MARVEL to cancel 'Uncanny X-Men', replace with 'Wolverine & the X-Men' and...

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bathala said:
I've always thought Wolverine is a loner and not a leader type of a guy, but u kept seeing him on

X-force and wolverine.
FF and wolverine
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He is a loner. He worked best in just X-men and the seperate Wolverine series.

Wolverine appearing every has nothing to do with creativity and everything to do with marketing in a dying industry.
 
Thunder Monkey said:
Just got to say you flipped the Gold and Blue teams. Blue team was Cykes, and Gold was Storms.
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I thought so, but it's been awhile. :)

About to dig in on X-Men: Legacy. Hoping for some magnetic goodness!
 
I've also got to say I love Bachalo's style.

His Wolvie there isn't his best version, but that's still like a metric fuckton better than almost any other artist on Wolverine... but I am biased. I love his style.
 
Thunder Monkey said:
I've also got to say I love Bachalo's style.

His Wolvie there isn't his best version, but that's still like a metric fuckton better than almost any other artist on Wolverine... but I am biased. I love his style.
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he won me with rogues x-men. everything about that series was great
 
WordAssassin said:
That promo shot with the two teams..

There's... something about the art that I like. Who is the artist? I wanna check out more of their stuff to see if this is some kind of fluke.
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His name is Chris Bachalo. Congratulations. There are almost decades of lidblowing art for you to enjoy. I'm kind of jealous, actually. Start at Shade and Death: The High Cost Of Living and, well, enjoy the ride.
 
BenjaminBirdie said:
His name is Chris Bachalo. Congratulations. There are almost decades of lidblowing art for you to enjoy. I'm kind of jealous, actually. Start at Shade and Death: The High Cost Of Living and, well, enjoy the ride.
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His older stuff is hugely different though. Even the old Generation X stuff looks nothing like this. He had a fairly realistic style before as opposed to what you see here. I like this current style more but his layouts have always been very good.
 
favouriteflavour said:
His older stuff is hugely different though. Even the old Generation X stuff looks nothing like this. He had a fairly realistic style before as opposed to what you see here. I like this current style more but his layouts have always been very good.
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There's definitely an arc to his work, and it has changed, but I've loved it all the way through. He's the Prefuse 73 of drawring.
 
omgbbq, carlos pacheco is gonna be back drawing the relaunched x-men!!!?!!

what does it mean he'll be working on it with Land?
 
Ok, some research tells me that Tim Townsend is the artist of that X-Man image, and he'll be working on on of the new books. AWESOME because I found his DevientArt page and really dig his style!

Edit: Wait, wait, is he just an inker? Fuck, who is the.. Chris Bachalo? Is it him? But, I google'd his name and the art looked totally different..!?
 
WordAssassin said:
Ok, some research tells me that Tim Townsend is the artist of that X-Man image, and he'll be working on on of the new books. AWESOME because I found his DevientArt page and really dig his style!

Edit: Wait, wait, is he just an inker? Fuck, who is the.. Chris Bachalo? Is it him? But, I google'd his name and the art looked totally different..!?
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It is Bachelo. He is awesome. Check out X-Men: Supernovas for example.
 
Answering some questions raised by the teaser image:

Newsarama Interview with Axel Alonso & Nick Lowe

Newsarama: Axel, Nick, we're curious about the timing of the announcement — with the September solicitations just out this week, and [with] Schism not even started yet, why announce the outcome of the story now?

Axel Alonso: Retailers ordering Schism wanted to know: Was it going to be just a throwaway X-story? Some small limited with no after effects? We wanted to get the word out right from the beginning that it would be a big story that had a profound effect on the X-Men and the Marvel Universe so retailers wouldn’t be caught short when ordering.

Nrama: With the announcement today came the "Who Will You Follow?" teaser image. How literal should we be taking it? Is this at all an accurate representation of who is going to end up on which side, or more just a red herring/metaphorical illustration? Then there's the curious matter of Professor X back in a wheelchair, which seems like it must be there for a reason.

Alonso: The “Who Will You Follow?” teaser image is just that: a teaser image. It should not to be taken literally. Professor X’s wheelchair is meant to give the image a classic feel — we’re not putting him back in it. And who’s to say that everyone in that picture will still be alive this September?
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Nrama: And on that note, are there going to be any mutants who either reject the idea of the split entirely, or choose to stay neutral?

Alonso: Given the nature of the split, that would be hard to do.
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Nrama: It's natural to hear this news and wonder how the other X-books will be affected. X-Men: Legacy has just started to establish its own team with Rogue, Magneto, Xavier, etc., a dynamic that would seem to be untenable post-Schism. Adjectiveless X-Men and Astonishing have a bit more of a fluid format, but would also seem to be affected greatly. Are we headed for another shift in direction for Legacy? Will all these titles be sticking around?

Lowe: All the X-Books are going to have to react and deal with the status quo coming out of Schism. Mike Carey, who is the bees knees, has some amazing plans all throughout Schism and has really cool ideas on what Legacy is going to be after that. Adjectiveless X-Men will also feel the effects of Schism but will keep its identity as the most Marvel U-ingrained X-Book with lots of ties to the greater universe. Astonishing, well that’s going to be an announcement all to itself. And you didn’t even mention Uncanny X-Force or New Mutants or X-Factor or Generation Hope. They are all going to feel the effects and be changed by Schism.

Nrama: Let's look at Uncanny X-Force, then — we can't imagine that book is going anywhere, but given Wolverine's leadership status on that team, can we intuit from today's news that there will likely be a significant impact on the book?

Lowe: Yep! You’ll see effects there, too. You’ll have to wait a month or two after the rest of the books because Rick and Jerome are still in the middle of the “Dark Angel Saga” saga as well. But both Schism and “Dark Angel Saga” will change that book in big ways.
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Nrama: The AP article today mentioned a 2012 event with the X-Men playing a major role. Is that an X-Men-specific event like "Second Coming," or a more general Marvel Universe event in which the X-Men are heavily involved? (Which hasn't traditionally been the case with a lot of the big Marvel Universe-wide events.)

Alonso: It’s a Marvel Universe event in which the X-Men will play a major role. For some time, we’ve been promising to get the X-Men woven deep into the fabric of the M.U. — and this is where we do it.
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Newsarama Interview with 'Uncanny' scribe Kieron Gillen

Nrama: I know you can't talk about roster (and really, we wouldn't want you to spoil it!) but with Cyclops as the ostensible leader and a desire for a "world-class superteam," can you describe what kinds of mutant characters you see as being appropriate for that style of team?

Gillen: You're making a presumption here. The Schism is between Cyclops and Wolverine, but we haven't said that Cyclops actually ends up on my side. We haven't said that Cyclops even survives. There's all sorts of possibilities which I wouldn't rule out. Let's see where the end of Schism #5 leaves us.

But generally speaking, what kind of mutants are on my team? Extremely powerful ones. I'd argue the core cast of nine are the most powerful X-team of all time.
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Nrama: What tone are you seeking for the relaunched Uncanny X-Men? Does an attempted shift to world-class superheroics by the team mean a shift in the way the stories are told (i.e. Less drama, more "fun," etc.)?

Gillen: It's a exciting, dramatic high stakes book. It's certainly not what I'd call a "fun" book. As powerful as they are, when they go into battle, they are in absolute peril. It's tonally and recognizably X-men, but with all the needles deep in the red. Cursed to defend a world that hates and fears them, on a larger scale than ever.

There's plenty of internal drama as well. As I said, this is a hefty team. Even keeping them together is a battle. And there's an ethical question over considerable portions of what I'm doing. I quoted Machiavelli all the way back in my .1 issue about whether it's better to be loved or feared. The answer, thought, Machiavelli, is both. The team is that in practice. Yes, they're saving the world... but there's an implicit threat. You mess with mutants? You're messing with us. Do you *really* want to do that?

Oh - and there's some classic X-men villains who are raising their game along with the X-men. I try to write conflict grounded in emotional engagement and personal history, not just on the threat they pose. The Villains, ideally, should say something about the X-men. They should threaten them emotionally and ethically as much as they do physically.
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Newsarama is having a bit of fun speculating on which mutants could end up on Cyclops's and Wolverine's teams, post- Schism. Remember though, it's all in good fun and means absolutely nothing.

http://www.newsarama.com/comics/top-10-new-uncanny-team-members-110616-1.html

10. Cyclops
09.
Hope
08.
Kitty Pryde
07.
Colossus
06.
Storm (with Black Panther tagging along)
05.
Iceman
04.
Cannonball
03.
Psylocke
02.
Captain Britain
01.
Jean Grey, resurrected
:lol

http://www.newsarama.com/comics/top-10-wolverine-and-the-x-men-members-110617-1.html

10. Wolverine
09.
Emma Frost (what)
08.
Beast
07.
Jubilee
06.
Havok
05.
Rogue
04.
Magneto (WHAT)
03.
Professor X
02.
Nate Grey
01.
Jean Grey, resurrected
:lol
 
I wouldn't go with Wolverine for the simple fact that Cyke will keep Utopia and who wants to live in a shack in bumfuck Canada with Wolverine?
 
Slayven said:
I wouldn't go with Wolverine for the simple fact that Cyke will keep Utopia and who wants to live in a shack in bumfuck Canada with Wolverine?
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wolverine has friends. hes done enough favors. maybe there could be a japan based x-team

and i wonder where the kids are going to go
 
Parallax said:
wolverine has friends. hes done enough favors. maybe there could be a japan based x-team

and i wonder where the kids are going to go
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Pound for pound Utopia is probably the safest base on marvel earth. Huge selling point.
 
Slayven said:
Pound for pound Utopia is probably the safest base on marvel earth. Huge selling point.
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really? same thing was said about providence. we all know how that worked out
 
Slayven said:
Providence didn't have Cyclops.
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the same cyclops that sent his son into the future with no idea if he was to come back, and did the same to a handful of x-men? that wouldnt put my mind at ease
 
Anticitizen One said:
THIS is Marvel's response to the big DC news? really??
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Having Gillen and Remender working on X-books is enough to keep me from switching to DC anytime soon, Bachalo is just the icing on the cake.
 
SnakeswithLasers said:
what.jpg

Huh?
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His chest is a frowning face?
 
Slayven said:
I wouldn't go with Wolverine for the simple fact that Cyke will keep Utopia and who wants to live in a shack in bumfuck Canada with Wolverine?
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Wolverine has access to many of Warren's cribs; just an FYI. And while a killer, Wolverine is less likely to sacrifice a fellow X-Men than the current Cyclops is. Kind of weird when you think about it. Cyclops nowadays has Wolverine's "I don't give a fuck, whatever it takes" attitude.

Spike Spiegel said:
Newsarama is having a bit of fun speculating on which mutants could end up on Cyclops's and Wolverine's teams, post- Schism. Remember though, it's all in good fun and means absolutely nothing.

http://www.newsarama.com/comics/top-10-new-uncanny-team-members-110616-1.html

10. Cyclops
09.
Hope
08.
Kitty Pryde
07.
Colossus
06.
Storm (with Black Panther tagging along)
05.
Iceman
04.
Cannonball
03.
Psylocke
02.
Captain Britain
01.
Jean Grey, resurrected
:lol

http://www.newsarama.com/comics/top-10-wolverine-and-the-x-men-members-110617-1.html

10. Wolverine
09.
Emma Frost (what)
08.
Beast
07.
Jubilee
06.
Havok
05.
Rogue
04.
Magneto (WHAT)
03.
Professor X
02.
Nate Grey
01.
Jean Grey, resurrected
:lol
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I couldn't see
Hope
joining, she still harbors some hate toward Scott.
 
Angelus Errare said:
I couldn't see
Hope
joining, she still harbors some hate toward Scott.
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They seem to be setting her up for a "little miss high-and-mighty isn't all she's cracked up to be" -type downfall in her own book, though. Maybe that could cause her to reconsider her stance on Cyclops.
 
Schism sounds like Civil War mutant style.

I would rather have Magneto leading the team so it kinda ties in to Age of Apocalypse.

well if the impressions in GAF is good might check it out, but right now just sticking with Hunt, Chew and Invincible
 
Angelus Errare said:
Wolverine has access to many of Warren's cribs; just an FYI. And while a killer, Wolverine is less likely to sacrifice a fellow X-Men than the current Cyclops is. Kind of weird when you think about it. Cyclops nowadays has Wolverine's "I don't give a fuck, whatever it takes" attitude.
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Not like he is giving Artie a knife and sending him to the frontlines. He sends who is best suited and have the highest chance of making it back.
 
Spike Spiegel said:
They seem to be setting her up for a "little miss high-and-mighty isn't all she's cracked up to be" -type downfall in her own book, though. Maybe that could cause her to reconsider her stance on Cyclops.
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True, but I doubt it'll be enough to make her side with Cyke. Partial wishful thinking on my part, I'd think she'd bloom under Wolverine as opposed to Cyke. When they first introduced Hope I was like this sounds like it's going to be lame. But I'm starting to like her character, she needs more to do. Right now I'm ungodly bored with her story's lack of real progression. As long as she doesn't turn into another Nate Grey, I'll keep reading.

Slayven said:
Not like he is giving Artie a knife and sending him to the frontlines. He sends who is best suited and have the highest chance of making it back.
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Sorta how he sent X-Force......forced X-Force into the future and if they didn't make it....well time would literally fuck them up?

Yeah, Cyke is a dick. Dude is more militant that damn Nick Fury nowadays. But he himself still won't kill. God what a dick.

I've never been the biggest Cyke fan though, so my views on him are jaded.
 
Granted I havent read wizard in a few years but hasnt uncanny been a top 5 seller in 15 years? Why can it now?
 
Angelus Errare said:
Yeah, Cyke is a dick. Dude is more militant that damn Nick Fury nowadays. But he himself still won't kill. God what a dick.
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Cyclops kills dudes when it is absolutely necessary.He recently blew someones head off with his optic blasts during second coming. I don't remember who it was though. Hardly a hypocrite. He disbanded X-Force when Steve Rogers became Top Cop again.

He is not a pacifist like Xavier nor does he harbor ill feelings towards humans like Magneto does.
 
bengraven said:
Nope, a good light. Morrison's run is single-handedly my favorite fun of any superhero comic ever, with my second run being the first Marvel Boy series by...Morrison. He nailed the vibe and created a new vibe. I wasn't able to catch the last few storylines (I never got to read the Kid Omega and Xorn is Magneto stories for example) because I was living in a small town that literally stopped selling comics anywhere.

When Morrison left my local Walmart started selling the next guy's work and when I saw that guy completely erased everything really cool that Morrison did I was done.

It was the line in the first New X-men where Wolverine says "Good, I don't have to wear that crappy yellow jumpsuit anymore" as if he's hated it for years....then the new writer and artist bring back the yellow jumpsuit. That pissed me off. :p

I think I'm pretty much destined to jump ship to DC with Morrison and Jim Lee calling the shots now, considering how much of a fan I am of theirs.
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Oh, he jumped to DC? I may have to look at Batman then.

But yeah, New X-men was really refreshing for someone that jumped into the X-men/Marvel universes from the X-men movies starting in 2000. I only follow the comics semi-causally (as in, barely if ever), so seeing some of the stuff Spike posts makes me go "really, Marvel? Really!?"

Also I dunno who the New X-men artist was for Morrison's run of it, but I want more of their art. Goddamn.

>>Jean Grey should come back<<
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Fuck no, and I say that as a person that kinda liked Jean before the whole "Pheonix" shit ruined her. She's pretty much a Mary Sue for the Marvel universe writers at this point and her staying dead is pretty much the best thing for the X-men universe. Add in the whole "Omega level mutant" bullshit where someone like Iceman can suddenly make a third Ice Age if he so much as gets REALLY pissed, and yeah... terrible.

X-men needs to go back to having character interactions with less "THAT'S SO POWERFUL"/wacky situations and dealing with puberty (teens at Xaviers) and being a "minority"/oppressed.

>>WOLVERINE RUINS THINGS!<<
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No he doesn't. That's like saying Spiderman ruins things. He's popular because he's cool. That's why Marvel slaps him on everything just like they do Deadpool (at least now a days given MvC3), and Spdierman. Yeah, character-wise, they've kinda ruined his "anti-hero" role, but what can you do?
 
Nesotenso said:
Cyclops kills dudes when it is absolutely necessary.He recently blew someones head off with his optic blasts during second coming. I don't remember who it was though. Hardly a hypocrite. He disbanded X-Force when Steve Rogers became Top Cop again.

He is not a pacifist like Xavier nor does he harbor ill feelings towards humans like Magneto dos.
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I'll have to reread second coming, because I don't remember cyke killing any living person/mutant at all really. =\
 
Angelus Errare said:
I'll have to reread second coming, because I don't remember cyke killing any living person/mutant at all really. =\
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Cyclops mercy killed that pig-faced guy in E is for Extinction.

EDIT: He also "killed" Mr Sinister once did he not?
 
Cyke tried to but Mr. Sinister came back alive and well. I forgot about the mercy kill for Pigster as I call him.

But still that's a far "killing" in the sense of; what he sends everyone else to do because he can't.
 
Greg Land is the only reason I sadly won't be reading the Cyke book =(
Jason Aaron is writing the Wolverine book though and I'm looking forward to it.
 
Tizoc said:
Greg Land is the only reason I sadly won't be reading the Cyke book =(
Jason Aaron is writing the Wolverine book though and I'm looking forward to it.
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They will probably continue to have rotating artists on that book. I don't think Greg land can keep up a monthly schedule. Typically does one story arc then trades off with a different artist.
 
I've been reading Uncanny through marvel's free one month pass. I'm up to issue 524, and it's fucking god awful. Hopefully this shake-up can make it better.
 
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