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[Mengy]

I dig the colors and style, I just wish it was a single player game instead of this extraction crap. Single player with a real trippy story.

Me too. I loved the original Marathon game but I only played its single player campaign. If this new Marathon was again a single player campaign I'd be super interested in it, even with its art style. As a competitive PvP game I'm not really interested in it at all.

I do think the game will do okay, Bungie is a talented studio after all, but I don't think its going to do great. For Bungie's sake I hope it sells fantastic.

 

[Montauk]

The turbo-charged hatred this game attracts is remarkable to me. It's that those people simply don't like it, it's that a lot of them seem to have a deep and seething anger towards everything about it that I just don't get.

I understand not liking the distinctive, bold art style that clearly is not for everyone. I understand being overwhelmed with this type of game. I can understand not being impressed by the gameplay. What i don't understand is how people act as if this game took a shit on their dinner plate and is the worst thing ever made.

 

[Montauk]

I dig the colors and style, I just wish it was a single player game instead of this extraction crap. Single player with a real trippy story.

I'm not personally hostile to the MP, although it's not for me. I do also wish that the game had a campaign though, it seems like it could have potential.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

I dig the colors and style, I just wish it was a single player game instead of this extraction crap. Single player with a real trippy story.

I likely would have played a single player game set in this universe as well but having played a couple of the betas I can say I for sure wont be paying $40 for this as an extraction MP game

 

[adamsapple]

Marathon looks really, really bad

 

[Lokaum D+]

Sony acquired Bungie for $3.6 billion in 2022.

$3.6 billion

$3.6 billion

$3.6 billion

for that, while Killzone and Resistance are dead.

 

[LordOfChaos]

What a travesty to use the literal father of Halo's IP on this

 

[deeptech]

Literally me rn

 

[Gripsx]

What a travesty to use the literal father of Halo's IP on this

 

[MayauMiao]

Sony acquired Bungie for $3.6 billion in 2022.

$3.6 billion

$3.6 billion

$3.6 billion

for that, while Killzone and Resistance are dead.

Imagine utilizing Marathon IP well, get studios good at producing single player games to produce Sony's very own "Halo".

 

[Sgt.Asher]

I signed up for the next test, it looks interesting. I might enjoy an extraction more in first person.

 

[xanaum]

Aside from all that colorful clutter, especially that green and pink stuff, it doesn't look like a disaster, especially considering it's unfinished. Anyway, to me it doesn't look bad or good. It just feels whatever. There isn't enough info to have a solid opinion despite the leak.

So, did anyone on NeoGAF play the original 1994 version on a Macintosh so they can tell us if a reboot is even worth it?

 

[Digity.exe]

I signed up for the next test, it looks interesting. I might enjoy an extraction more in first person.

Competitive games like this are always better in first person.

Where do you sign up for the next test?

 

[Trogdor1123]

OP is a retard.
This game will shake up this boring ass industry.

 

[Sgt.Asher]

Competitive games like this are always better in first person.

Where do you sign up for the next test?

Bungie.net

www.bungie.net

 

[Lokaum D+]

Imagine utilizing Marathon IP well, get studios good at producing single player games to produce Sony's very own "Halo".

to be fair the first time i heard about Marathon was couple years ago and for what i know it was a Mac ip, so most console players would give a shit about it, also, Sony should have given Bungie the Killzone or Resistance ip if they wanted are successful gaas extraction shooter, at least Sony console players know those ip and they would buy into if the gameplay looked good.

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

The turbo-charged hatred this game attracts is remarkable to me. It's that those people simply don't like it, it's that a lot of them seem to have a deep and seething anger towards everything about it that I just don't get.

I understand not liking the distinctive, bold art style that clearly is not for everyone. I understand being overwhelmed with this type of game. I can understand not being impressed by the gameplay. What i don't understand is how people act as if this game took a shit on their dinner plate and is the worst thing ever made.

It's resentment culture.

Bungie made two big franchises that were made for PvE "spectacle" gamers. Marathon isn't made for them so a tantrum results. It's definitely weird.

 

[I collect VHS tapes]

It's resentment culture.

Bungie made two big franchises that were made for PvE "spectacle" gamers. Marathon isn't made for them so a tantrum results. It's definitely weird.

Arc Raiders is my GOTY and I still think Marathon looks like garbage

If you think the only people who think this game looks horrible are resentful PvE players, you are in for a very rude awakening when this becomes Concord 2.0

It's this sort of detachment from reality that you are displaying that leads to such colossal failures like Concord

Your tag of "Snake Oil Salesman" combined with you trying to sell us on this game is fucking hilarious by the way

 

[simpatico]

The people responsible for this convinced Sony to shitcan Last of Us Factions. Let that sink in.

The bomba contained within this video game code is going to make Concord blush. The psychology in those who think the market will respond to the Bungie logo is interesting. I think you would find common threads in other parts of their lives. Not just relegated to gaming. Appeal to authority, trouble adapting to change etc. Probably a similar vibe to the last days of Blockbuster corporate offices of the HD-DVD consortium. "We're an institution. Deus ex machina is right around that corner" .

 

[DirtInUrEye]

Let me make this clear: if they had shown me the Marathon reveal teaser, I wouldn't have paid 3.6b for Bungie; I would have paid fucking double. What a banger. Marathon haters are just ingnorant and tasteless retards.

Screenshotted for posterity.

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

Arc Raiders is my GOTY and I still think Marathon looks like garbage

That's fair but it still doesn't change the fact that most of the negative comments are from PvE gamers who resent Bungie for not making a PvE focused game.

If you think the only people who think this game looks horrible are resentful PvE players, you are in for a very rude awakening when this becomes Concord 2.0

I don't think that. I think the majority of negativity surrounding Marathon comes from people who don't like PvP.

It's this sort of detachment from reality that you are displaying that leads to such colossal failures like Concord

I don't know what this means. The hive mind at NeoGAF has gotten a ton wrong about GAAS, as have I. I'm not sure how useful your comment here is.

your tag of "snake oil salesman" combined with you trying to sell us on this game is fucking hilarious by the way

We're only allowed to enjoy games that are popular within the bubble. If we like things that the bubble does not like, we'll recieve labels. I don't lose sleep over it.

 

[poppabk]

What's with the fog and limited draw distance? Is it just this map or is that just the game?

 

[Kokoloko85]

Some of you just want to hate it for any reason. You can just ignore the game if you dont like it like a normal human being would. But you want to see a predicted public execution of the game, and chant like a bunch of tribal minded fanatics

It looks no worse than alot of shooters and actually looks visually different. Gunplay will also be good as usual as bungie fans expect.

Its just the extraction style and difficulty of it and being PVP mostly. Its gonna be more niche than any of there other titles.
But yes DOA!!! Raarr! Die Bungie! CCU!! Its dead! Cancellation complete!! We won!!…something something Ark Raiders….

Bungie could of avoided some of this with a SP mode and more PVE elements. But most extraction games dont have that. Move on if you dont like it

 

[Nephryte]

Just use the actual Concord steam chart crash is good enough.

Marathon indeed give me Concord's vibes.

 

[I collect VHS tapes]

That's fair but it still doesn't change the fact that most of the negative comments are from PvE gamers who resent Bungie for not making a PvE focused game.

I don't think that. I think the majority of negativity surrounding Marathon comes from people who don't like PvP.

I don't know what this means. The hive mind at NeoGAF has gotten a ton wrong about GAAS, as have I. I'm not sure how useful your comment here is.

We're only allowed to enjoy games that are popular within the bubble. If we like things that the bubble does not like, we'll recieve labels. I don't lose sleep over it.

The entire game seems to be laser focused in design on a incredibly small niche of people.

I don't doubt that people will love this game a lot. All 12 of them.

 

[Bry0]

I had a surprisingly negative reaction to these vids. The map design looks more like a moba with all these valleys between each POI. Seems to be designed to push you into PvP. It looks wildly different from tarkov which is kinda my frame of reference extraction fps. The outdoor areas looks weirdly scaled like an mmo. In practice the colors are sort of garish.

Just not really seeing what this offers that the other extraction games in the market don't. Class abilities I guess? But that doesn't personally appeal to me.

 

[Gamer_By_Proxy]

Looks ok to me but I don't play these games. Looks like a shooter in Mirrors Edge.

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

The entire game seems to be laser focused in design on a incredibly small niche of people.

I don't doubt that people will love this game a lot. All 12 of them.

How many people does Counter Strike appeal to?

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Just use the actual Concord steam chart crash is good enough.

Off topic I know but speaking of Concord why does someone keep hopping into it?

 

[I collect VHS tapes]

How many people does Counter Strike appeal to?

I'm not quite sure what your point is?

Are you relying on a counterstrike chart to give you some sort of hope that marathon will do well?

Some of you are coping so hard it's very difficult for us outsiders to follow

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

I'm not quite sure what your point is?

Are you relying on a counterstrike chart to give you some sort of hope that marathon will do well?

Some of you are coping so hard it's very difficult for us outsiders to follow

I think the people ragging on Marathon don't understand why Counter Strike is so popular. They couldn't look at Counter Strike or Valorant or PUBG and predict how big they would become.

But we're supposed to listen to their analysis of Marathon?

 

[I collect VHS tapes]

I think the people ragging on Marathon don't understand why Counter Strike is so popular. They couldn't look at Counter Strike or Valorant or PUBG and predict how big they would become.

But we're supposed to listen to their analysis of Marathon?

I'm not quite sure how you are so confident marathon will do well, but surely if you're this confident you would have no problem doing an avatar be related to it success, right?

 

[Mattdaddy]

Man Im out on just art style alone. That is just not for me. Looks like duplos.

 

[Dr. Samuel Hayden]

Pre-cucked by Arc Raiders

 

[Mortisfacio]

I don't think I've ever wanted a game to flop harder than this one. Between Bungie making the same 1st person shooter gameplay for 25 years and the outright plagiarism, Bungie deserves the L.

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

I'm not quite sure how you are so confident marathon will do well, but surely if you're this confident you would have no problem doing an avatar be related to it success, right?

I'm not confident. I'm simply pointing out the fact that the majority of anti Marathon comments are from a resentful PvE crowd who have no desire to understand what makes these games popular.

I'm not sure why this position is controversial. Would you rather read your 700th "Marathon looks bad" comment?

 

[Heimdall_Xtreme]

I already saw the video... it looks awful.

But hey, here's another Concord 2, just to rub it in for Hulst.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

I'm not confident. I'm simply pointing out the fact that the majority of anti Marathon comments are from a resentful PvE crowd who have no desire to understand what makes these games popular.

I'm not sure why this position is controversial. Would you rather read your 700th "Marathon looks bad" comment?

I am a massive PvPer and love ARC Raiders so know all about extraction shooters and from my perspective Marathon is in a lot of trouble and I have indeed played in multiple Marathon betas

Its not just the resentful PvE crowd

 

[IAmRei]

it look bland to me. It's different from the earlier build, seems more muted, and not in a good way.

 

[Hawk The Slayer]

Looks like shit then and still looks like shit now.

 

[I collect VHS tapes]

I'm not confident. I'm simply pointing out the fact that the majority of anti Marathon comments are from a resentful PvE crowd who have no desire to understand what makes these games popular.

I'm not sure why this position is controversial. Would you rather read your 700th "Marathon looks bad" comment?

Part of the reason I think there's an issue is because this is also an unusual time where we have two of the strongest PVP games I've seen in quite some time come out. Arc Raiders and BF6 are both really really good games

They also had tons of positive hype all along the way, including the test phases. People loved it from the start.

Now we're in a situation where we have to ask: Is this game good enough to pull people away from Arc Raiders and BF6? If you look at their combined CCU, that really does seem like that becomes the question

So when I watch the marathon videos, I ask myself is this game good enough to make people leave those games? And I'm not seeing it.

I could be wrong as well

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

Its not just the resentful PvE crowd

I never said it was "just" the resentful PvE crowd. I said much or most of the negativity is coming from these people. However, if I'm not mistaken you're a big CoD and Battlefield player...two games I would call "spectacle games".

Marathon isn't about spectacle. It doesn't fill the screen with explosions and constant gunfire.

Everyone is entitled to share their opinion but the takes I personally care about are from Extraction players, Battle Royale players, and Counter Strike/Valorant players. That's not really the NeoGAF crowd.

 

[Lokaum D+]

I'm not confident. I'm simply pointing out the fact that the majority of anti Marathon comments are from a resentful PvE crowd who have no desire to understand what makes these games popular.

I'm not sure why this position is controversial. Would you rather read your 700th "Marathon looks bad" comment?

are you a Marathon dev ? a Bungie shill or just a crazy dude with bad taste ?

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

Part of the reason I think there's an issue is because this is also an unusual time where we have two of the strongest PVP games I've seen in quite some time come out. Arc Raiders and BF6 are both really really good games

They also had tons of positive hype all along the way, including the test phases. People loved it from the start.

Now we're in a situation where we have to ask: Is this game good enough to pull people away from Arc Raiders and BF6? If you look at their combined CCU, that really does seem like that becomes the question

When I watch the marathon videos, I ask myself is this game good enough to make people leave those games? And I'm not seeing it.

I could be wrong as well

I think it's a mistake to suggest Battlefield players are the Marathon market. ARC Raiders sure, but not Battlefield. BF6 is dropping in player population every week without the presence of Marathon.

Battlefield 6 looks phenomenal in 30 second commercials. It's a Michael Bay movie. Marathon is antithetical to that design.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

I never said it was "just" the resentful PvE crowd. I said much or most of the negativity is coming from these people. However, if I'm not mistaken you're a big CoD and Battlefield player...two games I would call "spectacle games".

Marathon isn't about spectacle. It doesn't fill the screen with explosions and constant gunfire.

Everyone is entitled to share their opinion but the takes I personally care about are from Extraction players, Battle Royale players, and Counter Strike/Valorant players. That's not really the NeoGAF crowd.

I have way more hours in PUBG than BF and admittedly have slowed down in ARC Raiders as I think I am at a little over 90 hours in it

But yeah have the most hours in CODs over the years since the hour counter seems to count anything inside the app

And coming from someone with literal thousand+ hours of PUBG across PC and console I can say Marathon is going to struggle to find its footing

And again I have played quite a few rounds of Marathon

 

[Gripsx]

arc raiders pvp is so bland, its free marketing for a proper fps shooter like marathon

 

[I collect VHS tapes]

I think it's a mistake to suggest Battlefield players are the Marathon market. ARC Raiders sure, but not Battlefield. BF6 is dropping in player population every week without the presence of Marathon.

Battlefield 6 looks phenomenal in 30 second commercials. It's a Michael Bay movie. Marathon is antithetical to that design.

I think the market for these sort of games is so small that generally you have to be really into PVP to begin with, at which point you're either playing BF6 or Arc right now.

I also do think people who are generally into PVP are just drawn to PVP and it doesn't have to be extraction shooters. I love Arc Raiders but my go to PVP before that was sea of thieves of all games. Which is absolutely nothing like Arc Raiders

I guess another way to word it is I'm not convinced that there's an audience of people who are waiting for marathon who are not currently playing either bf6 or arc

 

[Montauk]

But you want to see a predicted public execution of the game, and chant like a bunch of tribal minded fanatics

This is the part I don't get.

What is with the rise of this segment of gamers aggressively and loudly proclaiming their desire to see a game they don't like become a huge, studio-shaking flop and one that hope will cost lots of people their jobs?

it's just a game you don't like; why are actively clamouring for a terrible disaster?

It's the same thing with Fairgames but what worse because it we've not seen anything about that and nobody outside the studio has played it. But legions of people are already convinced it is complete dogshit and again so, so bad and seemingly so, so I dunno offensive that they are actively baying for its blood. They want the studio to fail and they want everybody to lose their jobs.

What is this level of furious rage directed at these games? Why do these people become wildly hostile to any high-profile game they think won't meet with success?

Why do these people seem very excited and happy about the prospect of another Concorde?

 

[I collect VHS tapes]

arc raiders pvp is so bland, its free marketing for a proper fps shooter like marathon

Marathon can only hope for half the success of Arc

It's insane to me then some people are coping so hard that they think Arc will somehow prop up marathon to succeed jfc lol

More likely than not, Arc will be the hammer that drives the nails into Marathons coffin

 

[Gripsx]

Marathon can only hope for half the success of Arc

It's insane to me then some people are coping so hard that they think Arc will somehow prop up marathon to succeed jfc lol

More likely than not, Arc will be the hammer that drives the nails into Marathons coffin

arc and marathon are different beasts and both will do well.

But you will notice a big migration of pvp first arc players heading to Marathon.