you can put them next to each other, but that doesn't help on a clogged board where everything is close together.
* It's easy to miss unpaired soulbond creatures already on the battlefield, which have the potential to bond with a new creature.
I imagine giving soulbond creatures a new frame would help a lot, along with an overlay card meant to indicate a bond.
Anyway, one other thing I forgot to mention.
* MaRo really likes the gameplay of delirium, but it proved to be much more confusing to players than they expected, making it unlikely to return.
Infinite Stars
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Madness also suffers from an issue of eating up set space. If you have madness in a set, even if it's only in 3 colours(much like SoI), you've still got to have an Asfan in draft that has enough madness cards and enablers to have a mechanic function in limited. No one wants to have a deck with 4+ Madness cards and no way to get them out using it, as the difference between Fiery Temper cast regularly vs Madness is huge even in limited.
I mean, compare Madness to the other mechanics in SoI: you've got DFC, which are independent, Delirium(nearly every card with Delirium is fine without it but gets better with it) and Investigate(no cards call for the sacking of clues that themselves don't generate clues, also a mechanic that feels good when you get to use it). Madness just eats up a large part of the set in order to work well in Draft, while also being confusing to some players.
I never got why they made Fateful Hour though be 5 life and not some other number (7 maybe?)
I mean, compare Madness to the other mechanics in SoI: you've got DFC, which are independent, Delirium(nearly every card with Delirium is fine without it but gets better with it) and Investigate(no cards call for the sacking of clues that themselves don't generate clues, also a mechanic that feels good when you get to use it). Madness just eats up a large part of the set in order to work well in Draft, while also being confusing to some players.
I never got why they made Fateful Hour though be 5 life and not some other number (7 maybe?)
shrapnelmagnet
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They have done guns exactly once- Portal Second Age
Love that card, am actually on the hunt for some copies right now.
Modern legal version:
Also, another with a gun:
And automobiles. Which they have somehow invented before guns.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Izzet has electricity
we have this as well, whatever it is.
The no guns rule is really just stubbornness more than anything.
Izzet has electricity
we have this as well, whatever it is.
The no guns rule is really just stubbornness more than anything.
It's a shame that WotC was absorbed by Wayne Industries in that merger.
Izzet has electricity
we have this as well, whatever it is.
The no guns rule is really just stubbornness more than anything.
Aether Shooters
shrapnelmagnet
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I believe that's how it works- both are destroyed after blockers are finalized / ordering of blockers.
Even if something were to somehow remove it from combat or blockers are switched.
Ravnica and Kaladesh get to toe the line of sci-fi because of their themes. Having actual, mechanical guns show up in Magic prominently would be odd. Having some sort of magic-based projectile weapon that happens to have a trigger is less egregious, but still somewhat problematic. I suspect, when they do a western themed set, guns will be replaced with magic wands or something else less gun-like. Maybe walkie-talkies.
shrapnelmagnet
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Cannons are kinda sweet though.
Magic Revolvers?
shrapnelmagnet
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I think the Guns thing comes down to mechanics a bit. Archers / bow & crossbow creatures usually have Reach and / or deal with fliers. I think you'd want to follow the same logic and Reach / flier-hate seems kinda shallow and not interesting.
But yeah, there are all sorts of "weapons" already. Feels like there is a lot of variety as it is with "magic" shooters. Predator, Flagship, for example, is def shooting something
Really looking forward to Aether Revolt and Amonket though. I feel like more Crocodiles are in our future lol
I think the Guns thing comes down to mechanics a bit. Archers / bow & crossbow creatures usually have Reach and / or deal with fliers. I think you'd want to follow the same logic and Reach / flier-hate seems kinda shallow and not interesting.
But yeah, there are all sorts of "weapons" already. Feels like there is a lot of variety already. Predator, Flagship, for example, is def shooting something
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Really looking forward to Aether Revolt and Amonket though. I feel like more Crocodiles are in our future lol
I think the guns in the block that I'd have in mind would have an emphasis on first strike because of gunslinger Quickdraw and whatnot. Something like card with skulk transform into card with first strike for citizen/outlaw
shrapnelmagnet
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Yeah, that could be neat, and / or maybe creatures that deal damage when they are targeted.
Also: After playing Duels more and more, I feel like the set symbol should be more prevalent in the packaging. Maybe just the online component, but the set symbol and set packaging seem super divorced and I don't know if that is deliberate or an oversight. If I look at a card from Shadows and a card from Eldritch Moon, then look at the packaging, I have no idea which one came from which. Dunno, maybe that's just me.
Wulfric
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Huh, I think you have a point. You can tell cards apart, but you still don't know which set symbol belongs to which box. Maybe they can put it up front where the planeswalker logo usually is. Although you can still use the set identifier on the bottom left of the card.
Basically, replace the symbol on the right with the set symbol would solve this issue.
I think the Guns thing comes down to mechanics a bit. Archers / bow & crossbow creatures usually have Reach and / or deal with fliers. I think you'd want to follow the same logic and Reach / flier-hate seems kinda shallow and not interesting.
But yeah, there are all sorts of "weapons" already. Feels like there is a lot of variety as it is with "magic" shooters. Predator, Flagship, for example, is def shooting something
Really looking forward to Aether Revolt and Amonket though. I feel like more Crocodiles are in our future lol
My favorite card in my Karn deck when I hit infinite mana. Boom the board blows up. PULL! BOOM! PULL! BOOM!
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Crossbows have always been less pronounced in magic than bow and arrow, crossbowmen don't usually have reach, they often ping though. I think guns would just fill that spot, a set with guns would underemphasize toughness more than anything.
Innistrad remains the most egregious set for the lack of guns. Kaladesh and Ravnica are based on a sci-fi setting that gives room for much more timeless designs, meanwhile Innistrad evokes a very particular time in our history and designs that are simply synonymous with guns.
TheBlackMarvel
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Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Open a masterpiece.
Seriously though
Seriously though
- complete my merfolk sideboard
Wulfric
Member
What are you missing?
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
most of it, hurkyls, tec edges, relics
also need 2 more mutavaults for the mainboard and 1 or to 2 Cavern of Souls. Once I get fancy I also need to buy minamo and oboro.
also need 2 more mutavaults for the mainboard and 1 or to 2 Cavern of Souls. Once I get fancy I also need to buy minamo and oboro.
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Transhuman
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- Finish my Shadowborn Apostle playset
- Win another PPTQ drunk
- Convince someone Mystic Remora is a good Commander card
- Have a modern deck
- Play a game of modern
You play any Conspiracy cards in that DnT?
I play d&t also and am on a 2/2 split, also haven't tried palace jailer. Seems reasonable, but realistically I doubt he is better than Gideon who is a house.
Maybe better in a 1/1 split considering he can be tutored up with by recruiter.
Goals for the year...
Play more legacy
SigmasonicX
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Going to make the new thread later today (or rather, I'll post the first two posts here and have charlequin split them off). Currently the most popular thread title is "That shit that make your soul burn slow", so last chance for any challengers.
Also, be sure to look through my draft and tell me if there's anything you want to see there, or if there's anything else I should change.
Also, be sure to look through my draft and tell me if there's anything you want to see there, or if there's anything else I should change.
Part of me wants to find a pun that replaces "shit" because I feel like it's not good to have in a thread title. But I honestly can't think of one off the top of my head.
shrapnelmagnet
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Yeah, on the box would be a start. Incorporating it on the booster itself is where I thought it would have the most impact. Just interesting that there's no connection as far as I can tell.
I love Legacy Weapon for this
With infinite mana, playing Skyship Weatherlight and putting Legacy Weapon into play, blowing up everything: The best.It's funny that the story gets shit on, but as a "new" Magic player (2013), I love the Weatherlight stuff. I haven't read anything nor do I intend to... but when I first started searching cards and I saw the Weatherlight-related ones, I found them super interesting and was drawn to them.
That's true RE: Crossbows. Also, Javelins have a place, too - as far as I can tell they always hit things based on combat (attacking / blocking).
PS: Where's Magic's trebuchet? There are goofy catapults and battering rams...
TheBlackMarvel
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It was like this for me at the time too. Selenia and Crovax's story is what got me into Magic in the first place.
EDIT: That being, what we could piece together from the various cards. Didn't even know there was non-card/videogame Magic media for a good few years when I started playing.
shrapnelmagnet
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MtG resolution time! Or shall we say oath?
I resolve:
What about you?
- to actually win a PPTQ
- practice legacy more often
- qualify for and attend a WMCQ
- Draft new sets. AKA: Draft more than twice a year
- Attend GP Vancouver, even if the price is absurd. AKA: Get a playmat
Yeah, I only know what's up with some characters based on the cards I saw and eventually I wiki'd them, discovering a multitude of books / stories.
Now, I casually follow the story with the recaps and stuff posted in these threads. A lot of early Magic stories completely baffle me that they are actually real lol
Out of curiosity which stories stand out as the most baffling?
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