I still fail to understand what your point is exactly.
An airline pilot has a much better understanding of how their plane works than 99% of people who drive cars.
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Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 ended in the Southern Indian Ocean
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I still fail to understand what your point is exactly.
An airline pilot has a much better understanding of how their plane works than 99% of people who drive cars.
DrForester
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No one puts the blame of that San Fransisco crash anywhere near Boeing though. That was all pilot error. Not to mention the plane remained relatively intact upon landing and almost everyone survived.
That would do nothing for you considering...
1. You can't open doors or windows during flight
2. You'd pass out well before you'd get that parachute open even if you did get out.
How are you going to get out of the plane. You wouldn't know that you needed to do something until too late most likely.
ZeroGravity
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Cars are a practical necessity for modern life. It's very difficult to life your entire life without needing to use one. Planes, not so much.
There are basically zero feasible situations where that would help you.
criesofthepast
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The door, duh.
lol
Flying 30,000 feet in the air is un-natural to a lot of people so I don't know why people don't understand that many are still scared of flying no matter what statistics are thrown at them.
Rubbish. You can do just fine without a car provided you don't live in the sticks. Even here in a small city like pittsburgh if I wanted to I could live no problem using just public transit.
And unless you never want to go anywhere else or take a boat Planes are necessary and extremely safe.
Not if it went down over the ocean.
Widebody aircraft like the 777 have never been successfully ditched.
Twilight Gap
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Best case is a controlled water landing and they are floating in rafts waiting for rescue. I'm not terribly optimistic about that, though. Water landings on the open ocean are almost always catastrophic.
That's terrifying. Wouldn't a water landing make more sense though? Unless they wound up in the mountains, wouldn't a populated area near Beijing notice a downed plane?
terrisus
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Plus, its necessity is basically just a strawman anyway.
The fact is that planes are far, far, far safer than cars.
I was going to make a comment about how fear of planes might stem from some sort of feeling of helplessness in a plane, putting your life in the hands of someone relatively unknown with no possible way to influence the outcome. But I got sidetracked by the ad that is currently showing, from Finnair, urging me to take a shortcut to Asia. :/
Slayer-33
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If you are in a plane that crashes you are most likely going to die. It's a simple fact that some people fail to comprehend.
It's not the case with a car.
Point is, I would rather be in a car crash than a plane crash
Monado Blade
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What a horrible thing to wake up to on a Saturday morning. Hope we hear good news soon.
What about land? Does it have a chance?
GrayFoxPL
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What about having a job where you fly 10 times a month or more?
Btw I hope someone survives this.
DrForester
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Pilot forum I visit saying this was the last reported contact.
https://www.google.ca/maps?t=m&ll=4...+102°31'40.1"E&cid=0x0&output=classic&dg=ntvo
https://www.google.ca/maps?t=m&ll=4...+102°31'40.1"E&cid=0x0&output=classic&dg=ntvo
That's the thing, not all places have public transit.
As someone who lives in Pittsburgh and is from Maryland I think Pittsburghers don't realize how good their bus system is. Also, the majority of the country does not have good public transportation. You don't even have to live in the sticks to require a car.
A lot of cities even have city public transportation. If you happen to live in the suburbs your are probably SOL if you cant drive too. Doesn't have to be po dunk middle america.
Again, a widebody airplane will not survive a water landing attempt.
I'm not being morbid, just stating facts. I fly transoceanic flights multiple times a year, it's just something that I've come to terms with.
Yeah, the doors on a plane are inoperable at altitude. So I guess if the plane ripped open, sucked you out cleanly, and you didn't pass out, it might be useful.
terrisus
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Here, run these figures:
100*.00000000001*20
versus
1*.0001*100000
See which gives you a better chance of death, a 100% chance of dying in a plane crash, or a 1% of dying in a car crash
(Added in rough estimates of times you might go on each vehicle as well)
Note: I pulled the figures out of thin air. Feel free to substitute the actual rates of plane crashes, car crashes, and mortality factors of each.
Not it isn't hard to understand. Commercial airliners rarely crash. You do realize there are 50,000+ flights per day right? You're using mental gymnastics to somehow prove to yourself that cars are safe when in reality they are one of the most deadly things in the world.
Khalifa Jayy
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We're talking DEATH risk not accident risk.
I'm pretty sure the odds of dying due to death are 100% across the board. I could be wrong, though,
I don't think the flight crew or other passengers would be too thrilled by someone wearing a parachute during the flight, lol.
Serious mental gymnastics going on here.
Yes the idea of dying in a plane is scary.
However, planes are much safer than cars.
The stat you should care about is how many people die in a car accident daily vs. plane accidents. The rate of death because of accident is a non-factor. Especially because a fender bender can be a car crash. You are abusing the fact that plane accidents are catastrophic.
abstract alien
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Oh wow, that is a lot of people. I hate to assume the worst in a case like this, but it doesn't bode well at all. Fuck.
Squirrel Killer
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Are we seriously debating the rationality of an irrational fear?
KINGofCRA5H
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This is really scary
terrisus
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If people say they have an irrational fear of something, that's fine.
But, people are actually trying to argue that cars are safer than planes. And that's outright false.
Cars give the individual some semblance of control, which reduces fear even if the risk of death is higher. Planes are definitely safer, but when shit goes bad everyone hears about 200+ people dying all at once.
I was being completely-non serious about the parachute thing and I know about cabin pressurization and all that high-altitude jazz.
I hate planes because I get serious pressure headaches at high altitudes. Would rather drive 3 days than be in a plane for 6 hours to get to my relatives.
I was being completely-non serious about the parachute thing and I know about cabin pressurization and all that high-altitude jazz.
I hate planes because I get serious pressure headaches at high altitudes. Would rather drive 3 days than be in a plane for 6 hours to get to my relatives.
Nope. I understand fear. I understand the thought of being in a plane accident is scary.
Bingo.
ZeroGravity
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These are still vehicles. Unless you live in a place of 500 and can literally walk to anywhere else in town with ease, then you most likely need some sort of vehicle to get around. It's a necessity, and some degree of danger must be accepted in order to actually function in society.
Planes are a luxury. The majority of people get by just fine without ever needing to use one, and when they do, it's done so out of choice, not necessity. Most people are fine with accepting the very tiny risk that if something does go wrong, your life is almost guaranteed to be over. But stop trying to paint this bullshit car versus plane narrative as proof that there's something fundamentally wrong with people who don't like flying. It's not a valid comparison.
Turbowaffles
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But I require the use of my foot.
How is it in this day and age a plane can just lose contact with air traffic control? I just don't understand how all contact can be lost all of a sudden aside from an abrupt crash, which I really hope hasn't happened.
It's sad to say but in this situation I always tend to hope for the best, but assume the worst. :/
I'm not saying there is something wrong with them, I'm saying its ridiculous to somehow twist your mind to feel safer in a car given all the information out there. Most people on this planet get by without using a Car as well so it could easily be argued that they are a luxury of the developed world as well.
I think if the plane suddenly loses all engines and is basically gliding down, there is a chance that MAYBE you can survive assuming the pilot can find a place to land the plane.
However, given that the plane lost radio contact, it's likely there was an explosion and then the plane would be just free falling to its death.
Hoping for a miracle....
However, given that the plane lost radio contact, it's likely there was an explosion and then the plane would be just free falling to its death.
Hoping for a miracle....
What's the science behind why a widebody aircraft can't crash land in the ocean and survive?
Speaking of cars being safe. Have you ever been driving down the road and thought to yourself "if anyone driving down this highway swerved into me right now I'd probably be dead". Even worse, 2 lane roads where cars going the opposite direction are a few feet away from you. Someone could just drift over and kill you instantly. It's out of your control. So many people with your life in their hands every day.
Planes mostly fly themselves these days. Also there is a highly trained human at the helm. Anyone can be driving a car around you. Quality control on drivers doesn't exist.
Planes mostly fly themselves these days. Also there is a highly trained human at the helm. Anyone can be driving a car around you. Quality control on drivers doesn't exist.
DrForester
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Apparently the airline is reporting they lost contact 2 hours after takeoff, which would put them well over mainland Asia, and not the water.
Pretty much every time I am passing a tractor trailer truck.
This sentiment always annoys me. Show me the numbers specifically with a cautious driver that doesn't drink and drive. Oh, and that driver also has to be me in order to be applicable to me, because I am driving the car.
Ninja Of Chaos
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Is it possible to make airplanes where people are safe even after a crash? As in does physics allow for that?
juicyfruitas
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wow, the Kuala Lampur - BJ route is a very diverse and cosmopolitan grouping. There's a lot of Westerners and Asians of all flavors aboard so if the worse comes to light this will be a true International tragedy.
Hoping for the best, God willing
Hoping for the best, God willing
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