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Mask Efficacy |OT| Wuhan!! Got You All In Check

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longdi

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Fears of a second wave of COVID-19 infections have emerged in Beijing after dozens of residents tested positive for coronavirus.

The new confirmed patient reported on Wednesday was a locally transmitted case after Beijing had zero COVID-19 case for 56 consecutive days, local authorities said at a press briefing on Thursday.

On Saturday 11 new confirmed COVID-19 cases were reported on the Chinese mainland from Friday. Seven out of the 11 cases are in Beijing, the National Health Commission announced in its daily report.

Where does the virus come from?

According to the epidemiological investigation, all confirmed cases have a travel history of going to Xinfadi market, Beijing's largest vegetable wholesale market.

Pang Xinghuo, deputy director of the municipal Center for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) said people may get infected after visiting the market or having contact with infected people there.


45 throat swabs from Xinfadi market test positive for COVID-19

On Wednesday, a 52-year-old man surnamed Tang in Xicheng District was found to have contracted with COVID-19 and transferred to the designated hospital, said a local official.

Following Tang's case, Beijing confirmed another six cases on Friday. All the seven new cases were linked to Xinfadi, a wholesale farm produce market in Fengtai District, according to local officials.

Forty-five throat swabs and 40 samples from the market's surrounding areas tested positive, Pang Xinghuo, deputy director of the municipal center for disease prevention and control, said at a press briefing.
 
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cryptoadam

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If you can go 56 days without cases and then have 50 show up what does that tell you about the virus.

Australia also reported its first CV case in weeks. How was the virus hiding out for weeks and even after Australia which did one of the best lock downs in the world and practically eradicated the virus.
 
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sinnergy

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Here in The Netherlands we heard from our CDC that there is nothing left to lift anymore . So we are basically stuck at 1,5 meters , as many visitors in your house so you can have 1,5 meters distance . 100 people in rooms, like cinema and bars. 1,5 meter outside in bars. Wearing masks in public transport and air planes .

washing your hands often etc..

I think the rest of the countries will be the same .

big events are still cancelled.
 

sinnergy

Member
If you can go 56 days without cases and then have 50 show up what does that tell you about the virus.

Australia also reported its first CV case in weeks. How was the virus hiding out for weeks and even after Australia which did one of the best lock downs in the world and practically eradicated the virus.
That you don’t underestimate it. California found a more contagious mutation . I think we have to keep flying world wide to a minimum.
 

Nymphae

Banned

For example, Southern Pointe Living Center in Colbert, Oklahoma, with 95 beds, was reported to have had 339 residents die of COVID-19, yet no confirmed or suspected cases.

"We have not lost anyone nor have we had a [COVID-19] case in the building," said a woman identifying herself as an assistant at Southern Pointe but who declined to give her full name. The day after CMS released the data, on Friday, she said someone from the CDC called the facility to ask if their numbers were correct as reported, "and we told them no."

After a download of the data, a quick sort of the columns easily reveals extreme totals in various categories. But no one called those nursing homes before the data were released to doublecheck, for example, when 100-bed Smith Village in Chicago was shown to have 1,105 confirmed COVID-19 cases among residents and 955 confirmed COVID-19 cases among staff, the most in the country.

"We apparently misread the instructions, which were not very clear," Yahaira Ramirez, Smith Village's director of clinical operations told MedPage Today. The facility has had only 38 positive cases among residents and 14 deaths, and among staff, 37 positive or suspected cases but no deaths, she said. But instead of showing up as a total, those numbers somehow appeared as if there were additional cases every day in May. No one caught the error.

MedPage Today first learned of the inaccuracies shortly after publishing an article Friday on the new public database. In that article was a list (since removed) of "outliers" -- those with the highest numbers of cases and deaths among residents and staff -- that included Dellridge Health and Rehabilitation Center in Paramus, New Jersey. The CMS data indicated it had the most COVID-19 deaths of any nursing home in the country at 753.

That number is "insanely wrong," Jonathan Mechaly, Dellridge's marketing director, wrote in a frantic email. "We are a 90-bed center and have had less than 20 deaths!! How do you report such inaccurate numbers?"

Maria Van Kerkhove, WHO's technical lead for coronavirus response and head of its emerging diseases and zoonoses unit, said during a media briefing in Geneva on Monday that "it still seems to be rare that an asymptomatic person actually transmits onward to a secondary individual."

Huh
 
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That statement from WHO was poorly phrased but it was very rare for asymptomatic transmissions to be found through tracing, not that they are very rarely happening. They simply don't know and contact tracing is pretty much useless if you were infected by someone who was not having symptoms and is indistinguishible from everyone else who is not sick.
 

longdi

Banned

Suspected airborne virus particles enter the lungs
Yuan Guoyong said that under normal circumstances, if the patient is infected with Wuhan pneumonia virus through droplets, the droplets are larger than 5 to 10 microns, and the upper respiratory tract such as nasopharynx and throat samples will be positive for the virus test; but there are many 33-year-old male patients diagnosed today All upper respiratory tract samples were negative for virus tests. Later, a sputum sample from the lower respiratory tract was taken and a positive reaction was detected. The patient may not inhale ordinary droplets, but inhale virus particles that are very small, less than 5 microns, or even less than 1 microns. (Aerosol nuclei), that may have been airborne, and the virus particles directly fell to the lungs and caused infection.

For the first two tests, the patient leaked. Yuan pointed out that if the patient has cough, wheezing, pain in the lungs during breathing, and fever, the doctor will arrange for a computer scan after admission; if the upper respiratory tract cannot find the virus, it will Do tracheoscopy, but I believe there are not many similar cases.
 

BadBurger

Many “Whelps”! Handle It!
A lot of weird anti vaxxer caliber misinformation going around here and it's sad to see.

This pandemic has played out by all established models and is going as expected by every new circumstance. We could have saved tens of thousands of lives in the US alone by closing up sooner or jump starting domestic production of PPE. Early openings in certain states are resulting in the obvious result of more infections and deaths. It is as deadly and destructive as the very plain, right in front of your eyes evidence shows.

Maybe you don't like the lockdowns because you're not as fortunate as some of us to have white collar jobs that can largely be done from home, and you're hurting financially, I get it. But pretending this pandemic isn't every bit as awful as those of the past that killed hundreds of thousands and ground economies to a halt is foolish and unhelpful. Sorry you vote republican, are poor, uneducated, etc, but none of that changes reality.
 

Kitbash

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Australia also reported its first CV case in weeks. How was the virus hiding out for weeks and even after Australia which did one of the best lock downs in the world and practically eradicated the virus.

Not sure where you're getting that from. For the past two weeks, Australia has had between 2-18 new confirmed cases every day. When it does show up in one of the states that hasn't had any new cases in a while, it's typically been because the person has just returned from overseas.
 
A lot of weird anti vaxxer caliber misinformation going around here and it's sad to see.

This pandemic has played out by all established models and is going as expected by every new circumstance. We could have saved tens of thousands of lives in the US alone by closing up sooner or jump starting domestic production of PPE. Early openings in certain states are resulting in the obvious result of more infections and deaths. It is as deadly and destructive as the very plain, right in front of your eyes evidence shows.

Maybe you don't like the lockdowns because you're not as fortunate as some of us to have white collar jobs that can largely be done from home, and you're hurting financially, I get it. But pretending this pandemic isn't every bit as awful as those of the past that killed hundreds of thousands and ground economies to a halt is foolish and unhelpful. Sorry you vote republican, are poor, uneducated, etc, but none of that changes reality.
A lot of weird burying-head-in-sand caliber misinformation, too.

But hey, at least you snuck in yet another shot against some phantom political opponents. That'll keep you going at least until the afternoon, I'd wager. Which WHO recommendations are you going off this time?
 

sinnergy

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A lot of weird anti vaxxer caliber misinformation going around here and it's sad to see.

This pandemic has played out by all established models and is going as expected by every new circumstance. We could have saved tens of thousands of lives in the US alone by closing up sooner or jump starting domestic production of PPE. Early openings in certain states are resulting in the obvious result of more infections and deaths. It is as deadly and destructive as the very plain, right in front of your eyes evidence shows.

Maybe you don't like the lockdowns because you're not as fortunate as some of us to have white collar jobs that can largely be done from home, and you're hurting financially, I get it. But pretending this pandemic isn't every bit as awful as those of the past that killed hundreds of thousands and ground economies to a halt is foolish and unhelpful. Sorry you vote republican, are poor, uneducated, etc, but none of that changes reality.
Yup it’s pandemic 1o1, look at how Spanish flu spread , some nice pictures from San Fran, also almost same measures, wear something on your face , keep distance, seems we had to relearn . Australia and New Zeeland also had it best with first wave. But the classic pandemic at least has 2 waves.

And those countries Got hit in the second in the fall or second year.
If you obey the rules you can manage.

we have already beat the Spanish Flu numbers , but you need to keep the rules for distance , events, and masks.

you see the results of lock down and the other measures helped!
 
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longdi

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Genome sequencing of the strain of the coronavirus which caused the new COVID-19 outbreak in Beijing at the Xinfadi wholesale food market shows it originated from Europe, an expert from Beijing Center for Diseases Prevention and Control (Beijing CDC) said Sunday.

Yang Peng, a researcher from Beijing CDC told China's Central Television (CCTV) via telephone interview that it has been preliminarily determined that the virus found on the samples from the market is related to strains China has seen from imported cases. Genome sequencing showed that the coronavirus came from Europe.

Yang said that the source of the virus is still being traced and it is not known how it entered the market.

There are two main theories as to how the virus got into the market. One is through contaminated seafood and meat imported from abroad which infected those who came into contact with it, Yang said.

 

yeehaw

Banned
Seeing some New Zealand praise recently for getting rid of virus. New Zealand is a socialist communist hell hole with a nasty communist female leader. She stripped New Zealanders of their human rights.
USA opened economy and thus did much better than NZ
 

Marlenus

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New Zealand did the best by far. Strict lockdown early on and now they have eradicated the virus for now they can completely reopen without it spreading again. I am sure they will eventually import a few cases that get into the population.

The UK could have done similar as an island nation but we shit the bed.
 
"SHOCKING": NEARLY ALL WHO RECOVERED FROM COVID-19 HAVE HEALTH ISSUES MONTHS LATER
Many recovered coronavirus patients who did not need to be hospitalized are still facing serious health problems months later, according to a study commissioned by the Longfonds. While 94 percent say they do not feel as healthy as they did before the viral infection, some 60 percent of this group said they still have breathing symptoms which make it difficult to take a walk, and nearly half are unable to exercise, Longfonds director Michael Rutgers said in a statement. "We find this really shocking."
 

sinnergy

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Yeah in every country the same , not age related btw, here in The Netherlands there is a group that ranges from 30 to 60 which still are not well.

but imo they are not known what having a virus can mean. I had a variety of a virus when I was 18 years old, classified as 10 times as heavy as normal , took me out for 3 months ,slept almost 24 hours a day was up 1 hour or so , and was exhausted, after these 3 months I started to recover , took me 4 years to get my energy back, but never felt like I felt before energy wise, I am 40 now. Life a normal live.

some people want to fast , a bad virus will take time .

I do feel people understand me more now. Also I am very careful with this ... don’t need that shit again .
 
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yeehaw

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New Zealand did the best by far. Strict lockdown early on and now they have eradicated the virus for now they can completely reopen without it spreading again. I am sure they will eventually import a few cases that get into the population.

The UK could have done similar as an island nation but we shit the bed.
Wrong. Stop defending communist feminazi socialist regimes.
 

All Hail C-Webb

Hailing from the Chill-Web

Well that's disturbing.
I had heard and posted stuff like this out of China, but hoped it was bs.
There need to be more in depth studies of this, and the press should be checking in with people who tested positive months ago. Even anecdotal evidence would be helpful at this point.
 

diffusionx

Gold Member
A lot of weird anti vaxxer caliber misinformation going around here and it's sad to see.

This pandemic has played out by all established models and is going as expected by every new circumstance. We could have saved tens of thousands of lives in the US alone by closing up sooner or jump starting domestic production of PPE. Early openings in certain states are resulting in the obvious result of more infections and deaths. It is as deadly and destructive as the very plain, right in front of your eyes evidence shows.

Maybe you don't like the lockdowns because you're not as fortunate as some of us to have white collar jobs that can largely be done from home, and you're hurting financially, I get it. But pretending this pandemic isn't every bit as awful as those of the past that killed hundreds of thousands and ground economies to a halt is foolish and unhelpful. Sorry you vote republican, are poor, uneducated, etc, but none of that changes reality.

OK Doomer
 

JORMBO

Darkness no more
Last month: “STAY HOME! SAVE LIVES! DESTROY THE ECONOMY!”

This month:




”Manhattan and the Hamptons are the leading areas in the state with violations," Cuomo said. "These are not hard-to-spot violations. People send videos of these violations." Footage and photos of locales such as St. Mark's Place and Hell's Kitchen packed with people, many of them without masks, have circulated over the weekend.

No mention of protests, lol
 

longdi

Banned
Even China superior handling cannot fully stop sneaky virus! :messenger_medmask:

Coronavirus: Beijing market outbreak cases rise to 79
  • Chinese capital reports 36 new infections in single day as vice-premier Sun Chunlan says risk of further spread is ‘very high’
  • Market boss and local officials sacked for negligence as widespread testing around Xinfadi market continues

 

cryptoadam

Banned
Probably has been but I think its being covered up right now, at least by the media.

If a barber gets CV we know about it, if someone at the Ozarks gets CV we know about it.

Yet there has not been media stories about any protesters getting CV. So either the media is just not telling anyone, or CV is just not infectious and spreadable in large giant groups.
 

All Hail C-Webb

Hailing from the Chill-Web
Wow, the FDA just removed emergency authorization of Hydroxy.

"In light of ongoing serious cardiac adverse events and other serious side effects, the known and potential benefits" of hydroxychloroquine no longer outweigh those risks, the FDA wrote on its website Monday.

That is damming. Not just unhelpful, but also harmful.


They also don't ask if you were at a counter protest.

They ask where you've been, they don't list off every possible place you could have been. Poor reporting.
 

Nymphae

Banned
They ask where you've been, they don't list off every possible place you could have been. Poor reporting.

Why not ask that question

Instead, test-and-trace workers ask COVID-positive individuals general questions to help them “recall ‘contacts’ and individuals they may have exposed,” Cohen said. Among the initial questions: “Do you live with anyone in your home?”

Tracers then ask about “close contacts” — defined as being within six feet of another person for at least 10 minutes.

It’s up to tested individuals to volunteer whether any of those close contacts occurred during protests. “If a person wants to proactively offer that information, there is an opportunity for them to do so,” Cohen wrote.

10 minutes of close contact questioning, but don't ask them where they were. It's a simple yes or no that could be added and would paint a clearer picture of whether or not protests are having an effect.
 

eot

Banned
Cases in Sweden are slowly but steadily declining. Look at the dotted line in particular, which shows the 7-day moving average of the number of reported deaths each day. This number isn't sensitive to reporting delay (as long as this delay is roughly constant). It seems like the average deaths are now below ~30 (the real number for this week is probably a bit lower).

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NOLA_Gaffer

Banned
Looks like a selectively cut short quote from the media that is trying to score Twitter points. Have the full quote?


This article mentions it, but doesn't expand on the quote.

Yikes, looks like there's a very similar quote from about a month ago:

 
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JORMBO

Darkness no more

This article mentions it, but doesn't expand on the quote.

Yikes, looks like there's a very similar quote from about a month ago:


Sounds to me like he is saying that we have more cases since we are testing more. If we did not test at all we'd find zero cases. The second statement is an over exageration to illustrate his first statement better. He's not suggesting we stop testing.

I'd disagree with his other statement that opening back up is not leading to an increase. I think it's to be expected to see more cases as things open back up and people are out more.
 
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