Kinky John
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Going to a country, and attempting to impose their will and customs on said country? This sounds familiar...
Yeah but we're the good guys! So, it different....or something.
Going to a country, and attempting to impose their will and customs on said country? This sounds familiar...
Please don't start the colonialism argument in this thread. If you want to have that discussion make a different thread.
What should they do?
Not saying it's not terrorism. Just don't think the media should report it as terrorism when there are a lot of unanswered questions around this, with some strange actions by the two who committed the attacks that don't fit in with other terrorist attacks.
Yes, they do. They wouldn't have a problem with these measures because most are integrated into our society. It's the extremists who call Jobseekers Allowance, Jihad Seekers Allowance that would have a problem and if they left the country then it would be a better place.
English lessons for all immigrants, an equivalency exam before granting citizenship, forcing the ghettoes apart, closing down radical Mosques that preach Sharia. No Islamic schools so that Muslim kids go to school with everyone. .
Should we completely generalize the entire Muslim community in the UK due to the actions of some?
I'll ask again, wouldn't "hard policing", as you put it, closing down community courts, religious schools, further escalate the tension? Wouldn't that anger people who are actually moderate and aren't "radicalized"?
So you're saying just Islamic Schools?
How do we know for sure this is what they teach in these schools?
Again NSFW/NSFL
Supposed video of that picture:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=EROXP8JDG9M
Somali?
Holy shit at the video on Channel 4 news. Assuming it was on ITV News earlier.
Doesn't look Somali tbh. More like west african.
Shut down Islamic schools, shut down any kind of Sharia "community courts", force all Islamic immigrants to integrate into British society, forcibly break up ghettoes and deport radical preachers and tell Strasbourg to fuck off.
Yes, they should. They should have years ago.
But, they won't.
Yeah, it's not as if they're a small part of a bigger picture or anything. Just isolated nutters. Sure.Two unstable deranged nutters, who would do something crazy like this - absolutely do not represent anyone other than themselves.
Definitely top three
wtf man...
Nigerian?
Absolutely sickening.
also
" ‏@Official_EDL 37m
EDL leader Tommy Robinson on way to Woolwich now, Take to the streets peeps ENOUGH IS ENOUGH"
Oh dear....tool.
Did you hear him talk ? Whatever his lineage that dude has been here since childhood.
Yes, they do. They wouldn't have a problem with these measures because most are integrated into our society. It's the extremists who call Jobseekers Allowance, Jihad Seekers Allowance that would have a problem and if they left the country then it would be a better place.
English lessons for all immigrants, an equivalency exam before granting citizenship, forcing the ghettoes apart, closing down radical Mosques that preach Sharia. No Islamic schools so that Muslim kids go to school with everyone. No special treatment.
Something must be done to curb CoE and Jewish extremism!Take it you're going to be shutting down CofE schools as well? And aren't there Jewish schools as well? That'll go down well.
The courts are completely arbitrary and deal with civili issues like divorce and financial disputes. The only legitimacy they have is for those who go to these meetings. An Imam could establish a "shariah court" in his living room using nothing but a sofa. The sole authority here is the word of these elders. What is there to shut down?
Definitely top three
Something must be done to curb CoE and Jewish extremism!
I'm with zomg on this one. I would go further actually as close all faith schools, religion can fuck off.
It has its good and bad areas pretty much like the rest or south east londonWhats the Woolwich area like usually? High crime etc?
I'm with zomg on this one. I would go further actually as close all faith schools, religion can fuck off.
Edit: saw the footage on itv, first thing I have ever seen that has made me want to throw up.
Great, because this situation really needs the Tommy Robinson sprinkles on it
My money's on some Boko Haram connection
If by this you are advocating the Muslim community as a whole to be targeted in such a way, then how would this lessen tensions and impede radicalisation? Would it not merely inflame and accelerate it?
Unfortunately the community needs targeting. We can dance around and pretend it doesn't, but it does. I'd hope that people would understand and help to oust the radical elements from their midst.If by this you are advocating the Muslim community as a whole to be targeted in such a way, then how would this lessen tensions and impede radicalisation? Would it not merely inflame and accelerate it?
Those videos are weird. Why did people stick around with a dead guy in the road, with the guy who has a machete walking towards them?
Whats the Woolwich area like usually? High crime etc?
Take it you're going to be shutting down CofE schools as well? And aren't there Jewish schools as well? That'll go down well.
Yeah everyone seems so calm. What confuses me the most is that woman seemingly laying down next to the murdered soldier. I'm starting to think I'm seeing things.
Unfortunately the community needs targeting. We can dance around and pretend it doesn't, but it does. I'd hope that people would understand and help to oust the radical elements from their midst.
Judging by his voice, probably raised, housed and educated by British society. Same as most of the July 7th bombers.Again NSFW/NSFL
Supposed video of that picture:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=EROXP8JDG9M
It's because it's the Islamic community that has a problem with extremism that the community leaders have not done enough to fix within the community and whatever the government are doing isn't working either.
Unfortunately the community needs targeting. We can dance around and pretend it doesn't, but it does. I'd hope that people would understand and help to oust the radical elements from their midst.
There were reports a group of women surrounded the victim so that the two assailants would stop attacking him.
Pretty high, unfortunately.
http://maps.met.police.uk/ (search Woolwich)
Not as bad as it used to be though, lol... =/ (lived here all my life, am about a 5 minute walk from the killing)