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Major ISPs rolling out Copyright Alert System 'in the coming weeks'
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zephervack
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Holy shit, fuck that.
So they will be monitoring everything that happens in my own network, even my work stuff/personal stuff?
The article says they wont but they have to check everything to flag the wrong stuff...
So they will be monitoring everything that happens in my own network, even my work stuff/personal stuff?
The article says they wont but they have to check everything to flag the wrong stuff...
The Internet will be less and less free as long as people commit piracy. It's a damn shame.
I think it's more of an added detection program at the ISP level.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
Member
Awesome logic.
Zoe
Member
How would they get access to your own network?
Unless you use one of their routers, it will only go as far as the modem.
Is Google piracy-friendly?
what...
zephervack
Member
They probably have a "white list" of domains they know have legal stuff, anything else is illegal
Bboy AJ
My dog was murdered by a 3.5mm audio port and I will not rest until the standard is dead
Show me your papers.
nVidiot_Whore
Banned
Copyright holders do the monitoring, not the ISPs.
They do it by...
Downloading the same file you are on a P2P network.
You are basically caught red handed by the copyright holder, or someone representing them (in this case, a 3rd party agency funded by copyright holder groups is handling it).. who turns you in to your ISP for a serious of numerous "warnings" before they do anything.
Cry more America
They do it by...
Downloading the same file you are on a P2P network.
You are basically caught red handed by the copyright holder, or someone representing them (in this case, a 3rd party agency funded by copyright holder groups is handling it).. who turns you in to your ISP for a serious of numerous "warnings" before they do anything.
Cry more America
Wuthering_Heights
Banned
Fucking love Cox.
None of this nanny state business, no bandwidth caps. Just good service.
we ditched cox for att uverse because of the price
might have to go back if they are not on the list, doubt they arent
400 gigs, buried inside the legal agreement stuff. they just dont say it upfront
It's also in their financial interests to not piss off content providers.
I'm very interested in finding out exactly how the automated and human systems interact within this...
There will be false positives, unfortunately.
So all this monitoring is happening why? As long as businesses get their IP used without consent more and more programs will be created to monitor and stop it. It's common sense and happening all the time. My ISP already does this. You get caught they will cancel your account on 3rd violation.
Edit: war on drugs isn't even close to the same thing.
RiccochetJ
Gold Member
I would like to think that this is their effort to stave off government intervention.
pigeon interrupted
Member
I would love to know how this system works. Normally when there's a bit of sabre rattling going on, they are usually referring to torrent traffic. I wonder if they will start scrutinising people who download large amounts, or if they will be implementing some kind of dynamic blacklist and using deep packet inspection.
EDIT: Never mind, same old system with a new lick of paint. Again.
EDIT: Never mind, same old system with a new lick of paint. Again.
Wuthering_Heights
Banned
Well, 400 gigs may as well be unlimited =P
Essentially this is the same system they've always had, it's just more streamlined. The notices would come from the copyright holder, not your ISP. It's the same mass-mailing warnings to people on the P2P list from popular torrents. I doubt direct downloads are even effected by this.
JetBlackPanda
Member
I don't understand.. if you don't commit a crime this is not a problem?
right?
right?
nVidiot_Whore
Banned
You don't even need encryption..
The CAS only affects P2P, the "monitoring" is done outside of the ISP itself.. on.. the internet.
I can "monitor" who is downloading a torrent by simply.. downloading that torrent.
I can't monitor your newsgroup activity unless I am the ISP itself.. and that is not what is happening here.
This is very similar to what YouTube is expected to provide to copyright holders.. a system for reporting abuse of their network.
Schadenfreude
Member
Do you now?
Anywho, my internet service provider is in that list. Unfortunately, it's the cheapest and most reliable in this town, so i'm gonna have to stick with them.
Phantast2k
Member
People commit rape and murder, would you like someone to follow you around 24/7?
replicashooter
Banned
Quick, download the internet STAT.
nVidiot_Whore
Banned
It's P2P only.
And no, the notices don't come from the copyright holder.
They come from your ISP. After the agency representing the copyright holders turns you in.
I've read ISP reps claiming it would take numerous reports of illegal activity before they even send you your first warning.
Wuthering_Heights
Banned
Do you now?
Oh, ho, ho! I see what you did there!
That logic makes about as much sense as hearing that the police can invade your home at a whim and replying to it by saying so long as people have drugs our privacy will be more and more infringed upon. Obviously not the same caliber, but the point is the same. Overly restrictive methods to get rid of crime is not somehow something that's simply the fault of the criminals. There's plenty of blame to hand to the people who actually decide to go with overly restrictive methods.
nVidiot_Whore
Banned
It's essentially a replacement for the mass-lawsuits that the RIAA/MPAA ended several years ago.
Instead they asked the ISPs to help them.. to provide an efficient way to report illegal activity.. and warn, then eventually "meter".. then eventually cancel people's service..
For repeatedly and blatantly breaking the law.
nVidiot_Whore
Banned
And this is a system where:
- People are caught commiting a crime
- They are caught by the people who this crime is being commited against
- The service you used to commit that crime is alerted to your crime
- You are then given an extensive series of warnings
How is this again, overly restrictive?
How is it unreasonable for petty criminals to get a series of warnings before they lose a service that they can't seem to use without breaking the law?
nVidiot_Whore
Banned
jediyoshi
Member
This is good. I don't really use torrents anymore so I don't think this will affect me as long as they don't make it worse.
I thought this was how they were already monitoring P2P traffic.
Is the new system just a way of letting infringers know via the ISP?
nVidiot_Whore
Banned
I'm a little tired of it all.
"Oh no, they are going to stop me from doing a crime!! Through a series of extensive warnings!! I might have to commit that crime some other way!! While claiming I only download out of print or unavailable content, just like everyone else, while statistics prove the vast majority of downloaded content is not in fact out of print or otherwise unavailable for purchase!"
nVidiot_Whore
Banned
They've had to e-mail ISPs and ask them to do something about it. Various ISPs have handled that (or done nothing) over the years.
The ISPs did VERY LITTLE until the RIAA/MPAA started mass suing their customers.. then the RIAA/MPAA agreed to stop doing that.. the ISPs started sending out more "hey we know you do this, we will meter you" warnings to people.
But it was all very unstructured and sort of random.
This is just an organized approach.. more efficient.. more well defined.. and a more "standard" approach to it.
If you actually look into.. it couldn't be much more fair.
Your first "warning" can be dissolved by simply claiming you didn't secure your wireless well enough for example.
But it is correct to say there is no "new" monitoring being done. It's just a new system for reporting and warning people about the law breaking being done using their service.
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