MARVEL to cancel 'Uncanny X-Men', replace with 'Wolverine & the X-Men' and...

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Zzoram said:
Why would Psylocke join Cyclops when she's secretly on X-Force with Wolverine, against Cyclop's wishes?
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They said not to take that teaser picture seriously.
 
Byakuya769 said:
I've been reading Uncanny through marvel's free one month pass. I'm up to issue 524, and it's fucking god awful. Hopefully this shake-up can make it better.
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I wasn't a fan of Brubaker or Fraction Xmen either
 
SpiderJerusalem said:
I wasn't a fan of Brubaker or Fraction Xmen either
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It's weird though, I see the high level summaries on what is going on, and I think to myself "hey this sounds pretty interesting!" Then I give it a go and I'm stuck with Scott and Emma speaking like two teenaged lovers, gigantic galactic bullets (!?!), and every single character serving as a pull-string one-liner doll. Just horrible.
 
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That cover was made for "COOL STORY, BRO!"
 
CBR has an extensive interview with writers Gillen and Aaron on their respective books and what fans can expect to see. They're intentionally vague about things of course, but it's a very enlightening piece nonetheless.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=32864

CBR: Speaking of fighting, it sounds like the philosophical differences of "X-Men: Schism" will carry over to these two new books?

Gillen: I would say they inform the two titles. That's the way I'm thinking about it.

Aaron: In "Schism" each member of the X-Men is going to have to choose a side and go one way or another. This is not a situation of X-Men shaking hands and going, 'We're going to be over here. You stay there and sometimes we'll get together and play baseball and everything will be fine." This is a "Civil War" situation where it's brother against brother and friendships are torn apart. So it's not a throwback to the era of the Blue and Gold Teams. This is a very different situation than that.

Gillen: It's an important to note though that when the books begin the two teams aren't at war. This is an ideological schism and my side of the argument views the other team almost in a patronizing sort of way. They're like, "You're being children. Essentially we're going to look after you." They're almost paternalistic about it.

Aaron: Right. Neither side looks at the other and shakes their fist in the air and says, "You're villains and we're going to spend every day now trying to bring you down." These groups look at the other side and think, "They're doing it the wrong way and we're doing it the right way." Both sides feel that way.

One of the things we talked about with "Schism" was that we didn't want Scott or Logan's sides to be the villain of the book. They're two defensible positions. You can argue vehemently for either side and have a great case for both sides. Neither one of those characters can be vilified because of their arguments.
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CBR:So it sounds like the two groups' different viewpoints and different interests means that there will be different types of stories in these books?

Gillen: It's sort of frustrating to have to talk in general terms, but the "Schism" will push my side to take what they were doing previously and kick it into high gear. For the last couple of years the X-Men have been trying to act more like super heroes and make people hopefully like them more. So now they're going to take that to the highest level by aspiring to be the most important and public super hero team on Earth. They're going to try and change world wide opinions of mutants in that way. At the same time they're still being feared and hated. So There's an implicit threat in the existence of my team. This is a very powerful group and their feeling is, "Yes. We're going to save the world, but fundamentally we're a group of nukes. You don't want to mess with mutants ever again."

That's the core concept of "Uncanny X-Men" and the moral questions related to that.

Aaron: My book will be very different. It stars a completely different cast with a completely different set of goals. It will be the sort of X-book we haven't seen in quite awhile. So between these two books you're going to get some very different flavors of X-Men stories.
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CBR: The idea of friends and co-leaders brings up another question that you guys may be able to talk more about. How big is the cast in each of your respective titles?

Gillen: My book focuses on a small field team, but there is a support network around them. Normally though there will be the same nine people in the field.

Aaron: My book on the one hand has a huge cast, but like Kieron, I'm trying to focus it down to a core group. Like I said, Wolverine is the team leader, but he'll be surrounded by a group of some old familiar faces, some brand new characters, and a few second tier characters who are forced to step up in a big way.
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CBR: We imagine the group's respective leaders will be committed to the philosophical drives of each of the teams, but what's the feeling among the members of the various groups? Is everyone a believer? Or do some people need to be convinced?

Gillen: There's a spread of opinions inside my team, but there is a sense of, "We have all decided to do this together." That's the key thing that binds them together. They've heard the arguments and they've made their decision. There are some people though who they really had to work to convince. When the line up of the teams is revealed you'll see that some persuasion was involved to get some particular characters to go along with things. That's what makes it drama though. If everybody agreed with everything all you would need is one character and a bunch of robots [Laughs].

Aaron: My book is the same way. You'll see the full range of opinions. Once this split happens there are some characters who sign up from the word go. There are other characters who have to be talked into it, and in my book there is one character that literally has to be dragged along in chains.

So you'll get the full mix, and going forward it will continue to be a shifting situation. Just because a character chooses one side or another it doesn't mean they'll stay on that side. You can have people going back and forth. This separation between the two groups will continue to be an evolving dynamic.
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CBR:Since the two groups will have different philosophies and different agendas, will they also operate in different areas? It seems like if both stayed in San Francisco they'd be constantly getting in each other's way.[/u]

Gillen: Yep. This town ain't big enough for the both of us [Laughs].

Aaron: It's safe to assume that. I can't really say anything beyond that though.
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CBR: Let's talk a little bit about how these two teams will relate to the other heroes of the Marvel Universe. You would think with Wolverine's membership in the Avengers that his team would be the more connected of the groups, but is that necessarily the case?

Gillen: There's a line in the first issue, I believe, that says the X-Men have been essentially dealing with stuff that comes to them and just trying to survive. So this new volume of "Uncanny" is about something else. They're trying to genuinely change the world in a proactive and deliberate way. So they're going to engage with the rest of the world in that way.

CBR: Jason, Will Wolverine's leadership of an X-Men team mean that he has less time for his other teams like X-Force and the Avengers?

Aaron: I don't want to speak for ["Uncanny X-Force" writer] Rick Remender, but you will certainly see the events of "Schism" reflected in "Uncanny X-Force." Rick and I have been talking a lot, so "Schism" and Wolverine's decisions will have a profound effect on X-Force. X-Force will also have a profound effect on "Wolverine and the X-Men," so there will be give and take going both ways there.

And yes, Wolverine will still be on the Avengers, so no he's not going to suddenly drop out of the other 17 books he appears in. He'll still be a busy guy [Laughs].
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There's a ton more at the link, just great and exciting stuff. :D
 
late to the party but.. wtf? the is the worst idea since stiltman.. :/

fuck marvel..
 
Blackace said:
late to the party but.. wtf? the is the worst idea since stiltman.. :/

fuck marvel..
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You think this is weird? Check out dc in a couple months.
 
Blackace said:
late to the party but.. wtf? the is the worst idea since stiltman.. :/

fuck marvel..
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I dunno man, how long's it been since you've read x-men? the book was strong up through the end of messiah war, then it went kinda weak/vampy. the only interesting thing was the split when beast/storm/etc found out that cyk was kinda taking a page from magneto and using wolvy & co as a hit-squad to protect the then-dying species.

again, im not caught up, but i imagine the rift stems from that, which kinda makes it a lot more interesting than the old blue/yellow teams, like the interview says. still guessing here, but it looks like one team wants to be idealistic and continue something akin to xavier's dream, and one wants to be pragmatic and stick with mags' "by any means necessary" thing. if that's the case, im down.
 
IrishNinja said:
I dunno man, how long's it been since you've read x-men? the book was strong up through the end of messiah war, then it went kinda weak/vampy. the only interesting thing was the split when beast/storm/etc found out that cyk was kinda taking a page from magneto and using wolvy & co as a hit-squad to protect the then-dying species.

again, im not caught up, but i imagine the rift stems from that, which kinda makes it a lot more interesting than the old blue/yellow teams, like the interview says. still guessing here, but it looks like one team wants to be idealistic and continue something akin to xavier's dream, and one wants to be pragmatic and stick with mags' "by any means necessary" thing. if that's the case, im down.
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Killing off the line I am fine with renaming it "Wolverine and his shitty friends" is like trying to commit suicide with a wooden spoon..

Also when did the worst artist get X books? shit is so horrible..
 
Blackace said:
Killing off the line I am fine with renaming it "Wolverine and his shitty friends" is like trying to commit suicide with a wooden spoon..

Also when did the worst artist get X books? shit is so horrible..
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there will be uncanny xmen and the wolverine led xmen book so...dont buy the wolverine one i guess. Meh not much different than warren buying a building in NYC and starting x factor now they just are pissed at each other, not like storm didnt run shit for a while after beating cyclops in a 1v1.

Namor needs to not be on a team that he could wax by himself let alone crush with his army.
 
DonasaurusRex said:
there will be uncanny xmen and the wolverine led xmen book so...dont buy the wolverine one i guess. Meh not much different than warren buying a building in NYC and starting x factor now they just are pissed at each other, not like storm didnt run shit for a while after beating cyclops in a 1v1.

Namor needs to not be on a team that he could wax by himself let alone crush with his army.
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You are ok with Wolverine and his shitty friends as a franchise in the Marvel universe?
 
Blackace said:
You are ok with Wolverine and his shitty friends as a franchise in the Marvel universe?
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..i dont know what it will be like..i wasnt all that happy about him leading xforce but that turned out...great to be honest. Only real problem is wolverine being in 2 x books , 2 of his own books, appearing in x23 and daken, and being in the new avengers. It detracts from his own title, his role in the xmen, and honestly he's only ol canknuckle head in uncanny xforce these days.
 
DonasaurusRex said:
..i dont know what it will be like..i wasnt all that happy about him leading xforce but that turned out...great to be honest. Only real problem is wolverine being in 2 x books , 2 of his own books, appearing in x23 and daken, and being in the new avengers. It detracts from his own title, his role in the xmen, and honestly he's only ol canknuckle head in uncanny xforce these days.
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I see this complaint about Wolverine all the time, but you don't really hear it about Spider-Man or Batman who both have a lot of monthly books and have been on more than one team at a time.
 
the chris said:
I see this complaint about Wolverine all the time, but you don't really hear it about Spider-Man or Batman who both have a lot of monthly books and have been on more than one team at a time.
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i know thats true batman has a gang of books...and its been that way for many years. I dunno why, but in wolverines case he is like a big...cameo man in some of these books, has no real place in the book, he's solid in his books and New Avengers, and rocks in X force.
 
Verboten said:
They let 13-year-olds do their covers now? Who's this piece of shit that they consider an artist?
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Different strokes for different folks, but Chris Bachalo is one my fave artists. Not familiar with his work?
 
That's not Mystique, it's Laurie one of the "Five Lights". Every person on that page except Hope is one of the "Five Lights".

Mystique is dead.
 
Spike Spiegel said:
That's not Mystique, it's Laurie one of the "Five Lights". Every person on that page except Hope is one of the "Five Lights".

Mystique is dead.
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Yeah that one is definitely not going to last.
 
Spike Spiegel said:
That's not Mystique, it's Laurie one of the "Five Lights". Every person on that page except Hope is one of the "Five Lights".

Mystique is dead.
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...kay.

So it's the OTHER blue-skinned chick with red hair. Got it.
 
Verboten said:
They let 13-year-olds do their covers now? Who's this piece of shit that they consider an artist?
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trashing greg land is one thing, hes a non apologetic tracer, but bachalo? yeah youve lost your damn mind on that one.
 
Parallax said:
trashing greg land is one thing, hes a non apologetic tracer, but bachalo? yeah youve lost your damn mind on that one.
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Bachalo is without a doubt one of my fav artists ever, ever since the old Gen X days. I've loved seeing how his style has grown and changed through out the years. I was soo happy when it was announced that him and Mike Carey where announced to be doing X-Men back in 2006.
 
Jason Aaron talks 'Wolverine and the X-Men' with Newsarama

Nrama: You've talked before about your admiration for Grant Morrison's New X-Men. Are there any specific runs or eras you're looking at for inspiration with Wolverine and the X-Men?

Aaron: What's cool about the Wolverine and the X-Men book, what I'm really having fun with, is I'm getting to pull stuff from literally every era of the X-Men.

Right here next to my desk, I've got a big shelf, right now it's all X-Men books, from the original X-Men omnibus, to Uncanny and the Claremont stuff, Astonishing X-Men, the Morrison stuff, recent stuff. I've gotten to cherry pick things from literally all those different aspects. When you see the full cast of the book, you'll see that. When you see what sort of book it is, you'll see that. It's not just a love letter to Grant Morrison, it's not something that's just obviously picking the bones of Chris Claremont. It's a total mixture.

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Nrama: And the pre-Claremont material sometimes gets ignored, since post-Giant-Size X-Men #1 is what's often considered the "classic era."

Aaron: I think people forget that this is a Lee/Kirby book. It was one of the few that didn't really click under them for whatever reason, but there is some really good stuff back there.
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Nrama: I know you can't talk specific members yet beyond Wolverine, but the book sounds like it will have a pretty large cast, right?

Aaron: It's a big cast, but on the other hand, I'm also trying to focus things in a little bit more.

To me, the stuff I love about the X-Men is the soap opera of it. To do that, you really got to have a solid, core group of characters, so you can explore them, and bounce them off each other, do elements of love affairs, and fallouts, and tensions, and all sorts of unexpected relationships — the kind of stuff we've loved in the X-Men for years. There will be a lot of characters involved in the book, but we'll still have a pretty solid, core group.

Nrama: And new characters, too, it sounds like. Are these ones we'll see first in Schism?

Aaron: The new characters we see in Schism are really the new villains, the new Hellfire Club. The new characters in Wolverine and the X-Men pretty much debut in that issue #1. There's at least one that we first see somewhere else. Some of the main characters in Schism will carry over into Wolverine and the X-Men.
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Nrama: On art is Chris Bachalo, and this is your first time working with him, right?

Aaron: It is, yeah, we've never worked together before. He's one of those guys that I've been a huge fan of for years. He's really the perfect guy to draw the book, the only artist we ever really considered for this. He's getting to design new characters, and a new corner of the X-universe, which is great. He's really just cutting loose and having a blast. He'll be drawing some characters he's drawn before, and some he's never drawn before, so it'll be a real mix.
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Nrama: Since the last time we talked about Schism, it's been revealed that
Quentin Quire
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Aaron: I needed a spark to start the fire in Schism. It just sort of clicked.
Quentin
was one of my favorite things about Morrison's run, a character who popped up in a few places since then, but certainly hasn't had a very prominent role in the X-universe. I wanted to bring him back in a big way. He certainly makes a big splash right off the bat in Schism #1, and then continues to play a part throughout. This really puts him back into play in the X-universe in a big way, back doing the same kind of stuff we saw him doing in Morrison's run, just getting in way bigger trouble this time.
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Nrama: Right now in the Wolverine solo book things are coming to a head with the Red Right Hand, which has been building since #1.

Aaron: This has all really been one story so far. Everything's coming to a head now. We're finally finding out who these people are, and why they're doing what they're doing, as Wolverine's fighting his way to them. The last issue of this arc is really a big punch in the face; it's what everything has been building to so far. We find out the big secret of "What is the ultimate plan of the Red Right Hand?" and "Have they been successful?" It's something that really yanks the rug out from Wolverine. It's not something you have to read to understand Schism, but if you are reading both of them, I think you'll see how things dovetail, and certainly what Wolverine will have gone through by that point in the pages of his own book has a big effect on his mindset going into Schism.
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Verboten said:
They let 13-year-olds do their covers now? Who's this piece of shit that they consider an artist?
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I think that art is pretty cool.

I actually like hand drawn shit instead of that fucking trend they've been doing now a days of tracing people.
 
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