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[AWizardDidIt]

Capcpom has literally no reason to do anything like this, X-Men characters have been considered mainstays for the MvC games. If anything, they probably fought for them.

I love hating on Capcpom as much as the next person but let's try to be a bit realistic here.

X-Men characters were mainstays in the past because during that time the X-men were the most popular marvel characters and Marvel as a multimedia brand didn't really exist.

Shit's changed a lot since then and I think you really overvalue how much Capcom as a company has any investment in what comic book characters they use or how much importance the presence of the X-men dictates sales.

 

[Risero]

ew no, leave Gambit back in the 90s that spawned him

X-men, weaponized cards, energy blasts, quarter staves. These 4 badass components used to live together as one badass character, but everything changed when the X men nation attacked. Only Gambit, master of all 4 elements could stop them, but when the world needed him most, he vanished. 17 years passed and my brother and I discovered a new Gambit, a young actor named Channing Tatum. Although his card throwing skills are great, he has a lot to learn before he's ready to save anybody (OOF!). But I think, Gambit can save Marvel 4

 

[Lulubop]

X-Men characters were mainstays in the past because during that time the X-men were the most popular marvel characters and Marvel as a multimedia brand didn't really exist.

Shit's changed a lot since then and I think you really overvalue how much Capcom as a company has any investment in what comic book characters they use or how much importance the presence of the X-men dictates sales.

You're really insane if you think Capcom didn't want the Xmen on the lanuch line up. Liek there's no way. Wolverine is literally the most important character in the VS series, and Capcom likes to keep the legacy of the series going. Even in 3 they fought for staples of the series, and Shuma for whatever reason.

 

[J-Tier]

Thread has gotten weird. Some of y'all are trippin.

 

[Doctrine Dark]

I'm pretty sure Seth Killian had to fight just to get Magneto, Storm, and Sentinel in the previous game. Wolverine and Deadpool were a given, but the idea of Marvel not being open to many X-Men reps is by no means far-fetched.

The game is dominated by the MCU. Marvel has been pushing the MCU for awhile now. These roster choices align perfectly with what Marvel is doing nowadays. This is totally on Marvel.

 

[AWizardDidIt]

You're really insane if you think Capcom didn't want the Xmen on the lanuch line up. Liek there's no way. Wolverine is literally the most important character in the VS series, and Capcom likes to keep the legacy of the series going. Even in 3 they fought for staples of the series, and Shuma for whatever reason.

I don't think it's insane to think that businesses don't actually give half as much a shit as their fans do. Especially when Capcom hasn't seemed to particularly care about their "Legacy" in a long time.

 

[Lulubop]

I don't think it's insane to think that businesses don't actually give half as much a shit as their fans do. Especially when Capcom hasn't seemed to particularly care about their "Legacy" in a long time.

Come on son, Wolverine is still insanely popular and also important to this series. Capcom would want him in this game no matter. The fact that he's not in says it all. You don't think Wolverine is good for business? Stop

 

[Doctrine Dark]

There's no reason to even believe that, though. Why would Capcom want to make things 10 times harder on themselves by not including them?

X-Men were literally in every single Vs game. The idea of Capcom not wanting to rep them even though they know what their presence means for the series is ridiculous. Why not just follow the narrative of the lack of muties/F4 in other games instead of believing this is a Capcom thing? Wolverine and Deadpool are automatic draws. Neither being in is clearly a Marvel decision. Just look at the MCU based roster.

 

[Karsticles]

What abot Pyron :s

He's an alien, not a demon, right?

Plus, does Pyron even do anything cool? Jedah is trying to grow a new god in an extra-dimensional womb. That's fucking badass.

It's funny how Jedah was originally going to be Morrigan's brother.

Yea, that works better. Jedah and Mephisto

You want to replace the Lord of the Dark Dimension with a guy whose biggest agenda item is annulling Spider-man's marriage?

 

[AWizardDidIt]

Capcom ain't a person, they're people in suits that make deals with other people in suits. I think if the money says so they'll absolutely throw wolverine and legacy favorites under a bus. Ain't nothing capcom's done lately that makes me think otherwise.

I'm not saying Marvel isn't "to blame". I'm saying that Capcom likely met them part of the way there.

 

[Ryce]

X-Men characters were mainstays in the past because during that time the X-men were the most popular marvel characters and Marvel as a multimedia brand didn't really exist.

Shit's changed a lot since then and I think you really overvalue how much Capcom as a company has any investment in what comic book characters they use or how much importance the presence of the X-men dictates sales.

X-Men Gold and Blue are currently among Marvel's highest selling monthly comics, and the Deadpool and Logan movies did extremely well both critically and commercially. The "X-Men are a relic of the past" narrative was invented by Marvel out of film rights pettiness. They've gone so far as to Photoshop X-Men characters out of classic comic book covers and T-shirts. The public still loves the X-Men brand despite Marvel's best attempts to pretend that it doesn't exist.

 

[Risero]

Pretty sure that from Capcom/Marvel's perspective the only people who care strongly about the X men are the hardcore fans and FGC who will buy the game and it's DLC no matter what so it make sense to put the MCU in the base roster to advertise towards the casuals/normies then put Xmen as DLC so the hardcore fans who are going to buy the DLC anyways will get their Xmen.

Still really scummy but something along those lines was probably what was going through their heads

 

[Jawmuncher]

Pretty sure that from Capcom/Marvel's perspective the only people who care strongly about the X men are the hardcore fans and FGC who will buy the game and it's DLC no matter what so it make sense to put the MCU in the base roster to advertise towards the casuals/normies then put Xmen as DLC so the hardcore fans who are going to buy the DLC anyways will get their Xmen.

Still really scummy but something along those lines was probably what was going through their heads

I would say characters like Wolverin and Magneto probably have significance with normals

 

[Neoxon]

I would say characters like Wolverin and Magneto probably have significance with normals

Deadpool, too

 

[Doctrine Dark]

In that interview, Evans says they weren't restricted and simply choose the characters that fit the system well.

He also said "not all characters appearing in the future are from the MCU". The "future" could be referring to the remaining unannounced characters or DLC, but I think it's about the latter. I wish there was a better translation of this.

 

[TheSpoiler]

Making money off your full game the first week and not dealing with fall out > selling them as DLC straight off the bat. It's a waste of DLC development when that could be used for other popular characters.

 

[Lulubop]

He's an alien, not a demon, right?

Plus, does Pyron even do anything cool? Jedah is trying to grow a new god in an extra-dimensional womb. That's fucking badass.

It's funny how Jedah was originally going to be Morrigan's brother.


You want to replace the Lord of the Dark Dimension with a guy whose biggest agenda item is annulling Spider-man's marriage?

No, not replace. I'm just saying they're pairing makes more sense, like Dorm and Pyron.

 

[DR2K]

Capcpom has literally no reason to do anything like this, X-Men characters have been considered mainstays for the MvC games. If anything, they probably fought for them.

I love hating on Capcpom as much as the next person but let's try to be a bit realistic here.

Even I agree here. Ther a no way Capcom could be that stupid. Then again there are 2 GnG reps. So I dunno.

 

[Turbanator]

This is so stupid.

You know what devalues the brands? Making shitty movies.

I'm pretty sure the F4 is leeching money from Fox rather than the other way around.

Wouldn't be surprised at all if Fox were only keeping the license to them to be petty in response to Marvel going ham on shutting down advertising.

 

[Tetsuo9999]

How does preordering physical games work on Amazon with Prime? They're selling it for $48 with the discount and I have enough stuff to trade it to get it for "free", but I'm unsure on how their shipment works. They guarantee the shipment on release day and there's a chance it comes earlier than that, right?

 

[IntelliHeath]

I'm pretty sure Seth Killian had to fight just to get Magneto, Storm, and Sentinel in the previous game. Wolverine and Deadpool were a given, but the idea of Marvel not being open to many X-Men reps is by no means far-fetched.

The game is dominated by the MCU. Marvel has been pushing the MCU for awhile now. These roster choices align perfectly with what Marvel is doing nowadays. This is totally on Marvel.

Nope, Seth had to push for Sentinel to be part of the roster because of MVC2 legacy. That's it from top of my head. Also Capcom developers want Shuma-Gorath in.

How does preordering physical games work on Amazon with Prime? They're selling it for $48 with the discount and I have enough stuff to trade it to get it for "free", but I'm unsure on how their shipment works. They guarantee the shipment on release day and there's a chance it comes earlier than that, right?

In some people's cases, they got the game one day early so you might get lucky out. However I have heard some stories that they got their games late.

 

[Tetsuo9999]

Nope, Seth had to push for Sentinel to be part of the roster because of MVC2 legacy. That's it from top of my head. Also Capcom developers want Shuma-Gorath in.



In some people's cases, they got the game one day early so you might get lucky out. However I have heard some stories that they got their games late.

I'm fairly certain they'll just credit me something else if that happens, right? I was about to do the trade/preorder now.

 

[Blueblur1]

If it's true that Capcom chose not to include the X men of their own will, I will publicly execute Combofiend French Revolution style

Yoooo wtf??? Messed up but hilarious (also I'm hopped up on cough medicine right now)

 

[JayEH]

How does preordering physical games work on Amazon with Prime? They're selling it for $48 with the discount and I have enough stuff to trade it to get it for "free", but I'm unsure on how their shipment works. They guarantee the shipment on release day and there's a chance it comes earlier than that, right?

You should get it by release if not they'll give you a month of prime or something like that. I haven't heard of people getting amazon games early only best buy.

 

[Risero]

Is there any way to get a discount on the PC version?

 

[Turbanator]

http://www.allkeyshop.com/blog/buy-marvel-vs-capcom-infinite-cd-key-compare-prices/

Press the "SHOP NOW" button next to whatever store has the cheapest price. Don't worry about Euros, you'll usually be redirected to the respective US site.

I'm personally waiting on a cheap Deluxe Edition before i hop on board. No site seems to have those yet.

 

[Skab]

https://www.eventhubs.com/news/2017...s-being-paid-positive-mvci-opinions-unlikely/

Sad that we needed an article dedicated to this.

 

[DR2K]

https://www.eventhubs.com/news/2017...s-being-paid-positive-mvci-opinions-unlikely/

Sad that we needed an article dedicated to this.

If this game is dead then pro players lose a big source of income. I don't think Capcom even has the pockets to pay their staff adequately.

I do think the general excitement among pro players is phoned in. We'll probably get more honest opinions when there's less to lose

 

[Sou Da]

If this game is dead then pro players lose a big source of income. I don't think Capcom even has the pockets to pay their staff adequately.

I do think the general excitement among pro players is phoned in. We'll probably get more honest opinions when there's less to lose

Jesus Christ this is some Youtube comment tier logic.

 

[DR2K]

Jesus Christ this is some Youtube comment tier logic.

It's a fact that there's going to be a lot of prize money floating around the E-Sport scene.

 

[TheSpoiler]

If this game is dead then pro players lose a big source of income. I don't think Capcom even has the pockets to pay their staff adequately.

I do think the general excitement among pro players is phoned in. We'll probably get more honest opinions when there's less to lose

That would work if everyone wasn't able to play the game on the showroom floor and back those opinions up. Unless all those non pro impressions are somehow paid off?

Also that's not how eSports works.

 

[7Th]

Magneto is the highest profile comic book villain that doesn't appear primarily in Batman stories; even if he isn't really a villain these days.

 

[JayEH]

I seriously can't believe some of you are still legitimately thinking these guys can't just like the game. It's not like any amount of shilling would even change the public perception of the game right now anyway.

 

[Newniverse]

You guys can't get X-Men in this game. Additional pylons are needed.

 

[Skilletor]

It is utterly fucking ridiculous that people think positive impressions of MvC:I are paid off.

 

[Doctrine Dark]

It's a fact that there's going to be a lot of prize money floating around the E-Sport scene.

These same players are excited for DBFZ.

It's only considered fabricated by those who don't like the game. Nothing more, nothing less. When you have Champ saying "SFV is trash" in countless interviews, there's usually no one challenging his opinion if they agree with him on that.

Now that MVCI is the game to hate, his opinion is suddenly an example of him "shilling" for the game. Come on.

 

[ColonialHawk]

I find it funny that when there's genuine but reserved excitement for this game, the response is to think that shilling must be the root cause.

Like that's the first thought, that there was no possible way this game could be good and all positive responses are shilling.

 

[Skilletor]

These same players are excited for DBFZ.

It's only considered fabricated by those who don't like the game. Nothing more, nothing less. When you have Champ saying "SFV is trash" in countless interviews, there's usually no one challenging his opinion if they agree with him on that.

Now that MVCI is the game to hate, his opinion is suddenly an example of him "shilling" for the game. Come on.

Seriously.

 

[Newniverse]

Don't know if this was posted already, but here is Digital Foundry on the Story Demo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqwrbRPo3W4

 

[DR2K]

That would work if everyone wasn't able to play the game on the showroom floor and back those opinions up. Unless all those non pro impressions are somehow paid off?

Also that's not how eSports works.

Tons of people also played the demo, so it's not like most people don't have a point of reference in what the pros are playing.

There's a lot of potential in the gameplay system, but the reactions are over the top. Which is why a lot of people are questioning the authenticity of the reactions.

Also MVCi didn't win a single award at E3, even among its own peers. For a game being catered to casuals, it isn't working as intended.

Esports = money. Dead game = no esports. No esports/big scene = no money. To say money doesn't have any sort of influence is naive.

 

[Stone Ocean]

I seriously can't believe some of you are still legitimately thinking these guys can't just like the game. It's not like any amount of shilling would even change the public perception of the game right now anyway.

Of course they can, but it's hard to trust opinions from people that get hyper excited over basic fighting game shit - HE DID A J.L AND IT CROSSED UP OH MY GOOOOOOOOOOOD THANOS IS SO SICK HE CAN COMBO J.H INTO J.H

This isn't particular to MVCI mind you, I just don't trust any hyperbolic pre-release opinions about anything related to fighting games be they good or bad. Too many years of "OMG GUYS THE NETCODE IS TOTES THE BEST THING EVER"

 

[Rhaknar]

I find it funny that when there's genuine but reserved excitement for this game, the response is to think that shilling must be the root cause.

Like that's the first thought, that there was no possible way this game could be good and all positive responses are shilling.

of course it cant be good, it looks like butt (or is it poop? whatever fecal analogy you youngsters like to throw out these days)

 

[Skilletor]

Tons of people also played the demo, so it's not like most people don't have a point of reference in what the pros are playing.

There's a lot of potential in the gameplay system, but the reactions are over the top. Which is why a lot of people are questioning the authenticity of the reactions.

Also MVCi didn't win a single award at E3, even among its own peers. For a game being catered to casuals, it isn't working as intended.

Esports = money. Dead game = no esports. No esports/big scene = no money. To say money doesn't have any sort of influence is naive.

I could die falling through the hole in this logic.

WRAP IT UP, GUYS, IT DIDN'T WIN AN E3 AWARD.

 

[Rhaknar]

the coveted E3 awards. almost as important as the coveted GOTY awards.

 

[direct_quote]

Tons of people also played the demo, so it's not like most people don't have a point of reference in what the pros are playing.

There's a lot of potential in the gameplay system, but the reactions are over the top. Which is why a lot of people are questioning the authenticity of the reactions.

Also MVCi didn't win a single award at E3, even among its own peers. For a game being catered to casuals, it isn't working as intended.

Esports = money. Dead game = no esports. No esports/big scene = no money. To say money doesn't have any sort of influence is naive.

I don't get this point. This is for some the first time trying the mechanics out of MvC:i, and if they find it sick or great how is that shilling? Are people who like DBFZ's mechanics and stating "When's DBZ", "DBZ is the new mahvel!", and all the memes about DBFZ already killing MvC:i not some kind of hyperbole and overhyping? Or the fact some people stating it's the unbelievable, etc..

 

[ColonialHawk]

Lol remember Evolve? How many E3 awards did that win again?

 

[Neonep]

If it's true that Capcom chose not to include the X men of their own will, I will publicly execute Combofiend French Revolution style

Yeah, that definitely isn't the case. They would have no reason to do that. Guarantee that if X-Men were allowed, Wolverine would be front and center instead of Iron Man.

 

[Skilletor]

I don't get this point. This is for some the first time trying the mechanics out of MvC:i, and if they find it sick or great how is that shilling? Are people who like DBFZ's mechanics and stating "When's DBZ", "DBZ is the new mahvel!", and all the memes about DBFZ already killing MvC:i not some kind of hyperbole and overhyping? Or the fact some people stating it's the unbelievable, etc..

They're obviously shilling DBFZ because it has potential to be an esports title.

Esports = money. Dead game = no esports. No esports/big scene = no money.

Logic checks out.

In fact, it works for every fighter.

Xiao Hai was saying good shit about KoF14. Obviously a shill because:

Esports = money. Dead game = no esports. No esports/big scene = no money.

 

[RocBase]

Tons of people also played the demo, so it's not like most people don't have a point of reference in what the pros are playing.

There's a lot of potential in the gameplay system, but the reactions are over the top. Which is why a lot of people are questioning the authenticity of the reactions.

So what is this supposed middle ground then? What are they supposed to say/do about a game they're legitimately excited about without it being coined as "shilling"???

 

[TheSpoiler]

Tons of people also played the demo, so it's not like most people don't have a point of reference in what the pros are playing.

Right. This is very important. I'm sure you bringing up this point will be important in this conversation later.

There's a lot of potential in the gameplay system, but the reactions are over the top. Which is why a lot of people are questioning the authenticity of the reactions.

Questioning what exactly? You can play the demo right now and get a glimpse of that creativity meme they spout. You can see the mechanics for yourself. People have played the CEO/E3 demo and loved it and said the same thing as the pros. There are literal matches with literal whos playing all over youtube exploring the game. Each of those shillsert people really like Marvel and like fighting games. Justin Wong was over the top with DBZ, so was Max, and so was Yipes. Are they shills for that as well?

Also MVCi didn't win a single award at E3, even among its own peers. For a game being catered to casuals, it isn't working as intended.

Lol that literally has nothing to do with the discussion at hand. E3 awards are fucking dumb - they gave a bunch to Evolve and that game turned out like shit.

Esports = money. Dead game = no esports. No esports/big scene = no money. To say money doesn't have any sort of influence is naive

Money has influence, but not how you think.

First of all, as KP said, they haven't confirmed anything in terms of a CPT like circuit. They have to convince Diseny/Marvel why that shit matters. So that's not stuck in stone. Secondly, again, whatever they say doesn't matter because regular people can and have tried out the game and liked it. Even backing up their claims of it being fun. People even said that about the demo, sans the graphics.. If people weren't able to play the game the same way they did, sure, let lose, but everyone at E3 and at home have had a chance to play the demo and see how the game is. Shilling works better when consumers can't get ahold of the product and test it out for themselves. Finally, all three are community leaders. If the game is shit, there's no amount of shilling that could save it. It'd be smarter for them to save face and stay with SFV (which all three do as well as Marvel) if the game turned out irredeemable.

The pure fact that I can confirm features about the game from watching a rando Youtube video or get impressions from someone who isn't paid makes your point moot.