Psychotext
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I've never seen the whole stopping thing. Is that something that happens in America?
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Malaysia Airlines flight en route from Amsterdam shot down over Ukraine; no survivors
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A LOT did that yesterday, was not able to follow todays live coverage.
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In some of the more rural places in America, it's custom to pull to the side of the road when a funeral procession goes by, kinda like how you do for emergency vehicles.
BlastProcessing
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Where I grew up, rural Texas, you pull over when you see a funeral procession and put your lights on as a show of respect. I am sure it isn't as prevalent as it was when I was young.
Colonel Sponsz
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It's a highway, what sort of a mess would you expect?
I've never heard of this happening and I'm from America. There's cars that block traffic so everyone can get through an intersection at once, and generally anything you would stop for normally (emergency vehicles, schoolbusses) does not apply with a divided median
It's probably a regional thing
People were told not to stop. Safety reasons.
The Australian family who lost all three of their children along with their grandfather released a public statement. I actually teared up reading it - it's heartbreaking.
http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/wes...999190188?nk=b4caf781761cc36fab06b89d354d5363
http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/wes...999190188?nk=b4caf781761cc36fab06b89d354d5363
There on a highway. They'd cause a pile-up.
Australia has announced it will be sending 100 Police and soldiers to assist in securing the crash site.
http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukr...00-extra-police-troops-to-ukraine-357878.html
Important Lobbying group in Germany that had been resistant in past now said they will support stronger sanctions against Russia.
http://www.handelsblatt.com/politik...tml?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukr...00-extra-police-troops-to-ukraine-357878.html
Important Lobbying group in Germany that had been resistant in past now said they will support stronger sanctions against Russia.
http://www.handelsblatt.com/politik...tml?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
Because the separatists are going to be reasonable and go along with this? Is Australia crazy? This is just going to get people killed and cause an international incident.
Netherlands has announced they are sending 40 Police/Military. I think you can call this Australia and Netherlands calling Russia's hand. Russia will either have to fold or risk a major escalation.
Honestly this is the language Putin speaks and understands the best.
At this point I wouldn't put anything past Putin. This is a bad idea.
Y'know more than a passenger plane being shot down did.
I don't think the international community is willing to compromise on this. The Netherlands will send their own 40-strong group and have pointedly recalled/barred military staff from holidays. I think all non-separatists hope that flooding the area with their people in excess of 10:1 to separatists will have the latter shut up, stand back and let them do their thing. It's a risky move, but hopefully it will work out.
Are 400 lives worth risking a war?
Not at all, I wasn't even going there.
With every country watching that particular part of the world though I find it hard to believe it would escalate over the couple of km the crash site rests in though.
This is what we're risking isn't it? A confrontation between western troops and Russian backed fighters?
Sorry pal I just edited to expand mine out a little.
We'll see, there seems to be no end to how far Putin is willing to escalate the situation.
He's got the whole of NATO and Australia watching him very closely. I think he know's when he's pushing it too far.
According to an article dutch phone companies had to cancel subscriptions of victims because looters were using their phones. They also had problems with credit cards of victims, because they were used after the crash.
Pretty sad story.
SymbiantXenos
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Im glad Holland and Australia are sending police/military to help secure the crash site. Britain should also.
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We are, along with Germany and Malaysia in addition to Netherlands and Australia.
The US has also offered troops for this group, which is being called the "Coalition of the grieving", however the Dutch, who are leading this have said that they won't be required at the moment.
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Please be the first person to enlist when the war starts since sanctions doesn't seem to be enough for you.
SymbiantXenos
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Good to see we will get involved. Waiting for the expected Russian response though.
The billionaires in Russia aren't happy I can tell you, and guess what, Putin needs them.
Good. I guarantee there won't be a single incident, Putin must know those five states are testing him. Kinda glad the they refused help from the US too, don't think they can be completely trusted to follow the Dutch lead.
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Well that escalated quickly, from sanctions aimed at individuals to war. How about meaningful sanctions first huh?
Do you think all Americans all rootin-tootin wild west cowboys or something?
quantumnerd
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And just when I thought the cold war couldn't get any hotter.
I never thought that a conflict outside of the middle east could be this important within my lifetime.
I never thought that a conflict outside of the middle east could be this important within my lifetime.
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I have been listening to experts for days on newsnight and the regular news saying how these sanctions are the very least they could be doing. I don't pretend to know what the right response is, but if you have all of these so called experts saying these are more or less meaningless then I think it says a lot.
What would you suggest then?
I think it depends more on who those 18 entities are. If they are from the financial and energy sectors it might be something.
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I just said, I don't know. I wish I did, but if the so called experts are to be believed, this isn't very significant.
I hope this is the case.
Most of the Australians will be federal police, some probably armed, some not. There might be a "small" deployment of soldiers as well. This isn't meant to be a military exercise and they shouldn't be seen as an invading force.
It's wise not to ask for US assistance at this stage, not because they're cowboys, but because there would be too much potential for tension and mistrust.
It's wise not to ask for US assistance at this stage, not because they're cowboys, but because there would be too much potential for tension and mistrust.
Nope, but I am close to quite a few former RAF servicemen who all seem to share the opinion that when part of a coalition force, the US chain of command does exactly what it wants to do, when it wants to do it, regardless of who's officially leading the operation - often causing confusion and unnecessary tension.
Boom!
I think U.S troops being there would just increase tension due to Russian-U.S rivalries. Nothing more or less.
Sure bro. If U.S sends troops it will most likely have to agree to Ukrainian and if part of the coalition, coalition's lead and rules no matter what. There is no issue with "trust to follow".
How high in the chain are you talking and what coalition are they referring to? Because I believe their opinion is false.
In almost all coalitions involving U.S, U.S was the lead, so of course they are going to do what they feel needs to be done.
So now that the investigation is on the way, I wonder what punishments the rebels will receive for shooting down the airliner.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHk7qxkv174#t=1111
Livestream of the plane with bodies landing in Eindhoven.
Livestream of the plane with bodies landing in Eindhoven.
ShinHayase
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You know time is not stopped in that picture right?
The cars in the picture on right side are traveling at about 100 to 120 KM/H and are just seeing the hearses for perhaps a few seconds.
As you can see, the cars further down the right road are indeed stopping as many, many did along the road.
CitizenVectron
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The Dutch and Australian special forces are currently preparing to leave for eastern Ukraine to secure the crash site. About 50 unarmed Dutch police officers and 100 unarmed Australian officers will be tasked with securing the site, and somewhere between 50-200 special forces soldiers will accompany them for protection.
http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2014/07/dutch_commandos_poised_to_leav.php
According to another article about the Australian forces, they will be ordered to only fire if fired upon.
So what happens if the rebels attack them? I imagine the undercover Russian soldiers would be ordered to avoid a situation, but the harder-to-control cossacks could conceivably do something stupid.
http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2014/07/dutch_commandos_poised_to_leav.php
According to another article about the Australian forces, they will be ordered to only fire if fired upon.
So what happens if the rebels attack them? I imagine the undercover Russian soldiers would be ordered to avoid a situation, but the harder-to-control cossacks could conceivably do something stupid.
something stupid like shooting down a commercial air line. I think its safe to say they are fully capable of dumb. And no one to answer to... immediately..
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