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Mask Efficacy |OT| Wuhan!! Got You All In Check

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deafmedal

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My company has given us guidelines for work this weekend which include gloves, sanitizing, 6’ clearances etc. Pretty sure no supplies have been procured but we’ll see. They even said bring our own soap... to a site with no running water and *maybe* a portable sink and portapotties with hand sanitizer. We are supposed to clean all surfaces after touching. This isn’t practical, there will be hundreds of pieces of equipment, tens of thousands of feet of wire and metal cabinets and structures we will be coming in constant contact with.
Gotta cover their butts so we can perform our “essential” task.
This should be fun 😂
 

Croatoan

They/Them A-10 Warthog
American's need to listen to Dr. Fauci more and stop worrying about dumb shit. There is no date anyone can give because we don't fucking know. The economy will eventually bounce back.

I am not surprised that the same entitled generations (plural) that gave us SJWs are not dealing with hardship well. Fucking Jesus these pussies would have been merced in 4 seconds during battle in WW2. This is what happens when things are too good for too long. After all of this is over, and we witness 100,000s of thousands of deaths across the world, maybe then people will get some perspective, grow a fucking backbone, and stop being whiny self entitled idiots.

Sit your ass at home and deal with it.
 
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Pidull

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Trump went angry here, this is the first time I've ever seen him that heated towards the press. He's usually just dismissive and quickly shits.

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If the timestamp didn't work - it's at 1:41:50
Lol the reporter's face in the background when it cuts to the next guy asking questions, sort of looks like he has this, "what the fuck just happened?" expression.

I really liked Trump's response too, as much as I'm not too fond of Trump. Right up until he had to say, "I've been right on a lot of things." (I may be paraphrasing here)
 
I think everyone is holding their breath watching Italy hoping each that that we have seen the peak. Every time you think it cant get worse, it seems to. Im just hoping that we arent seeing the effects of the lockdown yet and that the numbers will start to fall off soon. If we continue to see these mortality rates in a week or, god forbid, two more weeks, expect to see other countries take much more drastic measures.

Mortality should continue to go up for a bit, even once we see new cases fall. Hopefully at some point they can catch up.

The big issue for Italy is if other areas start reporting Lombardy-like numbers.
 

gamerMan

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Yea, I know hospitals need them bad and they don't want ppl hording them...and rightfully so, but I ain't buying that they won't do anything. Shit I'll put a bandanna over my face as opposed to nothing at all.

Here what the CDC said about surgical face masks just a few years ago:
Facemasks that have been cleared for marketing by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration have been tested for their ability to resist blood and body fluids, and generally provide a physical barrier to droplets that are expelled directly at the user. Although they do not filter small particles from the air and they allow leakage around the mask, they are a barrier to splashes, droplet sprays, and autoinoculation of influenza virus from the hands to the nose and mouth. Thus, they should be chosen over no protection.

I think the US government is just lying to people about masks because they royally fucked up and don't have enough masks for hospital workers. This is the same government that suggested healthcare workers use bandanas and scarves to protect themselves. Would you trust them?

Even if masks won't 100% percent protect you, they will limit your viral load to the virus. Common sense: Which is worse having someone directly cough/sneeze on you with with or without a mask? Stay indoors but if you absolutely have to go out- wear a mask. According to the New England Journal Covid19 can stay airborne for 3 hours.

 
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Breakage

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UK pubs and restaurants told to shut in virus fight

Looks as if the UK government will pay the wages of those facing job losses:

Coronavirus: Government to pay up to 80% of workers' wages
 

DragoonKain

Neighbours from Hell
Anyone else think a nationwide lockdown is inevitable? I can't see it not happening eventually.

I drove somewhere yesterday and saw people out here on the basketball courts playing full games. I see photos of tons of people on the beaches in Florida. These morons are gonna keep this thing spreading and eventually the government is gonna look at the situation and realize that because of these morons, this pandemic is gonna be extended by months and our economy just can't handle extra months tacked on. And I think they will call for a lockdown.

I don't think they will start throwing people in prison either, but I think they will have police and military on the streets telling people who are in large gatherings outside for bullshit to go the fuck home.
 
Anyone else think a nationwide lockdown is inevitable? I can't see it not happening eventually.

I drove somewhere yesterday and saw people out here on the basketball courts playing full games. I see photos of tons of people on the beaches in Florida. These morons are gonna keep this thing spreading and eventually the government is gonna look at the situation and realize that because of these morons, this pandemic is gonna be extended by months and our economy just can't handle extra months tacked on. And I think they will call for a lockdown.

I don't think they will start throwing people in prison either, but I think they will have police and military on the streets telling people who are in large gatherings outside for bullshit to go the fuck home.

A nationwide martial law lockdown isn't happening.. unless somehow this starts killing people left and right, all ages. And by then, people will likely be locking themselves in.

People in the USA are too stubborn to do a voluntary lockdown. What we're doing now is better than nothing, but realistically not enough.
 

Kacho

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Kacho Kacho Checking in from Alexandria. A full park full of idiots at Fort Ward.
Left work early because I got a message from a family friend with connections saying a Shelter in Place is about to go in effect. Either later today or tomorrow. Get any things you need ASAP, brother.
 
Because you have to wear it perfectly for it to do anything, and nobody wears them perfectly (and I mean NOBODY). I am a safety administrator with a lot of training if you are wondering what my credentials are.

N95s are not for keeping you from getting sick, but they work pretty good to keep sick people from spreading it to others. Hospitals need them to keep the asymptomatic workers from unknowingly spreading it more.

If you want to keep from getting sick you need a full face mask with organic filters. Good luck finding them and good luck cleaning them without infecting yourself.

You are better off staying at home and washing your hands a lot.

This man speaks the truth, I've worn military grade issue pro-masks before. Unless you got a NBC suit, keeping a seal is damn near impossible. Which is why army personnel wear them.
 

DragoonKain

Neighbours from Hell
A nationwide martial law lockdown isn't happening.. unless somehow this starts killing people left and right, all ages. And by then, people will likely be locking themselves in.

People in the USA are too stubborn to do a voluntary lockdown. What we're doing now is better than nothing, but realistically not enough.
Not martial law per se. Basically what California is going just on a nationwide level, taking it out of the hands of the states individually because not all states are on board yet. And maybe extra police presence not to make arrests but to kinda warn people and get them off the streets.
 
I am at that point where I wish just a flu bros were right. already above 25k for the day

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cryptoadam

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Anyone else think a nationwide lockdown is inevitable? I can't see it not happening eventually.

I drove somewhere yesterday and saw people out here on the basketball courts playing full games. I see photos of tons of people on the beaches in Florida. These morons are gonna keep this thing spreading and eventually the government is gonna look at the situation and realize that because of these morons, this pandemic is gonna be extended by months and our economy just can't handle extra months tacked on. And I think they will call for a lockdown.

I don't think they will start throwing people in prison either, but I think they will have police and military on the streets telling people who are in large gatherings outside for bullshit to go the fuck home.

I think this is a failure at the state level. US states have lots of power within the federation. Florida needs to get its shit together.

Now if States don't start taking steps then yes I think Trump will declare a national lockdown and martial law.

I have to imagine for warm states this is probably harder to comprehend. People who live in cold places understand flus/colds and how they travel around in the winter. We are used to seeing people sneezing or coughing. I guess in a place like Florida or Texas you probably think you are immune because of the heat.
 

cryptoadam

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I am at that point where I wish just a flu bros were right. already above 25k for the day

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I gotta ask and wanted for a long time and you probably don't know the answer, but WTH is Mild according to this tracker?

The Mild number has actually increased from 91% a few weeks ago to 95%.

I mean is mild mean not dead? Because if there are so many mild why is it crashing hospital systems all over the place. I have to believe that mild has to mean isn't dead yet because no way 95% of people have the sniffles and a cough but are completly normal. That to me is mild not having to sit in a hospital bed even if you aren't in ICU.
 

Jtibh

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  • Hong Kong reports largest daily jump in cases on record as travelers revive outbreak
  • NY rolls out restrictive new measures
  • NY case total tops 7k
  • Italy says Army will help enforce lockdown, effectively declaring martial law; might extend lockdown through early May
  • Spain death toll cracks 1,000
  • Italy reports another 627 deaths
  • Confirmed cases in US pass 14k
  • Drive thru testing site in NJ's Bergen County has a line that's over 1,000+ cars long
  • Switzerland bars all gatherings of more than 5 people
  • Trump says no plans for national lockdown
  • Germany to pass 'shadow' budget on Monday
  • EU suspends budget rules
  • Bavaria becomes first German state to impose 'lockdown'
  • Johnson says UK can defeat virus in 12 weeks if 'we work together'
  • Treasury now moving back both filing & payment deadlines for 2019
  • Novartis will donate up to 130 million doses of hydroxychloroquine to support global response
  • NBC News employee succumbs to virus
  • Dr. Fauci says social distancing should continue for several weeks
  • MTA confirms it has 23 sick workers
  • US, Mexico agree to shut southern border
  • China makes first purchase under 'Phase 1' trade deal
  • Altria chairman & CEO tests positive
  • Military confirms 35 American troops infected in Europe
 

Kadayi

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UK latest 3983 (+714) which equates to a 21% gain with 33 more deaths (177) which works out as around 4.5% so a slight rise on yesterday (5% would equate to 1 in 20... :messenger_neutral: ). Only around 2K more tests than the day before which is kind of concerning.
 
I am at that point where I wish just a flu bros were right. already above 25k for the day

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What was yesterday? 26K?
 
I gotta ask and wanted for a long time and you probably don't know the answer, but WTH is Mild according to this tracker?

The Mild number has actually increased from 91% a few weeks ago to 95%.

I mean is mild mean not dead? Because if there are so many mild why is it crashing hospital systems all over the place. I have to believe that mild has to mean isn't dead yet because no way 95% of people have the sniffles and a cough but are completly normal. That to me is mild not having to sit in a hospital bed even if you aren't in ICU.

When a country releases numbers they have them listed as such so it is not up to the tracker but the country or state releasing the numbers that put those stats up with the numbers. Mild are normally those sent home to go into quarantines. The others are in the hospital.
 
US has fewer hospital beds than Italy per capita
From CNN's Michael Nedelman

The novel coronavirus outbreak in Italy — whose health care system has more hospital beds per 1,000 people than the United States — could signal a lack of preparedness on the US front, according to commentary published this week in the New England Journal of Medicine.
"Though Italy’s health system is highly regarded and has 3.2 hospital beds per 1,000 people (as compared with 2.8 in the United States), it has been impossible to meet the needs of so many critically ill patients simultaneously," Dr. Lisa Rosenbaum, a cardiologist at Brigham and Women's Hospital in Boston, wrote in the perspective piece published Wednesday.
Despite hospitals in Italy canceling elective surgeries and turning operating rooms into temporary intensive care units, the country has seen limited capacity in treating an influx of COVID-19 patients, Rosenbaum said. And doctors have had to ration care.
Experts, including US Surgeon General Dr. Jerome Adams, have widely cautioned that the US could "become Italy" as the outbreak worsens stateside.







What was yesterday? 26K?

Yesterday was 26,106
 

Croatoan

They/Them A-10 Warthog
This man speaks the truth, I've worn military grade issue pro-masks before. Unless you got a NBC suit, keeping a seal is damn near impossible. Which is why army personnel wear them.
Yup and N95s are in no way that high tech (or fitting). A "one size fits all" face shield and a piece of metal that bends across your nose is not something that should give anyone a sense of security. Especially if you don't shave, don't get fit tested constantly, and have never really used one before.

The issue is that people put these things on and go out in public thinking they are now invincible. When in reality we are not even sure if the masks themselves are capable of stopping the virus in any way.

I heard early on that if you imagine the virus fomite as a tennis ball, well then you can fit a basketball through a basic n95 mask.

Even if that isn't true it will get around the edges of the mask easily.
 
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Croatoan

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US has fewer hospital beds than Italy per capita
From CNN's Michael Nedelman

The novel coronavirus outbreak in Italy — whose health care system has more hospital beds per 1,000 people than the United States — could signal a lack of preparedness on the US front, according to commentary published this week in the New England Journal of Medicine.

Despite hospitals in Italy canceling elective surgeries and turning operating rooms into temporary intensive care units, the country has seen limited capacity in treating an influx of COVID-19 patients, Rosenbaum said. And doctors have had to ration care.
Experts, including US Surgeon General Dr. Jerome Adams, have widely cautioned that the US could "become Italy" as the outbreak worsens stateside.









Yesterday was 26,106
US has far more ICU beds per capita though. Hospital beds can be increased as needed.

It's these types of articles that I think are trying to promote fear. You should be careful posting them.

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This is also why I think UK is fucked and I don't believe the china numbers (I do tend to believe their percentages though. I just think they have under reported everything with one less 0.)
 
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oatmeal

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US has fewer hospital beds than Italy per capita
From CNN's Michael Nedelman

The novel coronavirus outbreak in Italy — whose health care system has more hospital beds per 1,000 people than the United States — could signal a lack of preparedness on the US front, according to commentary published this week in the New England Journal of Medicine.

Despite hospitals in Italy canceling elective surgeries and turning operating rooms into temporary intensive care units, the country has seen limited capacity in treating an influx of COVID-19 patients, Rosenbaum said. And doctors have had to ration care.
Experts, including US Surgeon General Dr. Jerome Adams, have widely cautioned that the US could "become Italy" as the outbreak worsens stateside.









Yesterday was 26,106
I don't like this framing. The USA is the most unique country in the world. It's massive (third biggest in the world) but every inch of it has people in it. NY and CA are going to be dealing with this far differently than somewhere like Montana.

The USA is a collection of states. Italy is basically just like California.
 

Birdo

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UK latest 3983 (+714) which equates to a 21% gain with 33 more deaths (177) which works out as around 4.5% so a slight rise on yesterday (5% would equate to 1 in 20... :messenger_neutral: ). Only around 2K more tests than the day before which is kind of concerning.


This stat is odd. How did the 62,000 even get tested? The UK is only testing people who are in a very bad condition.

Social media is full of people with symptoms saying that they have been refused testing because it isn't bad enough.
 

Croatoan

They/Them A-10 Warthog
This stat is odd. How did the 62,000 even get tested? The UK is only testing people who are in a very bad condition.

Social media is full of people with symptoms saying that they have been refused testing because it isn't bad enough.
Flu doesn't stop because COVID is going around?

Wasn't SK saying that only 1-4% of people tested where coming back positive?
 
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hariseldon

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UK latest 3983 (+714) which equates to a 21% gain with 33 more deaths (177) which works out as around 4.5% so a slight rise on yesterday (5% would equate to 1 in 20... :messenger_neutral: ). Only around 2K more tests than the day before which is kind of concerning.


Just gonna compare against yesterday...



So..
20th - 66976 tested, 3983 positive
19th - 61352 tested, 3269 positive

That means in 24 hours we've got 5624 tests done, of which 714 were positive, so a 12.6% hit rate (among people who were presumably deemed high risk). Now 5000 tests sounds like a lot but in a population of 70m of whom many are scared and paranoid, there's a decent chance that people who think they need a test won't get a test.

This still doesn't tell us much about the spread in the population but it gives an illustration of the pace of things. One thing: why don't we have the drive-through testing places the US has?
 

Ornlu

Banned
Lol the reporter's face in the background when it cuts to the next guy asking questions, sort of looks like he has this, "what the fuck just happened?" expression.

I really liked Trump's response too, as much as I'm not too fond of Trump. Right up until he had to say, "I've been right on a lot of things." (I may be paraphrasing here)

Yeah; Trump can really hit back hard when people start in on that bullshit. A lot of people who are sick of the typical politician "say 1,000 words without saying anything" doublespeak like that about him, even if they don't approve of him personally.

It's all over folx, pack it up, say goodbye to your loved ones.



Damn, now we gotta burn it out before it gets enough research points.
 

cryptoadam

Banned
Flu doesn't stop because COVID is going around?

Wasn't SK saying that only 1-4% of people tested where coming back positive?

This is Canada's test numbers so far


Total number of patients tested in CanadaTotal positiveTotal negative
54,95662842,157

99% of test come back as negative for the virus.

**This testing summary represents information collected by the laboratory and not the total reported cases in Canada. The remainder of tests not reported here are still being resolved. **
 

Croatoan

They/Them A-10 Warthog
This is Canada's test numbers so far


Total number of patients tested in CanadaTotal positiveTotal negative
54,95662842,157

99% of test come back as negative for the virus.

**This testing summary represents information collected by the laboratory and not the total reported cases in Canada. The remainder of tests not reported here are still being resolved. **
Yeah VP Pence was saying the same thing today. People look at the positive count and think that is all we have tested, but in reality we have tested a ton and the come back negative.
 
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