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Major ISPs rolling out Copyright Alert System 'in the coming weeks'

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LordCanti

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If you aren't doing anything wrong, you don't have anythi - I can't even finish saying that with a straight face.

We should install cameras in everyone's computer rooms so that they won't download any copyrighted material. It's the only way to be sure.
 
Yeah, if you put it that way it kinda makes sense. I still think that if downloading from P2P and torrent networks are illegal for some, it should be for everyone, including copyright owners. Euthanasia isn't the same as murder, while piracy IS the same as piracy.

No.. downloading a file is downloading a file.

However, for one person to download a file it may not be piracy.

For instance... I can log into my computer remotely and download a file without breaking any laws.. since I didn't give you permission to do so.. you can't.

In both cases, the file download would likely be done the same way.
 

devilhawk

Member
Dude..

It's illegal.. it violates laws... it's a crime. English language.

There is no federal statute for punishment of this crime..

Hence why I've repeatedly said "petty crime" in this thread.

Do we really need to have the same stupid conversation?

I refuse to not call it a crime.. and I'm not going to point out why every time.
At least the Supreme Court and local or federal statutes get to define crimes and not random internet poster who refuses to agree.
 
At least the Supreme Court and local or federal statutes get to define crimes and not random internet poster who refuses to agree.

No.. they define federal criminal statutes..

The word "crime" is a generic term used for any violation of a law.

You are violating the law when you pirate something.

English language, use it.. if you want to keep pointing out the lack of a federal criminal statute in the United States of America for individual acts of piracy that aren't for profit be my guest.. I'll ignore it from now on and continue to properly use the English language.
 

devilhawk

Member
No.. they define federal criminal statutes..

The word "crime" is a generic term used for any violation of a law.

You are violating the law when you pirate something.

English language, use it.. if you want to keep pointing out the lack of a federal criminal statute in the United States of America for individual acts of piracy that aren't for profit be my guest.. I'll ignore it from now on and continue to properly use the English language.
Parking meter running out equals criminal. Good to know.
 

LordCanti

Member
It was pretty effective, the lists it pulls from indeed include several firms dedicated to tracking online firesharing. That I can confirm.

It's better than nothing I guess, but it doesn't stop a company from, say, signing up for a VPN and then using the VPN connection to hop on torrents and gather IP addresses. It's not quite entirely placebo, but if it gives you a false sense of security, it could be a bad thing.
 

massoluk

Banned
Well fuck.

A friend of a friend of mine will not be pleased with all those porns in the recently filled 2 TB External Harddrives.
 

Gr1mLock

Passing metallic gas
This is going to backfire in their faces SO hard. Perfect time for small companies to come in and do shit right.
 

LordCanti

Member
This is going to backfire in their faces SO hard. Perfect time for small companies to come in and do shit right.

They can't though, that's the problem. Google is only coming in because they are enormous and able to throw a huge amount of cash at the issue. In most places, no small competitor can compete.

Sonic.net

No caps
No spy shit

Hooray for local ISPs!

The only local ISP here is Google Fiber, but I can't get it yet ;_;

Well fuck.

A friend of a friend of mine will not be pleased with all those porns in the recently filled 2 TB External Harddrives.

Should have streamed it. Your friend, that is. Unless he's a videophile, I guess.
 

A.E Suggs

Member
I don't care, wasn't afraid when sopa and pipa were being pushed, not afraid now. Eventually sopa and pipa will be put in effect though and I don't know why people think its over with just because they couldn't pass it this year.
 

strobogo

Banned
Everything is illegal, though. Linking pictures can be considered breach of copyright. Be it hotlinking or saving them and uploading them through photobucket. As is the majority of videos on Youtube and pretty much all porn tube sites.

Dark days are coming, gentlemen.
 

jorma

is now taking requests
And what do ISPs get out of this?

First of all.. remove yourself from the selfish childish reality you've create for yourself where a company that knows you are rampantly breaking the law has no reason to do something about it.

Take a deep breath after reading that sentence.. but try if you will to imagine any other business where the public would DEMAND they ignore rampant petty lawbreaking?

So the fact that they are doing something about rampant petty lawbreaking SHOULD simply be an EXPECTATION from society.

So it gives them INTEGRITY.

Beyond that, what does this system do?

Makes it cheaper for them to do something about it.. largely funded by copyright holders.. you know.. the people who are the victims of the petty crime we are discussing.

Because the copyright holders created software and other systems for the ISPs to implement.. so they didn't have to have employees sit around getting and writing e-mails.. or coming up with their own system to maintain the basic integrity of doing something about rampant obvious lawbreaking, because society should expect them too.

It's a more organized and cheap way to do what they should be doing.

I'm sorry but that's not how the ISP's in my country feel that they gain "integrity". Quite the opposite. I like it that way.
 
I'm gonna be nice with my Cox overseer. I'll just stick to what I usually do, and if he's cool with my internet activities, I'll give him some free porn to skim through here and there. Everybody wins!
 

Cat Party

Member
The thing I'm worried about is streaming and whatnot being effected, since it's a lot easier to watch a Youtube video that's technically illegal content than it is to feign innocence about torrenting something. It'd be a real shame if one day watching clips/making mashups/making edits would land you a naughty notice from an ISP.

Agreed about streaming. I don't care if they target P2P, though.
 

Valnen

Member
I thought something like this was already around because I had a bad roommate at one point who was torrenting shit and he got me a few warnings. Never having open wifi for people like that again.
 
I thought something like this was already around because I had a bad roommate at one point who was torrenting shit and he got me a few warnings. Never having open wifi for people like that again.

It's a more defined and organised approach to what they have already been doing.

It involved the creation of educational material, software written to force the warnings to show up in your browser (after initial passive e-mail warnings), etc.

That's all this is.

This isn't a law.. this isn't SOPA/PIPA..

And it is the exact same thing this forum has probably discussed numerous times before.. because this also isn't "new news." This system was discussed over a year ago IIRC, they are just finally getting around to implementing it.

From June of 2011

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=436519

And you can see the same instant knee-jerk reaction and assumptions going on.. and of course yours truly having the same conversations, lol.
 

RionaaM

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Piracy is the act of downloading copyrighted material without permission. The copyright owner inherently has permission to download their own intellectual property.

It's basic and fundamental property rights. They literally can't infringe on what they own - they own it.
They may not be infringing any copyright law, but the files were uploaded in an illegal way. That's what I mean, that the owners are downloading the content from an unlicensed and unauthorized source. I thought that was kinda funny, but didn't know it was legal. Thanks for the clarification.

No.. downloading a file is downloading a file.

However, for one person to download a file it may not be piracy.

For instance... I can log into my computer remotely and download a file without breaking any laws.. since I didn't give you permission to do so.. you can't.

In both cases, the file download would likely be done the same way.
Yes, but that file isn't hosted in an illegal way, nor uploaded to the web against the maker's and property owner's (in this case, you) will. But I get what you're saying, and I said to FLEABttn, I'm fairly ignorant regarding copyright and piracy laws, so that's why I thought IP owners may become guilty of what they wanted to fight. Also, sorry to derail the thread this much.
 

zychi

Banned
so what happens if someone downloads a cd that was on itunes but was shared because it doesnt have any drm? the file(s) were originaly uploaded legally by apple, but are being shared via torrent? is apple now liable because they technically shared the files with someone who torrents? the original owner told apple it was fine to upload said cd, but now that version is being shared like someone recorded it off the radio.
 

LordCanti

Member
so what happens if someone downloads a cd that was on itunes but was shared because it doesnt have any drm? the file(s) were originaly uploaded legally by apple, but are being shared via torrent? is apple now liable because they technically shared the files with someone who torrents? the original owner told apple it was fine to upload said cd, but now that version is being shared like someone recorded it off the radio.

....Wut?

If you buy a CD from itunes, that is legal. If you then share that music, that is not legal. Itunes is basically selling you a single license to use that music, that you aren't allowed to either transfer to someone else or reproduce.
 

jorma

is now taking requests
Well it's my opinion.

I am WELL AWARE that I am in the minority with this opinion.

You should then be well aware that the ISP's also know this. This is not something they WANT to do, because it's not something their customers want them to do.

There is more than likely a legislative threat behind this compliance is my contention. That's the only way you get a company to act against their own interests like this, by doing this they can only lose customers not gain them.
 

2MF

Member
Purchasing a physical product does not grant you the right to download said content from the internet. You simply own that physical product..

Are you sure about that? I've been curious about this for a while, I imagine it might depend on the country.

Morally I would say that you should have the right to download an equal or lower quality version of what you already own, because it's merely a shortcut to obtaining a backup. If I own a CD I can rip it to mp3 format, so why should I be forbidden from getting the mp3s from the Internet? The end result is the same and the process doesn't hurt anyone.
 

cajunator

Banned
Are you sure about that? I've been curious about this for a while, I imagine it might depend on the country.

Morally I would say that you should have the right to download an equal or lower quality version of what you already own, because it's merely a shortcut to obtaining a backup. If I own a CD I can rip it to mp3 format, so why should I be forbidden from getting the mp3s from the Internet? The end result is the same and the process doesn't hurt anyone.

This is how I feel about it.
 

pestul

Member
Any news on this being implemented with Canadian ISPs soon? I've tried to curb my Father's ways, but he's still torrenting all the fucking time. :S

And the comment about Newsgroups/SSL, well it seems some newsgroup providers are also implementing their own copyprotection algorithms lately and complying with DMCA takedown notices.
 

LordCanti

Member
Any news on this being implemented with Canadian ISPs soon? I've tried to curb my Father's ways, but he's still torrenting all the fucking time. :S

And the comment about Newsgroups/SSL, well it seems some newsgroup providers are also implementing their own copyprotection algorithms lately and complying with DMCA takedown notices.

I'm pretty sure they all comply with takedown notices. I hadn't heard about active filtering though.

October 19, 2013

Official data on the amount of pornograohy the average computer views in one year.

October 20, 2013

Official campaign launches to curb internet pornography usage, based on newly discovered data that concludes everyone is watching porn, even clergy.
 
Everything is illegal, though. Linking pictures can be considered breach of copyright. Be it hotlinking or saving them and uploading them through photobucket. As is the majority of videos on Youtube and pretty much all porn tube sites.

Dark days are coming, gentlemen.


Only for people who pirate material.
 

jorma

is now taking requests
http://torrentfreak.com/six-strikes-independent-expert-is-riaas-former-lobbying-firm-121022/

Next month the file-sharing habits of millions of BitTorrent users in the United States will be monitored as part of an agreement between the MPAA, RIAA, and all the major ISPs. To guarantee the accuracy of the evidence that will be used for the accusations the parties agreed to hire an impartial and independent technology expert. However, their commitment to this promise is now in doubt as the hired experts have turned out to be a former RIAA lobbying group.

Just in case anyone thought this was kosher.
 
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