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[DY_nasty]

A big issue i see is that it last 30 seconds with one character and 10 with 3 characters.

The health regen as well. If you use it while having a certain amount of health with a few characters, your opponent will essentially have to bank everything on dropping a heavy ass combo and a hyper to kill you off with any certainty.

Its just plays too much of part of in the match. No one mechanic should have that much influence on a match.

 

[Darkman M]

Nerd Josh is a tournament player, of course he is gonna eat random scrubs for lunch, dont see a problem there.

 

[Acid08]

Yup, exactly why I played MvC2 primarily offline with local friends who share my mindset.

And look at all dem titles. I wanna get all dem mofuckas.

I was the same way, playing with friends was always way more fun because we were in it to get better and have fun doing it.

Getting down a single strategy and spamming does not equal fun for me.

 

[Darkman M]

Wooooooooooooooow, I'm getting some mad Melee vs. Brawl vibes right now. Some Melee pros said fuck Brawl right when the game came out too.

Meta Knight=Sentinel?

O_O

nonthng new 3rd strike vs SF4 etc same old thing.

 

[HK-47]

Just tone down XF to maybe a max of 10% damage, 30% is a lot right now.

The damage isnt the problem so much as time and damage combined. 30 seconds is 1/4 of the timer I think.

I wonder if 10/10, 20/15, and 30/20 for damage/time would be less of an issue for people.

 

[Space Runaway]

Man I love using Super-Skrull but his Tenderizer is so sensitive, especially online. Always makes it look like I'm mega mashing when that pops out at bizarre times. Also his Meteor Smash is straight out of Double Dragon 2 with the controls reversing on each side of the screen.

One thing I actually like about online, you can drop out of the battle queue but still stay in the room if you need to be away for a few mins.

 

[DY_nasty]

Umm yes? What you want is some theoretical uber balance that can never be achieved.

Its way too soon to be talking about the balance of the game, but its pretty clear that people are turned off or skeptical in general because of the early dominance of a few characters in particular.

Josh dominating scrubs pre-release shouldn't shock anyone... especially with such a zone heavy character.

 

[MThanded]

The health regen as well. If you use it while having a certain amount of health with a few characters, your opponent will essentially have to bank everything on dropping a heavy ass combo and a hyper to kill you off with any certainty.

Its just plays too much of part of in the match. No one mechanic should have that much influence on a match.

I would not be surprised if people starting running essentially what is a 2 character team. Saving 3rd character for level 3 xfactor and full health. You could abused the hell out of xfactor buffs.

 

[Acid08]

Umm yes? What you want is some theoretical uber balance that can never be achieved.

Not at all. I'm just saying, ya'll are talking down about the people who are buying the game and playing with teams they think are fun. Not everyone is going to be serious and it sucks for those people that they're going to run into a lot of people online who are all about picking the most ridiculous team.

Its way too soon to be talking about the balance of the game, but its pretty clear that people are turned off or skeptical in general because of the early dominance of a few characters in particular.

Josh dominating scrubs pre-release shouldn't shock anyone... especially with such a zone heavy character.

Not surprised, but it's pretty stupid for the talk in here to devolve into calling people dumb for their team choices. Scrubs deserve to have fun too.

 

[Imm0rt4l]

MvC3 is ASS...

I just wanted to let you guys know, after playing MvC3 a lot lately.. MvC3 SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LMFAO!!

hmm.....


I really hope this is an EG thing. I'd like to be able to enjoy this game past the first week/month. Hopefully these guys are passing judgments prematurely.

 

[def sim]

God forbid people pick the teams they want to use and have fun with because they might get matched with a bullshit team like team ASS right?

Nothing wrong with picking a team you like, but expecting a random group to be able to handle every situation is unrealistic. The cast is diverse and have their own strengths and weaknesses so they will not always be right against certain characters.

That said, it's day -2. People will find a way through projectile zoning just like every other fighting game ever.

 

[enzo_gt]

Wooooooooooooooow, I'm getting some mad Melee vs. Brawl vibes right now. Some Melee pros said fuck Brawl right when the game came out too.

Meta Knight=Sentinel?

O_O

This is a good analogy. All those bitter tears at the release of Brawl with pros saying Meta Knight was too cheap and broke their beloved game. Time will tell if Sentinel is overpowered, right now, it's leaning quite a bit to "yes he is overpowered."

Umm yes? What you want is some theoretical uber balance that can never be achieved.

Then.. god forbid we want balance instead of justification for intentionally broken characters like MvC3 Sentinel? No one demands uber balance, but broken parts of the game should be up for criticism.

 

[Jinfash]

I would say WAIT UNTIL EVO at least and then decide. Most likely a nerf to both would be enough or at least the best thing to do is to nerf Sentinel WITH X Factor.

Yeah, XF Sent is the stuff of nightmares.

 

[HK-47]

Nerd Josh is a tournament player, of course he is gonna eat random scrubs for lunch, dont see a problem there.

Plus people are basing this off of one stream on day -3. Plus people are familar with Sent and Storm. We will see how godlike they are when the new characters get brought up to speed.

 

[Neki]

The damage isnt the problem so much as time and damage combined. 30 seconds is 1/4 of the timer I think.

I wonder if 10/10, 20/15, and 30/20 for damage/time would be less of an issue for people.

I thought the damage was a big problem. Sentinel can start 100% people with level 3 XF without even using a hyper. If it was toned down, it'd be less of an issue. Yeah, 30 seconds is a bit long, it shouldn't last that long with one character, maybe an extra 5 seconds at max.

 

[MThanded]

Originally Posted by Ricky Ortiz:
MvC3 is ASS...

Originally Posted by Marn:
I just wanted to let you guys know, after playing MvC3 a lot lately.. MvC3 SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LMFAO!!

 

[marathonfool]

hmm.....


I really hope this is an EG thing. I'd like to be able to enjoy this game past the first week/month. Hopefully these guys are passing judgments prematurely.

MK9 the new King?

Spoiler

lol

 

[tapedeck]

Originally Posted by Ricky Ortiz:
MvC3 is ASS...

Originally Posted by Marn:
I just wanted to let you guys know, after playing MvC3 a lot lately.. MvC3 SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LMFAO!!

welp

the fuck

 

[QisTopTier]

Originally Posted by Ricky Ortiz:
MvC3 is ASS...

Originally Posted by Marn:
I just wanted to let you guys know, after playing MvC3 a lot lately.. MvC3 SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LMFAO!!

welp

marn mad about max?

Their 1 day opinion is pretty funny though. People said BB sucked all the time, people have opinions I played it anyways personally I think it shits all over sf4.

Spoiler

Although GG is better

 

[BamYouHaveAids]

I'm oddly reminded of the "Final Smash: For or Against" type of arguments I saw back during the apex of the Brawl days anytime X-Factor gets brought up here. :lol

The way I see it, X Factor is Hype Factor, there's multiple viable ways to use it, just gotta find out what works best for your style.

XF isn't hype. The reason comebacks are hype is because they are improbable. No one gets hyped when Abel lands a breathless and takes 80% of a character's health, people get hyped when someone destroys and entire team with a mid tier assist character at half health like Cyclops. Making comebacks retardly easy removes the hype from them.

 

[HK-47]

Originally Posted by Ricky Ortiz:
MvC3 is ASS...

Originally Posted by Marn:
I just wanted to let you guys know, after playing MvC3 a lot lately.. MvC3 SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LMFAO!!

welp

I'm really curious what Yipes's opinion is now

 

[Jinfash]

Originally Posted by Ricky Ortiz:
MvC3 is ASS...

Originally Posted by Marn:
I just wanted to let you guys know, after playing MvC3 a lot lately.. MvC3 SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LMFAO!!

Hahahaha more people are lining in.

 

[DY_nasty]

Its the most scrub friendly game I've ever seen in years but thats definitely what Capcom aimed for... All they needed to do was throw in an easy-stick from BB or maybe drop QCF inputs all together for Smash inputs and they could've gone full cheese. Don't take this as hate. I'm getting it day 1 too, but it is what it is.

I would not be surprised if people starting running essentially what is a 2 character team. Saving 3rd character for level 3 xfactor and full health.

Its already a common theme in a lot matches I've seen. It can be countered, but no way should a comeback mechanic ever be this strong... This is Juice from Monday Night Combat level shit.

 

[Door2Dawn]

Originally Posted by Ricky Ortiz:
MvC3 is ASS...

Originally Posted by Marn:
I just wanted to let you guys know, after playing MvC3 a lot lately.. MvC3 SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LMFAO!!

they best be trollin'

 

[Spirit of Jazz]

God forbid people pick the teams they want to use and have fun with because they might get matched with a bullshit team like team ASS right?

The solution to this is play with friends and not people who are competitive?

Fuck, what a crazy world we live in when the well thought out teams win over the random ones.

 

[El Sloth]

Honestly the other players have more patience than me, I would have already rage quit

I'm certain that's ecause they would rather not get stuck in Rage-quitter hell.

Originally Posted by Ricky Ortiz:
MvC3 is ASS...

Originally Posted by Marn:
I just wanted to let you guys know, after playing MvC3 a lot lately.. MvC3 SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LMFAO!!

welp

I've noticed that majority of complaints seem to be coming from the West Coast. Other than Sanford, what has the East Coast been saying?

 

[MThanded]

So EG not going to be playing mvc3 at all? Get that free money boys.

 

[GitarooMan]

Talk about snap judgments.

 

[HK-47]

XF isn't hype. The reason comebacks are hype is because they are improbable. No one gets hyped when Abel lands a breathless and takes 80% of a character's health, people get hyped when someone destroys and entire team with a mid tier assist character at half health like Cyclops. Making comebacks retardly easy removes the hype from them.

Cyke is right below the gods. He aint mid tier in any sense.

Not saying 3v1 comebacks with him arent impressive though.

 

[spindashing]

hmm.....


I really hope this is an EG thing. I'd like to be able to enjoy this game past the first week/month. Hopefully these guys are passing judgments prematurely.

Wait, wait... Ricky says it's ASS. And Marn...

" just wanted to let you guys know, after playing MvC3 a lot lately.. MvC3 SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LMFAO!!"

Those exclamation points. Seems like a delay.

"Sucks" what? "Sucks ass" maybe. "Sucks ASS"? I see. The code!

The KFC and the Popeyes. The fight of the century. What do these fried foods do to you if you consume them too much?

They give you a big ASS.

And what about Turquoise Jeep vs. Wu-Tang? Both these groups glorify a certain aspect of the female human body. Grab My Belt? Dog Shit?

They just want a piece of dat ASS.

I...Cracked the code. I'm not even an ass man, but I think it's time to agree...

Marvel vs Capcom 3 brought dat ASS.

 

[DY_nasty]

Plus people are basing this off of one stream on day -3. Plus people are familar with Sent and Storm. We will see how godlike they are when the new characters get brought up to speed.

Day 400, lvl 3 xf won't hit any less hard.

I don't have a problem with sent in particular... tiers are one thing, overpowered mechanics are another.

 

[El Sloth]

So EG not going to be playing mvc3 at all? Get that free money boys.

Marn isn't a part of EG anymore.

 

[Stabby McSter]

the backlash, it's started!

 

[Acid08]

The solution to this is play with friends and not people who are competitive?

Fuck, what a crazy world we live in when the well thought out teams win over the random ones.

What a crazy world we live in when you can pick 3 (maybe) broken characters together and dominate almost every other team by spamming the same moves.

 

[Threi]

Protip: You have the bullshit, broken x-factor as well, not just your opponent.

 

[Fersis]

Early judgements are early.
Do you guys remember SFIV? The first month Rufus was low tier. lol
And its fine if Ricky,JWong,marn,etc dont like the game. Thats life.
Trivia: Daigo doesnt like SFIV.

the backlash, it's started!

Im surprised it took so long.

 

[Knux-Future]

Man the hype in this thread has died hard.

I'm glad I suck too bad notice if something is truly broken or not. Although the projectile spam Im seeing on the stream reminds me of KOFXI final boss bullshit.

Meh, I'm just gonna have fun and not try to become the best there is.

 

[HK-47]

I've noticed that majority of complaints seem to be coming from the West Coast. Other than Sanford, what has the East Coast been saying?

Other than Sanford I dont think we have heard opinions from any of the huge players on EC yet. At least they havent been broadcast.

 

[Jinfash]

Team ASS is Arthur/Sent/Storm, and not Akuma/Sent/Storm, right?

 

[Infinite Justice]

So EG not going to be playing mvc3 at all? Get that free money boys.

I doubt thats gonna stop them.

Marn also, especially since hes no longer a team member (mo money matches)

 

[El Sloth]

the backlash, it's started!

It's a forgone conclusion for every single game at this point. Can't think of any off the top of my head that hasn't had a harsh backlash after the initial hype starts wearing off.

 

[h3ro]

Other than Sanford I dont think we have heard opinions from any of the huge players on EC yet. At least they havent been broadcast.

What did Sanford say? Link?

 

[DY_nasty]

Protip: You have the bullshit, broken x-factor as well, not just your opponent.

You're missing what I'm saying.

I'm saying that X-factor has too much weight in any given match. It makes ultra look trivial in comparison.

 

[spindashing]

Team ASS is Arthur/Sent/Storm, and not Akuma/Sent/Storm, right?

Could be Amaterasu/Storm/Sentinel. =)

 

[Yoshichan]

People complaining about this game: go back to casual fighter #8216 instead then. You won't be missed.

 

[Papercuts]

Protip: You have the bullshit, broken x-factor as well, not just your opponent.

And the use of this dumb mechanic is the deciding factor of the matches, that's the problem.

 

[Dahbomb]

I would not be surprised if people starting running essentially what is a 2 character team. Saving 3rd character for level 3 xfactor and full health.

Sentinel has been relegated to a back up point man now because of this. It's like first 2 characters play and then Sentinel come in LAST to finish the fight with X Factor.

It has it's risks and benefits. For one if the other 2 characters get snuffed without the opposition using their X Factor, they can basically coax Sentinel into a combo and then take him out in one combo using X Factor plus hyper meters.

And sometimes it's better to use X Factor early. Like in team ASS, if someone just used their X Factor early to take out Arthur it would cripple the team as the keep away game falls apart.

X Factor being a part of team dynamics is to be expected but people are basically abusing X Factor on Sentinel and on Storm's Hail.

 

[Jinfash]

oh my god El Sloth's avatar is getting de-hyped with every dissenting tweet.

 

[MThanded]

Protip: You have the bullshit, broken x-factor as well, not just your opponent.

True. I think they should make level 3 and level one xfactor closer when it comes to damage and chip negation/regen.

 

[Acid08]

Could be Amaterasu/Storm/Sentinel. =)

Could be Akuma/She-Hulk/Shuma!