Marvel Vs. Capcom: Infinite Characters and Stages Roster Discussion Thread
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Do it yourself. You're the one who actually likes it.
I can't even find the dang US numbers (except that one site we aren't allowed to mention) so all I got is this PAL chart where it sold like shit.
Well, you're likely not wrong. I'd be shocked if Itsuno's next project wasn't DMC5, & I'm pretty sure that Ninja Theory is doing something else.
*lights the Sesha Signal(tm) for DMC Sales talk*
My vote would be for the new. But I wouldn't worry, cuz more than likely, DLC would have things covered.
My vote would be for the new. But I wouldn't worry, cuz more than likely, DLC would have things covered.
Jawmuncher
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Never say Never.
I fully expect DmC to live in smaller forms. Whether it's random spinoff appearances or as skins, costumes. Even DMC4SE had a nod to it with one of the Dante skins. Not to mention taking some things from it and giving it to DMC Vergil.
Capcom doesn't hate the title like some think. It was received generally well outside the hardcore fanbase. If anything it reminds me a lot of RE5. A lot of people didn't like it due to its changes but taken on its own, its still a competent product.
Will they make a DmC 2? Doubtful. But I think we'll see nods to it here and there. Even to the dislike of some.
I will say if DMC MVCI reps were all DmC this go around, it'd be rather intersting.
I fully expect DmC to live in smaller forms. Whether it's random spinoff appearances or as skins, costumes. Even DMC4SE had a nod to it with one of the Dante skins. Not to mention taking some things from it and giving it to DMC Vergil.
Capcom doesn't hate the title like some think. It was received generally well outside the hardcore fanbase. If anything it reminds me a lot of RE5. A lot of people didn't like it due to its changes but taken on its own, its still a competent product.
Will they make a DmC 2? Doubtful. But I think we'll see nods to it here and there. Even to the dislike of some.
I will say if DMC MVCI reps were all DmC this go around, it'd be rather intersting.
I keep saying this, they need to make it a parallel dimension thing and make it canon. DmC Dante should be a boss in DMC5.
Have him throw up a bunch of middle fingers and be a douche in general, and have him get owned by Dante.
Jawmuncher
Member
This is personally what I want. Not like it's a stretch with all the hell portals and other fuckery the series has.
Like why? No one gives a fuck about this much outside of 5 people. It has no legacy to keep a live.
Jawmuncher
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There is a fanbase for stuff that doesn't have a lot of talk on GAF. Neogaf is the hardcore aspect of gaming, so the views here don't always match with outside perspectives. I'm not saying DmC is easily more popular than DMC or anything. But there's definitely more people who enjoy only that style, or perhaps wouldn't mind seeing either than GAF would make you think.
The game even selling less than DMC4, still went on to sell a million + and have a definitive edition that also did well.
Stallion Dan
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If you make a claim back it up. My numbers from Capcom platinum titles list if you want to know.
Number 6 for a no advertisement full price Remaster isn't bad. It has been discounted pretty cheap for a good while so would be surprised if sales aren't respectable.
J_Macgrady
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There will be nods to it of course, but to be honest the main people I've seen that like the game a lot are usually the try hard "Ya mad Donte doesn't have white hair" kind of people. That's not everyone and I did give DE a try due to all of the additions and thought it was ok, but this isn't the RE5 situation.
I actually prefer the blue-&-red variant of that costume (the GotG team uniform from the 2008 era of the series).yikes that new costume is bad. spandex on a dude who's supposed to be like han solo? no thanks.
just pick his movie costume or his annihilation costume
save the spandex for actual superpowered dudes, it's mega weird on regular folk
Though in all likelihood, we'll probably get this costume (his MCU outfit, or more specifically his cartoon outfit based on the movie one) as the default.
As for his new costume, I actually like it. It's a nice compromise between his MCU outfit & his Annihilation outfit.
I feel it's opposite for DmC. Outside of hardcore gaming places like neogaf, DmC has faded away from any kind of mindshare
Stallion Dan
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To be fair most of the complainant were from people not good enough to complain about the gameplay.
Linking to a DMC4 combo vid they'd never get close to achieving and complaining DmC cannot do that is a hollow complaint used to hide the shallowness of the real complaints. Look at the reactions to the mop hair scene, true colours showing from a lot of DMC fans there.
Not all fans, ligit criticisms exist etc etc.
Jawmuncher
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The only thing I can add is that ATM, only DmC has any sort of retail presence for XB1 and PS4. Since DMC4SE never got a retail release in the west.
It'll be interesting to see what we get this year. Since I feel like it's about the right time to see DMC return in whatever form it'll be.
Alternate costumes/colors in DMC5 or MvCI for the mainline DMC characters is the farthest I'd expect DmC to be represented in the future. Otherwise, Capcom seems to be washing their hands clean of the attempted reboot after they let Ninja Theory do their Definitive Edition (which actually was alright).
J_Macgrady
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The whole point of the reboot was "the OG series isn't good enough, but this is gonna be a whole lot better and sell more." Whether you liked the old series or not, you can't expect people to not have a negative reaction that. That leads to showing off combo videos because maybe everyone can't explain in detail what they don't like about the new game, but they know it's not this. You don't have to always do the 10 page MLA format essay for video games or be the greatest ever at them. It's simple: do you enjoy it/does this makes you happy or not? For a lot of DMC fans, the answer was no when it came to DmC. It shouldn't be hard to see why if you've played 3/4 a lot and then played DmC. It's not rocket science.
You know there's a DmC costume in DMC4SE right?
There might be a DmC alt costume in Marvel Infinite and I am perfectly fine with that. Let those fans have something too. Capcom gains nothing from shunning out those fans.
DMC "purists" scoff at the idea of a parallel universe in DMC but I would love it. Have OG Dante square off against DmC Dante.
There might be a DmC alt costume in Marvel Infinite and I am perfectly fine with that. Let those fans have something too. Capcom gains nothing from shunning out those fans.
DMC "purists" scoff at the idea of a parallel universe in DMC but I would love it. Have OG Dante square off against DmC Dante.
DeadPhoenix9065
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What would be cool if characters got more than 1 alternate.
I need multiple choices man.
I need multiple choices man.
Hence why I'm expecting DmC colors or costumes for the mainline DMC crew in MvCI & DMC5 (whenever it's announced). They gave Dante his DmC colors in DMC4:SE.
That'd be easier for the MCU-TV crew than the MCU-Film characters.
Yeah I agree but I was speaking of Dante here in this case against the DMC vs DmC debate.
It would be fun if the MCU Film would make a cameo somewhere there
DaytimeWhiskey
Banned
Yeah hopefully Capcom and Marvel support this title long term and hook us up with tons of dlc/extras, too many possibilities
Worst thing about DmC was the PR, not the game itself especially after DmC DE. People make out DmC to be some DMC2 level failure when critically and sales wise it didn't do that bad at all. I don't think a by the numbers DMC5 instead of DmC would have done that much better in the same time frame. But I think market preferences have changes since then and now with stuff like Nioh and Souls games out people are more receptive to game play and challenge heavy mid budget games. And plus with Marvel 3 the value of the classic DMC characters have grown, there is more awareness of a character like Vergil.
With the amount of costume's comicbook characters have, this game is gonna have hella alt dlc. Hell they can loot box alts/colors like overwatch does.
Stallion Dan
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The hate exploded before gameplay was even shown let alone experienced. A lot of it was clearly about looks of Dante and nothing else.
As someone who has only fully played the first devil. May cry game and my only other experience is using Dante in Mvc3.
I dig a lot of stuff about DmC. I don't mind the design or anything and would be okay with seeing it back.
I'd actually love a brand new design for Dante in mvci, a similar but different costume/devil trigger could be cool.
I dig a lot of stuff about DmC. I don't mind the design or anything and would be okay with seeing it back.
I'd actually love a brand new design for Dante in mvci, a similar but different costume/devil trigger could be cool.
DeadPhoenix9065
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I hope they do. Im guessing if the title sells past expectations then they'll stick around. If they do, man id drop a months paycheck for dlc.
This would make the game worth sticking to in my eyes. Heck like i told DaytimeWhiskey:
From my recollection the HD collection & DMC4:SE both outsold DmC
E.Barf. If they want to sell cosmetics, fine. Just not by slimy gambling micro-transactions. Those are awful. Just put decent content up for sale and price it reasonably. Let people just buy what they like.
Not saying I like it, but I do wonder what system they'll use and lootboxes have proven to be lucrative.
They can have both systems. Stick a ton of shit into lootboxes(costumes, taunts, whatever the fuck else, except characters) and have lootboxes and characters earnable by both ingame and actual money.
Scrapping the loot boxes and making everything purchasable with ingame/ or actual money would be ideal though of course.
Shrug, this type of game is a dlc goldmine so we'll be getting something.
They can have both systems. Stick a ton of shit into lootboxes(costumes, taunts, whatever the fuck else, except characters) and have lootboxes and characters earnable by both ingame and actual money.
Scrapping the loot boxes and making everything purchasable with ingame/ or actual money would be ideal though of course.
Shrug, this type of game is a dlc goldmine so we'll be getting something.
Having unlockable stuff like profiles pics, colors, etc via a totally in-game store like MvC2 is reasonable.
I just pray they don't implement a system like SFV where they have to charge a ridiculous amount for costumes to compensate for allowing major content to be earned. It just skews the pricing too much. Just stick to the standard DLC add-ons like MvC3, SFIV, MKX, etc and avoid SFV's model like the plague.
I don't expect a free-to-earn character model for this with Marvel involved, anyway, so it's probably not a concern.
Stallion Dan
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To be fair, the only thing that got screwed over by that model were the alternate costumes, which were purely cosmetic to begin with.
The issues were more of the crappy launch & the QoL issues than the Fight Money system. I'd honestly take that over having to get Super versions every 2 years where I can't even keep up with balance changes without having to get a paid DLC update.
Quite frankly, those types of people who keep regurgitating that need to not only get the side eye, but also need to go kick rocks.
The fight money system had nothing to do with how SFV underperformed. At all.
Yeah, but it screwed over the costume buyers hard, specially those who bought the season pass. In a super-hero game, the potential demand for so many fan-favorite alternate outfits would be much bigger than most of those random SFV ones, so it could be much more off-putting.
I don't think this is true at all. I think it definitely impacted the design decisions and content, and ultimately people's experience. The whole package was designed around it. Look at survival mode. It was the main way get FM. People hated it. Also, the roster count affected perceptions. I don't think you can say the fact that they were telling people you could earn characters for free had no effect on how many characters they decided to put in the initial roster. With the FM system in place and the promise of free characters, it gave them more freedom to skimp on the initial roster count. If they just went with standard paid DLC, in no way would I see them launching with 16 characters. Despite the promise of more coming, many people thought that number was low.
Stallion Dan
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I meant DLC sales, I pretty much never see premium costumes while SFIV series saw them all the time.
I see Premium Costumes in every 2nd or 3rd match (& not just the Battle Outfits for the DLC characters), so.....yeah. Akuma's Nostalgia Costume & Karin's Swimsuit seem to be the more commonly-purchased ones based on the people I've fought online.
It might not have helped that the devs went out of their way to mock the older games (including doing a big slideshow that amounted to "lol Dante is gay").
Or that the first ten minutes has a joke flipping off the old series.
Or that it's just generally shit.
I highly doubt that fight money system was a major factor. The rocky launch, server issues and low content were the defining factors on why people passed on SFV. The roster count would've been scrutinized either way because either more than 44 characters had to come out the gate initially or be deemed "worst SF game ever."