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Mask Efficacy |OT| Wuhan!! Got You All In Check
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Good Covid-19 news!
"Sarah Gilbert, professor of vaccinology at Oxford University, told The Times on Saturday that she is "80% confident" the vaccine would work, and could be ready by September. Experts have warned the public that vaccines typically take years to develop, and one for the coronavirus could take between 12 to 18 months at best ... Gilbert's team is one of dozens worldwide working on a vaccine and is the most advanced in Britain, she told the Times. As the country looks set to begin its fourth week under lockdown, a vaccine could be fundamental in easing the measures and returning to normal life. Gilbert said human trials are due to start in the next two weeks." (4/11/20)
"Sarah Gilbert, professor of vaccinology at Oxford University, told The Times on Saturday that she is "80% confident" the vaccine would work, and could be ready by September. Experts have warned the public that vaccines typically take years to develop, and one for the coronavirus could take between 12 to 18 months at best ... Gilbert's team is one of dozens worldwide working on a vaccine and is the most advanced in Britain, she told the Times. As the country looks set to begin its fourth week under lockdown, a vaccine could be fundamental in easing the measures and returning to normal life. Gilbert said human trials are due to start in the next two weeks." (4/11/20)
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Setzer
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Yeah I busted up laughing when I heard that.
The meltdowns on CCPNN when this doesn't work in their favor in November will be epic.
SushiReese
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It's difficult to directly receive the raw data to study if Japanese hospitalizations/senior fatality rate number change from January to March compared to the historical record.
Remember, U.S had a flatter curve of cov-19 death toll and hospitalization rate from January 20 to late February compare to South Korea too.(That's because U.S did not test enough) Even in extreme cases like Wuhan and NYC, hospitals only got overwhelmed after the public were alarmed enough (by the lock-down)and received massive testing: (1)media started to extensively cover the outbreak (2)then the public floored to get tested(3)the death were correctly categorized as cov-19 infection . But in early days, NYC and Wuhan patients started to die long before lock-down took place, many of death were just not categorized by cov-19 because they did not get tested. We might observe Japan's cases number in the coming weeks.
I hope I am wrong, I hope Japan have the virus under control sooner and better.
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Jtibh
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I am gwtting very confused about the world.
I read iran austria scandinavian countries etc are easing or even lifting lockdowns.
Are we out of the woods though even in china with their false low numbers took 3 months to come out of their caves yet here we are and just pretend its all good again?
What am i missing.
I read iran austria scandinavian countries etc are easing or even lifting lockdowns.
Are we out of the woods though even in china with their false low numbers took 3 months to come out of their caves yet here we are and just pretend its all good again?
What am i missing.
Kacho
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The WHO has advised countries not to reopen too early for fear of additional waves. We'll find out soon how smart of a decision this is.
China still isn't good. They're reopening sure, but shops and factories are still fairly empty. Some places are even getting shut down again.
DeafTourette
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So no one talked about the Wisconsin (?) primary last week? How the governor (D) postponed it but the Republican legislature (and the state supreme court) upended it and the primary was a complete fustercluck?
llien
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In absolute numbers, yes.
Relative to population size, it's two times behind Germany or Italy. (about 16k tests per 1M population, vs USA's 8-9k)
holygeesus
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You can be infected twice. Depending on who you believe, it is predicted that this will be pretty much like the common cold, in that vaccines will never be able to stop it as there will simply be too many variations of it.
llien
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This has surfaced in this thread once.
No, that's not what she said.
Sept was "all goes super smoothly" scenario.
Current status on vaccines (note the length of Phase II trial):
Phase I trials test primarily for safety and preliminary dosing in a few dozen healthy subjects, while Phase II trials, following success in Phase I, evaluate effective dose levels (efficacy based on biomarkers) and side effects of the candidate vaccine in dozens-to-hundreds of people either with the targeted disease or in healthy subjects.[28] A Phase I-II trial conducts preliminary safety and dosing testing, is typically randomized, placebo-controlled, and at multiple sites, while determining more precise, effective doses.[28]
| COVID-19: candidate vaccines in Phase I-II trials | |||||
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| Vaccine candidate (developer/sponsor) | Technology | Phase of trial (participants) | Location | Duration | References and notes |
| Ad5-nCoV (CanSino Biologics) | recombinant adenovirus type 5 vector | Phase II interventional trial for dosing and side effects (500) | Wuhan, China | March 2020 to December 2020 | [5][29] |
| Ad5-nCoV (CanSino Biologics) | recombinant adenovirus type 5 vector | Phase I (108) | Wuhan, China | March 2020 to December 2020 | [3][30] continuing through 2020 during Phase II start[5] |
| ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 (University of Oxford) | adenovirus vector | Phase I-II, randomized, placebo-controlled, multiple sites (510) | England | April 2020 to May 2021 | [6][31] |
| mRNA-1273 (Moderna, US National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases) | lipid nanoparticle dispersion containing messenger RNA | Phase I (45) | United States | March 2020 to Spring-Summer 2021 | [3][32][33] |
| Covid-19/aAPC (Shenzhen Geno-Immune Medical Institute) | lentiviral vector, pathogen-specific artificial antigen presenting dendritic cells | Phase I (100) | Shenzhen, China | March 2020 to 2023 | [3][34] |
| LV-SMENP-DC (Shenzhen Geno-Immune Medical Institute) | lentiviral minigene vaccine, dendritic cells modified with lentiviral vector | Phase I (100) | Shenzhen, China | March 2020 to 2023 | [3][35] |
| INO-4800 (Inovio Pharmaceuticals, CEPI) | DNA plasmid delivered by electroporation | Phase I (40) | United States | April 2020 to November 2020 | [3][36] |
Aren't we told that you don't get infected twice for at least 6-18 monhts?
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holygeesus
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From my considerably limited understanding, because of our wildly varying immune response to this coronavirus - i.e. some people shrug it off entirely, and some die, it is next to impossible to judge how much of a weakened form of the virus, would be necessary to trigger antibodies to it. In some scenarios the cure would indeed be worse than the virus itself. It is also my understanding, that even if the vaccine is successful, antibodies to coronaviruses deteriorate over time.
The prediction that seems most agreed upon, is we will end up with this being endemic to society, in that you will repeatedly catch this throughout your life (like the cold) and 4/5 times will shrug it off, but that other time, it will hit you hard enough that you will require a hospital and will then obviously have a chance of being killed off.
The world has changed. We will no doubt be living with this forever, alongside any other viruses that emerge from eating bats, or being leaked from top secret government labs. Sleep well.
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mango drank
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Don't we have vaccines that are 99.99% guaranteed to work for other types of viral infections? Are coronaviruses special in some way? Do they mutate faster or something? (I'm aware some strains of the cold are in the CV family.)
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let's wait until we get some antibody tests up and running before we go full doom and gloom
need some facts in future responses chief
Yikes.
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Coronavirus: 31 dead, elderly covered in feces at Dorval long-term care facility | Globalnews.ca
Quebec Premier François Legault unveiled on Saturday that 31 elders at the private long-term care centre Résidence Herron in Dorval have died since March 13.
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autoduelist
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Spent the day going down various conspiracy rabbit holes on this thing. I think I infected myself just reading some of them and need a day or two to normalize.
Or maybe Bill Gates is the Antichrist and wants to chip us with the mark of the beast.
Or maybe Bill Gates is the Antichrist and wants to chip us with the mark of the beast.
Bullet Club
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MichaelRR1989
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I hope Trump follows through and fires Fauci.
Fauci is a lying sack of deep state shit.
Fauci is a lying sack of deep state shit.
DeafTourette
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The Scrivener
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The David Icke one on London Real (the banned episode) is a god one. Watched it twice.
JordanN
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My mom's workplace confirms an outbreak. 
www.bramptonguardian.com
Coronavirus outbreak at Brampton senior’s home worsens with 16 residents, four staff now infected
Holland Christian Homes says 16 residents and four staff members at its Grace Manor location in Brampton have now tested positive for COVID-19, with the number of confirmed cases growing from one to...
www.bramptonguardian.com
llien
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Coronavirus: Spain begins to ease lockdown to revive economy
Manufacturing and construction workers can return to work, but other people must remain at home.
www.bbc.com
What did he lie about?
Coronavirus: Spain begins to ease lockdown to revive economy
Manufacturing and construction workers can return to work, but other people must remain at home.
What did he lie about?
Trump retweets #firefauci tweet, raises speculation of a frayed relationship
President Trump retweeted a post Sunday night that was critical of Dr. Anthony Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, and ended with “time to #FireFauci."
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The New York Times claimed that he sounded the alarm in January.
infinitys_7th
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Trump retweets #firefauci tweet, raises speculation of a frayed relationship
President Trump retweeted a post Sunday night that was critical of Dr. Anthony Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, and ended with “time to #FireFauci."
The New York Times claimed that he sounded the alarm in January.
I don't think he should fire Fauci, but fact-checking/shaming him or any other prominent expert supposedly having called it in January (before the WHO even admitted that human-to-human transmission is possible) is more than fair IMO. This is the kind of thing he should be called out for when he lies and claims that something should have been done over a month earlier.
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mekes
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My mom's workplace confirms an outbreak.
Coronavirus outbreak at Brampton senior’s home worsens with 16 residents, four staff now infected
Holland Christian Homes says 16 residents and four staff members at its Grace Manor location in Brampton have now tested positive for COVID-19, with the number of confirmed cases growing from one to...
Hope your mum, other workers and the residents will be safe mate. This thing is horrible, what a year.
JordanN
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I just talked to her.
She said the workplace lied and she hasn't been feeling well all last week.
She went to the hospital and is now awaiting her test results. Also, the story is in fact older (April 7th was the first case) but she never heard anything about it while she was there.
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llien
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So... what did he lie about?
Isn't it obvious, that lockdowns would have saved lives, had they started earlier?
Where is the "lie" aspect of it?
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So which is it? He sounded the alarm in January or told people on February 29th that nothing needed to change? He's on video saying that.
infinitys_7th
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On February 29th, Fauci himself said that people should keep doing their normal day-to-day routine, which implies that lockdowns and enforced social distancing were unnecessary:
His new statement is being used to feed the impossible narrative that Trump "did nothing for months" when China and the WHO hid crucial data about human to human transmission through late January and other data even longer. Trump literally was the first in the world to act.
llien
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Let's separate beef and flies.
1) He said more lives could be saved, if lock downs started earlier <= what the heck is here to argue about?
2) He was OK with people not distancing on 29th of Feb
#2 makes him wrong/change his mind, it doesn't make him a liar.
And it doesn't matter AT ALL that somebody could use his words against Trump. (also note that lockdowns were implemented by state governors and actually there are some who acted early: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52113186 )
Dude, NO ONE in January in the US was talking about lockdowns. That's the ultimate example of revising history to push a political narrative.
infinitys_7th
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Dr. Fauci's full claim:
Assumption: If Trump had listened to experts
Conclusion: Then lives would have been saved.
What experts should Trump have listened too? Fauci is supposedly a lead expert and had said that nothing should be done with regards to lockdowns or changing day-to-day life. If he claims that experts like him were saying stuff should be done earlier than they should have, then that is a lie.
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cryptoadam
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Sakura
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From my also limited understanding, coronaviruses are RNA viruses, like influenza. RNA viruses tend to mutate much faster due to the nature of RNA. Compare it to say the chicken pox, which is a DNA virus, and mutates very slow, so when we get the chicken pox once we don't have to worry
about getting it again, because the virus doesn't mutate enough to evade our immune systems.
And logically, the more people carrying the virus, the more opportunity it has to mutate, so if millions upon millions get infected, it could very likely end up where there are strains about next year that vaccines don't work on.
Now it could be that it mutates into a form less deadly, or that even if it mutates, the vaccines still work somewhat. No idea.
Fun Fanboy
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Seems like things are getting better. This thread and Era's are starting to drag it a bit. And that's good.
Obviously not enough people are dying to keep them excited.
Kazza
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The UK has always said it's aim is to flatten the curve, rarher than get cases down to zero. With the peak seemingly approaching and with so many ICU beds to spare, I wonder if they will start to loosen some of the lockdown features fairly soon (maybe letting kids go back to school after the Easter break, schools always being considered relatively low risk):
I'm also working at a care home in Canada.
When our outbreak first happened we were expecting support from the govt - but we soon realized the govt. has nothing in place to help care homes during pandemics.
All I can say is your mom needs to wash her hands throughout the day (50 times a day would not be unreasonable) and that everyone should always be wearing a mask. The masks are worn to prevent sick people from infecting others. I know one staff member who was positive, but didn't know it, and was coughing in front of everyone's face - but she had a mask on, which saved many people.
Also, the importance of not touching one's face cannot be exaggerated. Your mom needs to train herself how to do this. Also, she should not stay in small rooms where sick people have been, or where other staff congregate, because the virus will linger in the air.
So...
1) A ridiculous amount of hand washing.
2) Wear a mask. Get angry if others aren't wearing masks.
3) Don't touch your face!
4) Stay away from small rooms where sick people are or have been. If you have no PPE then refuse to enter such rooms.
5) Be leery of fellow staff members. If you don't need to be near them then stay away.
cryptoadam
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Canada and their seinor residence is going to be a huge scandal when this is all said and done. What happend in Quebec was disgusting, and I fear that its not going to be the last story we are going to read about.
008
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for me, I think it's acceptance. This is the new reality. Since this all started I'm seeing more people wearing masks and practicing social distancing. Clearly there are some that do not care one way or another.
After work, I'll drive to a spot and go for a long bike ride. Come home and catch up on shows that I rarely watch before this all went down.
make the most of it.
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Is this Fauci stuff from the CNN interview yesterday?
Watch the whole thing. Fauci very much qualifies and contextualizes his statements and it's hard to find much fault in them...
Watch the whole thing. Fauci very much qualifies and contextualizes his statements and it's hard to find much fault in them...
Raven117
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What is this nonsense? Are you a bot looking to sow discourse?
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