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March Wrasslin' |OT| Forecast for Wrestlemania...cloudy with a heavy chance of Reigns

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somedevil

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IC Ladder Match Spoiler from Meltzer:

F4Wonline.com confirms that as of last Tuesday, the plan was for Daniel Bryan to win the WWE Intercontinental Title in the Ladder Match at WrestleMania 31. Obviously plans can change but Bryan was the leading candidate to win at one point.

Makes sense but with the usual Meltzer things can change.
 

Hex

Banned
IC Ladder Match Spoiler from Meltzer:



Makes sense but with the usual Meltzer things can change.

I pretty much assumed that was why they gave Zigs the clean pin on Bryan on Raw, to make people believe that Bryan may actually not win.

If it was me you put the belt on Ziggler or Ambrose. Give it to a guy who could use a crazy push.

I agree with you but the going story is that they intend on
Pushing the IC and US titles as legit titles and making them credible with top talent going for them in case Brock retains and still only defends twice a year or so at PPVS
 
Kanemoto actually helped get over Fujita and other juniors in MPro through a series of matches. I have yet to see what Jason Lee is gaining from having his titles snatched away by Tanaka and then easily pinned repeatedly by Tanaka.

Oh, I'm not saying Tanaka's worth a damn now and obviously Kanemoto's way above his league - I just thought it was harsh to say he didn't get over like Tanahashi, when a big part of that's due to the shoddy gimmick he was given.
 

Fox318

Member
I pretty much assumed that was why they gave Zigs the clean pin on Bryan on Raw, to make people believe that Bryan may actually not win.

but people are so used to raw's 50/50 booking. I honestly think Shaemus may join the match and win.
 

kiguel182

Member
I want to believe that, whoever wins the IC match, is going to get some strong booking and be booked like a legit badass and top guy. But at this point I don't trust them to make that happen.

50/50 booking and dumb/non-existent storylines is what's happening.
 

Hex

Banned
but people are so used to raw's 50/50 booking. I honestly think Shaemus may join the match and win.

I think he may show up Monday and remind Bryan that he beat him in a few seconds for the world title in the past and kick things off to lead to a program going forward into Summers Slam. I do not know if they will pull the trigger at Mania, especially to screw Bryan
 

Fox318

Member
I want to believe that, whoever wins the IC match, is going to get some strong booking and be booked like a legit badass and top guy. But at this point I don't trust them to make that happen.

50/50 booking and dumb/non-existent storylines is what's happening.

Shame is 50/50 booking can work in the long term.

I think the thing that kills them the most is that they need to fill 7 hours of TV weekly. They don't have the roster for it so guys wind up trading wins every event. Harper will lose on Main event to Kane then get a huge spot in a tag match but the crowd doesn't respond because he just got beat by Kane.


They either need to hire more guys or cut down on TV time.
 

Fox318

Member
I think he may show up Monday and remind Bryan that he beat him in a few seconds for the world title in the past and kick things off to lead to a program going forward into Summers Slam. I do not know if they will pull the trigger at Mania, especially to screw Bryan

In that Raw crowd are you really going to give Shaemus a spotlight like that? I think on that Raw show you claim that Reigns is injured regardless of result ad keep him off tv.

But the fact that I'm saying that about the next WWE champion is an indictment of him.
 

Toki767

Member
If it was me you put the belt on Ziggler or Ambrose. Give it to a guy who could use a crazy push.

If you want to give a guy a crazy push, you do not put the IC title on them. If you want to de-push a guy, you put the IC title on them.

In that sense, giving the title to Bryan makes sense.

#WWElogic
 

Cybit

FGC Waterboy
The more I watch RAW; the more I'm convinced booking Reigns like Rocky Maivia has been their intention since the Rumble. I mean...it did lead to a super duper star after the heel turn. Why not follow the same path and then turn Reigns heel at WM?

Also, damnit, reform the Shield with Rollins as the WHC, Reigns as the US Title holder, and Ambrose as the IC Title holder.
 

jred2k

Member
...so you guys are going to start posting GIFs of female wrestlers getting destroyed by male wrestlers at these dumpster fire indie shows?

Your time is up, PG time is now
You can't post gifs, PG time is now
It's WrassleGAF, boy we're SFW now
You can't post gifs, PG time is now!
 

Fox318

Member
The more I watch RAW; the more I'm convinced booking Reigns like Rocky Maivia has been their intention since the Rumble. I mean...it did lead to a super duper star after the heel turn. Why not follow the same path and then turn Reigns heel at WM?

Also, damnit, reform the Shield with Rollins as the WHC, Reigns as the US Title holder, and Ambrose as the IC Title holder.

Rock had charisma to talk himself into a great heel. Plus he had a stable to work with.

If Reigns does turn heel he is gonna be paired with Heyman and stand in the background as he builds X-Pac type heat.
 

Angry Grimace

Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
If you want to give a guy a crazy push, you do not put the IC title on them. If you want to de-push a guy, you put the IC title on them.

In that sense, giving the title to Bryan makes sense.

#WWElogic

The big rumor of course is that they're trying to elevate the status of those belts and not just have them be the jobber-king belts. Having Cena and Bryan have them is pretty much the closest you're gonna get to that. But even in the Rock N Wrestling era the IC belt was a shit title, so I don't really know what they're playing at. It was important for like that hot minute where Warrior had the title, but even then it was just used to get him up to the World title.

If they really want those belts to be important, they need to have some kind of stipulation attached to it a la MITB where you actually get some kind of major opportunity for it. I just don't see how that would work. There's only like 8 guys who are over enough to have a legitimate shot to win anything, and 3 of them have belts, and the other guy has the MITB briefcase.
 

Toki767

Member
The big rumor of course is that they're trying to elevate the status of those belts and not just have them be the jobber-king belts. Having Cena and Bryan have them is pretty much the closest you're gonna get to that. But even in the Rock N Wrestling era the IC belt was a shit title, so I don't really know what they're playing at. It was important for like that hot minute where Warrior had the title, but even then it was just used to get him up to the World title.

If they really want those belts to be important, they need to have some kind of stipulation attached to it a la MITB where you actually get some kind of major opportunity for it.

The only reason they'd have to make those belts more important now is so that it protects Reigns' title reign. Like they think as long as Bryan and Cena have titles, people will still tune in and it'll show that Reigns is a draw as champion.
 

Fox318

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The way to Raise the belts is to allow champions to cash in their belt for a higher tier belt shot after they defend a belt for at least a month. If they lose there is a tournament to crown a new champ and they lose their previous belt.

It would force belts into long builds and for champs that hold a belt for a long time has the fans wondering what is he gonna do next.
 

Hex

Banned
The big rumor of course is that they're trying to elevate the status of those belts and not just have them be the jobber-king belts. Having Cena and Bryan have them is pretty much the closest you're gonna get to that. But even in the Rock N Wrestling era the IC belt was a shit title, so I don't really know what they're playing at. It was important for like that hot minute where Warrior had the title, but even then it was just used to get him up to the World title.

If they really want those belts to be important, they need to have some kind of stipulation attached to it a la MITB where you actually get some kind of major opportunity for it. I just don't see how that would work. There's only like 8 guys who are over enough to have a legitimate shot to win anything, and 3 of them have belts, and the other guy has the MITB briefcase.

There was an era when it was more legit.
Warrior carried it and it was pretty legit, and if I am not mistaken Bret had a solid legit run with it.

The way to Raise the belts is to allow champions to cash in their belt for a higher tier belt shot after they defend a belt for at least a month. If they lose there is a tournament to crown a new champ and they lose their previous belt.

It would force belts into long builds and for champs that hold a belt for a long time has the fans wondering what is he gonna do next.

Elevating them is simple.
They have to give them the big match feel.
On ppvs they need to have weight and not be pre-show and curtain jerking.
The IC champ should not be getting smacked around or squashed to put over the big guy around.
And they need to let one person carry it for a while and have good chases for it.
 
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One is empowering one is creeper material. Big difference.
 

Angry Grimace

Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
The only reason they'd have to make those belts more important now is so that it protects Reigns' title reign. Like they think as long as Bryan and Cena have titles, people will still tune in and it'll show that Reigns is a draw as champion.

I think the idea is that everyone who isn't in the title picture tends to just float around the midcard in basically irrelevant feuds where it doesn't matter who wins or loses (losing a jobber title who care).

But yeah, the insane amount of shit they've done to try and artificially put Reigns over makes practically any theory involving "make Reigns look REALLY strong" sound plausible.
 

Angry Grimace

Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
The way to Raise the belts is to allow champions to cash in their belt for a higher tier belt shot after they defend a belt for at least a month. If they lose there is a tournament to crown a new champ and they lose their previous belt.

It would force belts into long builds and for champs that hold a belt for a long time has the fans wondering what is he gonna do next.

I thought about that but it just sounds like adding more briefcases. They'd probably have to eliminate the briefcase to do that (which sounds fine by me)
 

Cagey

Banned
One is empowering one is creeper material. Big difference.

You think an employer walking by a screen would say "ah look at that empowered half-naked woman flexing after a victorious bout of wrestling, good job John, keep at it"? No.

This isn't wholly an issue of NSFW, as I suspected. It's a pet project to "clean up" a thread's image to conform to OT eh?
 
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