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[syllogism]

Yes because neither of these exist in Britain.

How do you propose to stop private bargaining, be it Sharia based or something else?

 

[PJV3]

Have you not heard about the Rochdale rape gang? Or the Oxford cases, 10 year old girls being sold as slaves by Pakistani gangs?

You're very ill informed and ignorant to pass it off as the Ukip vote, not to mention disrespectful to the victims

What about white sex abusers, am I responsible for them?
Focus on actual cunts, not wide groups.

 

[kurtrussell]

You're very ill informed and ignorant to pass it off as the Ukip vote, not to mention disrespectful to the victims

To be fair, it's not just him. That seems to be the stock response of the left to anything that highlights the problems Labour caused in their 15 years of fuck-upery. It's a quick and effective way of saying "lalalalala! Can't hear you" whilst simultaneously playing the racism card.

 

[D4Danger]

Nobody said 'murder' is awesome, but mislabeling and drawing knee-jerk conclusions based on stereotypes without an investigation and evidence is the attitude of fundamentalists, not rational people.

When the white guys shot up a movie theater or a school, that isn't terrorism, they're just crazy. But if they happened to be Muslim...?

Terrorism intrinsically requires some sort of coercion toward a political objective. Unless these people had a manifesto that I haven't yet heard about, or are actively connected to terrorist cells and organizations, it shouldn't yet be labeled as terrorism.

You guys are correlating a commonality in modern terrorists (being Muslim) with these murderers, and then crafting your own causal narrative without actual evidence.

They targeted a soldier outside a military base

They were apparently screaming "Allahu akbar"

They asked people to film it

and there's a video of the guy covered in blood telling you why he did it here NSFW

what more do you need?

 

[Meohsix]

Just for Clarification,

THIS is a Machete.

That is NOT what the man in the video is holding.
he has a Meat Cleaver and a large knife, Both of which he could have taken right out of his kitchen.
So if everyone could stop using "Machete" that'd be great.

 

[The Incarnation]

Anything you say nowadays counts as racist, nothing will EVER be done about it. No point fighting the inevitable

Get over yourself with the victim mentality, anyone would think it was you who was hacked to death.

 

[Maninthemirror]

Guy seems to be a conspiracy nut

 

[Mastadon]

Have you not heard about the Rochdale rape gang? Or the Oxford cases, 10 year old girls being sold as slaves by Pakistani gangs?

You're very ill informed and ignorant to pass it off as the Ukip vote, not to mention disrespectful to the victims

But paedophilia isn't exclusive to Islamic groups, nor is it disproportionately prevalent in that culture. I don't understand why they need to be targeted more than any other perpetrator?

 

[SniperHunter]

man these type of people give immigrants a bad rep. Why immigrate to a western country, when you are backwards as fuck? what a horrible crime....argh

RIP

 

[Polari]

Have you not heard about the Rochdale rape gang? Or the Oxford cases, 10 year old girls being sold as slaves by Pakistani gangs?

You're very ill informed and ignorant to pass it off as the Ukip vote, not to mention disrespectful to the victims

There seems to be a trend where White British males murder children. Have you not heard about Mick Philpott? Ian Huntley? Stuart Hazell? Something needs to be done.

 

[SmokyDave]

I'm sorry if I misunderstood you, Dave. Let me ask you though: what link do you there is between Islamic private schools to international terrorism, and what would you consider a prudent course of action in regards to the wider Muslim community

I believe they reinforce the isolated nature of the community in question and provide a fertile breeding ground for intolerance and extremism.

I'd rather not state my preferred course of action as I honestly can't be arsed with the ensuing debate.

lmao PAEDO GANGS

SHARIA LAW

Dat UKIP vote

People like you help both of these things flourish. You flaunt your incredulity as if you were reading about fantasy bogeymen, when you're not.

 

[moggio]

man these type of people give immigrants a bad rep. Why immigrate to a western country, when you are backwards as fuck? what a horrible crime....argh

RIP

Do we know he is an immigrant and not British?

 

[The Incarnation]

Have you not heard about the Rochdale rape gang? Or the Oxford cases, 10 year old girls being sold as slaves by Pakistani gangs?

You're very ill informed and ignorant to pass it off as the Ukip vote, not to mention disrespectful to the victims

Have you not heard of a similar thing in Derby, only the Paedos were white.

Same shit different faces.

 

[Hindle]

But paedophilia isn't exclusive to Islamic groups, nor is it disproportionately prevalent in that culture. I don't understand why they need to be targeted more than any other perpetrator?

It's becoming a regular thing though isn't it. I'm from Lancashire, and it seems every week there are cases being brought forward of Muslim males being charged with rape.

 

[PJV3]

To be fair, it's not just him. That seems to be the stock response of the left to anything that highlights the problems Labour caused in their 15 years of fuck-upery. It's a quick and effective way of saying "lalalalala! Can't hear you" whilst simultaneously playing the racism card.

Bullshit.

There were warnings about islamic radicals in the UK in the eighties.
It isn't easy to control without getting into dodgy abuses of freedom.

 

[Talents]

They targeted a soldier outside a military base

They were apparently screaming "Allahu akbar"

They asked people to film it

and there's a video of the guy covered in blood telling you why he did it here NSFW

what more do you need?

Da fuck was that women thinking at 0:15?

 

[moggio]

It isn't easy to control without getting into dodgy abuses of freedom.

As long as you're only abusing the freedoms of Muslims it's okay.

 

[Wes]

I see we've appeared to have sidetracked from the actual news somewhat.

Anything from the COBRA meeting yet?

 

[Gawge]

There seems to be a trend where White British males murder children. Have you not heard about Mick Philpott? Ian Huntley? Stuart Hazell? Something needs to be done.

Agreed.

I heard that they all shop at Tesco too. I say shut down Tesco.

 

[Hindle]

One person lost thier life today, and no doubt it will be brushed under the rug. Another attack bigger then 7/7 and will they be able to do the same?

 

[Bo-Locks]

Nobody said 'murder' is awesome, but mislabeling and drawing knee-jerk conclusions based on stereotypes without an investigation and evidence is the attitude of fundamentalists, not rational people.

When the white guys shot up a movie theater or a school, that isn't terrorism, they're just crazy. But if they happened to be Muslim...?

Terrorism intrinsically requires some sort of coercion toward a political objective. Unless these people had a manifesto that I haven't yet heard about, or are actively connected to terrorist cells and organizations, it shouldn't yet be labeled as terrorism.

You guys are correlating a commonality in modern terrorists (being Muslim) with these murderers, and then crafting your own causal narrative without actual evidence.

I'm all for not jumping to conclusions, and there are lots of unanswered questions at this point, but denying what is staring you in the face and making poor comparisons to lone wolf mass shootings is not clever, it's stupid.

Everything points to this being a terrorist attack.

Maybe you also haven't seen the video where are man with bloody hands and a meat cleaver tells a crowd "This is what happens when your government invades our lands".

 

[kurtrussell]

There were warnings about islamic radicals in the UK in the eighties.

Yeah, I remember. In the eighties there were tons of mad bastards roaming the streets with machetes. Let me guess - Thatcher's fault, yeah?

Come to think of it, you may be on to something.....

 

[Polari]

It's becoming a regular thing though isn't it. I'm from Lancashire, and it seems every week there are cases being brought forward of Muslim males being charged with rape.

I don't know, it's almost as if the Daily Mail has some kind of agenda, isn't it?

Come on people. Child abuse isn't a Muslim problem, it's a problem society has as a whole.

 

[Sanjay]

We gettin' famous on da youtubes!!!!!!!!!

If it were in Texas, he would not be getting interviewed but dead on the floor.

 

[PJV3]

One person lost thier life today, and no doubt it will be brushed under the rug. Another attack bigger then 7/7 and will they be able to do the same?

Who is brushing it under the rug.
The evil murderous cunt is all over the national news.

 

[Zaph]

If it were in Texas, he would not be getting interviewed but dead on the floor.

He was shot and killed moments later by a female police officer. Poetic justice.

 

[Jordan]

I see we've appeared to have sidetracked from the actual news somewhat.

Anything from the COBRA meeting yet?

Just increasing security around woolwich and other barracks.

 

[moggio]

Yeah, I remember. In the eighties there were tons of mad bastards roaming the streets with machetes.

Nah, just the odd Irishman with a bomb.

 

[Mastadon]

It's becoming a regular thing though isn't it. I'm from Lancashire, and it seems every week there are cases being brought forward of Muslim males being charged with rape.

Like I said, it's no more common in the Muslim community than it is in any other minority community. It's an issue that has justifiably received a lot of attention in the media, but it's seeming skewed people's perceptions. Like was posted above, middle-aged white men have carried out some heinous crimes. Look at the April Jones case.

 

[kurtrussell]

Come on people. Child abuse isn't a Muslim problem, it's a problem society has as a whole.

So you don't think the insular culture of Muslim community helps conceal the crime and dissuade the victims from speaking out?

Because I do. Come at me, bro.

 

[Joel Was Right]

I believe they reinforce the isolated nature of the community in question and provide a fertile breeding ground for intolerance and extremism.

I agree with you. But I think the danger is navigating that message against the already present "they are after us" mentality in this community.

 

[Polari]

It's the same old rubbish. First it was the Irish, then it was the Afro-Caribbean, now it's the Muslims. Racists never change, their whipping boys sometimes do though.

 

[CHEEZMO™]

Have you not heard about the Rochdale rape gang? Or the Oxford cases, 10 year old girls being sold as slaves by Pakistani gangs?

You're very ill informed and ignorant to pass it off as the Ukip vote, not to mention disrespectful to the victims

And I live in Oldham, sunshine. I ain't ignorant of shit.

One person lost thier life today, and no doubt it will be brushed under the rug. Another attack bigger then 7/7 and will they be able to do the same?

Ah yes. Unbroken news coverage for the last several hours, international news organisations running the story, the PM being questioned about it and a COBRA meeting being called. Swept under the rug indeed. Fantasist.

So you don't think the insular culture of Muslim community helps conceal the crime and dissuade the victims from speaking out?

Because I do. Come at me, bro.

Something something Catholic church, Reformation Boogaloo.

 

[SnakeswithLasers]

What is it about the fact that they were shouting "Allahu akbar" while decapitating a soldier just yards from his military base that you don't seem to comprehend exactly?

What about it? Explain how those things definitively prove terrorism.

Your null hypothesis in these cases should be: "This is not terrorism." Now you need to find absolute evidence that forces you to reject that hypothesis.

Allahu akbar? Could be a mentally unstable lunatic imitating Islamic jihadis. Is there evidence otherwise?

Military base/soldier? Unfortunate happenstance. Murders happen everywhere, why can't they happen outside a military base or to a soldier? Is every murder outside of a military base or to a soldier considered terrorism?

There isn't any evidence yet of any organized political motive, so I'll be sane here and withhold judgment. You guys have fun though.

Edit: Haven't seen the bloody video, and if that is the case, then that may constitute actual evidence, unlike this other shit that is purely circumstantial.

 

[PJV3]

Yeah, I remember. In the eighties there were tons of mad bastards roaming the streets with machetes. Let me guess - Thatcher's fault, yeah?

Come to think of it, you may be on to something.....

No, it's the fault of the cunts abusing our freedom.
Stop trying to place blame on others.

 

[kurtrussell]

Nah, just the odd Irishman with a bomb.

Difference was, we were allowed to openly hate them without being accused of being racist.

Newsflash, bleeding heart liberals: People who try to injure, intimidate, maim and kill my fellow citizens tend to not make my Christmas card list. Sorry I can't be as accepting and insightful as you super humans obviously are.

 

[Vilix]

Nobody said 'murder' is awesome, but mislabeling and drawing knee-jerk conclusions based on stereotypes without an investigation and evidence is the attitude of fundamentalists, not rational people.

When the white guys shot up a movie theater or a school, that isn't terrorism, they're just crazy. But if they happened to be Muslim...?

Terrorism intrinsically requires some sort of coercion toward a political objective. Unless these people had a manifesto that I haven't yet heard about, or are actively connected to terrorist cells and organizations, it shouldn't yet be labeled as terrorism.

You guys are correlating a commonality in modern terrorists (being Muslim) with these murderers, and then crafting your own causal narrative without actual evidence.

Wouldn't call the calling of Whitehall's COBRA for this be over common thuggery.

Also, from what exactly happened, would this be the very definition of terrorisim?

the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes.

They lunatic did say "Over throw your government now". Or something like that.

 

[moggio]

Difference was, we were allowed to openly hate them without being accused of being racist.

No dogs, No Blacks, No Irish.

Ah, I miss those days!

 

[SmokyDave]

I agree with you. But I think the danger is navigating that message against the already present "they are after us" mentality in this community.

I can't see how that can be avoided. To a degree, we ought to be 'after them'. Them being hardline conservative Muslims and the extremists that they support / create.

It's the same old rubbish. First it was the Irish, then it was the Afro-Caribbean, now it's the Muslims. Racists never change, their whipping boys sometimes do though.

Goddamned racists won't leave these poor terrorists alone!

What about it? Explain how those things definitively prove terrorism.

Your null hypothesis in these cases should be: "This is not terrorism." Now you need to find absolute evidence that forces you to reject that hypothesis.

Allahu akbar? Could be a mentally unstable lunatic imitating Islamic jihadis. Is there evidence otherwise?

Military base/soldier? Unfortunate happenstance. Murders happen everywhere, why can't they happen outside a military base or to a soldier? Is every murder outside of a military base or to a soldier considered terrorism?

There isn't any evidence yet of any organized political motive, so I'll be sane here and withhold judgment. You guys have fun though.

Edit: Haven't seen the bloody video, and if that is the case, then that may constitute actual evidence, unlike this other shit that is purely circumstantial.

You're so open-minded that your brain appears to have fallen out.

Edit: just saw your edit. Maybe you should watch the video.

 

[hym]

lmao PAEDO GANGS

SHARIA LAW

Dat UKIP vote

Pakistani community must tackle grooming gangs, justice minister insists

Mr Green said: “It’s not sadly the first example we have had of organised serious exploitation and abuse involving Pakistani heritage men grooming and abusing white girls

“I hope that what happens is that any last vestiges of political correctness that say, ‘there are some cultural issues to address here’ disappear, because this is criminality, pure and simple.

Damian Green is Tory not UKIP

Sharia councils failing vulnerable women

We showed our secret footage from Leyton Islamic Sharia Council to Nazir Afzal, chief crown prosecutor for the North West.

Mr Afzal, himself a Muslim, said: "I'm disappointed but not surprised. Most of them [Sharia councils] are fine but there are some clearly like this who are putting women at risk."

He described what he had seen as "dangerous" because if people were deterred from seeking help they could suffer significant harm.

BBC - Panorama and a Muslim chief crown prosecutor, I doubt either care for UKIP

 

[PJV3]

No dogs, No Blacks, No Irish.

Ah, I miss those days!

You could bang up the irish for years in prison, even if they were innocent.
Happy days.

 

[D4Danger]

There isn't any evidence yet of any organized political motive, so I'll be sane here and withhold judgment. You guys have fun though.

there's a fucking video of the guy covered in blood explaining exactly why he did it

I understand some people might not want to watch it (or can't right now) so I'll just sum it up: it's a terrorist act.

 

[Hindle]

And I live in Oldham, sunshine. I ain't ignorant of shit.



Ah yes. Unbroken news coverage for the last several hours, international news organisations running the story, the PM being questioned about it and a COBRA meeting being called. Swept under the rug indeed. Fantasist.



Something something Catholic church, Reformation Boogaloo.

I can't believe you made the comment you made if you came from Oldham son. Bang out of order.

 

[Locke_211]

Reputable news sites are quoting him as saying:

"We swear by almighty Allah we will never stop fighting you. The only reason we have done this is because Muslims are dying every day. This British soldier is an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth."

"We must fight them... You people will never be safe. Remove your government, they don't care about you."

Sounds a bit like a terrorist?

 

[Dennis]

Reputable news sites are quoting him as saying:

"We swear by almighty Allah we will never stop fighting you. The only reason we have done this is because Muslims are dying every day. This British soldier is an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth."

"We must fight them... You people will never be safe. Remove your government, they don't care about you."

Sounds a bit like a terrorist?

Case closed.

 

[CHEEZMO™]

I can't believe you made the comment you made if you came from Oldham son. Bang out of order.

Why?

 

[moggio]

Sounds a bit like a terrorist?

Well he might be a terrorist, but he must just be a regular nutter.

If he is a terrorist he's a pretty bad one.

 

[justjohn]

i'm pretty confident this guy is mentally disturbed.

 

[Locke_211]

Well he might be a terrorist, but he must just be a regular nutter.

If he is a terrorist he's a pretty bad one.

Why? I'd say he's a pretty good one. Shows random people can be attacked at any moment by people who have completely slipped under the radar. Likely to stir up hatred and tension. Gets filmed and delivers his message while lots of people are watching. It's going to be all the news talks about for the next 24-48 hours.

 

[justjohn]

Why?

lock up your underage white girls. they grooming errone outhere