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Mask Efficacy |OT| Wuhan!! Got You All In Check
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As long as social media is also destroyed, I for one welcome our new ape overlords.
DragoonKain
Neighbours from Hell
Initial reports say the vaccine tests have produced antibodies in patients with minimal or no side effects. Good news so far. Next step is more trials and seeing if the antibodies stay in these people.
Dthomp
Member
Define minimal for me. Are we talking a small cough, a bout of the flu, or am I growing another leg here? This country (USA) needs a fucking vaccine to save itself from it's idiot inhabitants.
ManaByte
Gold Member
Similar effects as the flu shot (OMG FLU BROS). Minor flu like symptoms right after you're injected that fade in a day.
DragoonKain
Neighbours from Hell
Yeah probably just very minimal feelings of being slightly sick for a day. Which doesn’t mean you’re sick it just means it’s your body adjusting to antibodies being acclimated with your white blood cells. I think that’s how it works anyway. So probably just minor feelings of feeling a little sick and maybe some fatigue or minor headaches.
I get a lot of vaccines, the worst I’ve ever got was the shingles and it wasn’t even that bad. I just made my shoulder where I got the shot really sore for about 2 days to where it hurt to lift it over my head, and then I was fine. For some reason that one hurt more than the flu shot which barely hurt at all.
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diffusionx
Gold Member
Took a COVID test today. They said results in 7-10 days... so... by the time I find out if I have it... I won’t have it. This is reality today.
I read that article. So if our bodies can’t produce immunities naturally, then how are scientists in a lab going to do it? The point of vaccines are to jump start our natural immunological process. If that process doesn’t happen then why does he mention it?
And what’s the endgame for all this shit if we are just going to be continuously infected with this forever? Wear masks and never interact with other human beings ever again? Never have a family reunion, or go to church, or eat dinner at a restaurant with your friends? The only thing we are allowed to do is sit at home and throw statues in the river? This is insane.
Unfortunately, of the known coronaviruses that spread through the population, antibodies last for none - and that seems to be the case for Covid-19 as well.
The article below sums this up.
We’re wasting time talking about herd immunity | CNN
William Haseltine writes that we should not waste time trying to build herd immunity against Covid-19, because it’s unlikely we will ever be able to achieve it. New research on the development and decline of Covid antibodies and a wealth of epidemiological evidence on coronaviruses as a whole...www.cnn.com
In particular, this is what has worried me:
“While SARS and MERS are the coronaviruses that grab the headlines, there are four other mostly unknown coronaviruses that are much more common: 229E, HKU1, NL63 and OC43. What we know from 60 years of research into these viruses is that they come back year after year and reinfect the same people -- over and over again.”
It’s beginning to look like this virus is going to be with us for a very long time.
I read that article. So if our bodies can’t produce immunities naturally, then how are scientists in a lab going to do it? The point of vaccines are to jump start our natural immunological process. If that process doesn’t happen then why does he mention it?
And what’s the endgame for all this shit if we are just going to be continuously infected with this forever? Wear masks and never interact with other human beings ever again? Never have a family reunion, or go to church, or eat dinner at a restaurant with your friends? The only thing we are allowed to do is sit at home and throw statues in the river? This is insane.
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SLoWMoTIoN
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So things stay the same?
Dr.Guru of Peru
played the long game
That's the reality of living in a jurisdiction where no one takes COVID19 seriously and having shit health insurance.
Not everyone that becomes immunized with a vaccine achieves immunity either. The point is to remove enough people from the pool of potential vectors where, coupled with other public health measures, you significantly reduce transmission rates. Its why the flu shot doesn't have to be anywhere near 100% effective for it to save thousands of lives.
diffusionx
Gold Member
On the contrary i live in a jurisdiction that took it seriously and is taking it seriously and guess what they’re still going to destroy the society, economy, and mental health of the population. In the end this virus isn’t worth what they are doing, and the way the governments and media have acted is totally incoherent and deceitful throughout.
And health insurance has nothing to do with it the test is free no matter what.
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Stouffers
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Until the Apes develop “Flinger,” their equivalent of Twitter.
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Explosive Zombie
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llien
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Australia:
I'm in France at the moment and people seem to not give a flying fuck about C19. Staff normally wears marks, but people, including elderly, normally not.
Stats for France don't look bright though, behind 30% death rate is likely very large number of undetected cases. Their number of actively infected first stalled at 50k and than started climbing.
In contrast, Germany is at about 6k now, Italy at 12k and dropping.
I'm in France at the moment and people seem to not give a flying fuck about C19. Staff normally wears marks, but people, including elderly, normally not.
Stats for France don't look bright though, behind 30% death rate is likely very large number of undetected cases. Their number of actively infected first stalled at 50k and than started climbing.
In contrast, Germany is at about 6k now, Italy at 12k and dropping.
Cracklox
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This is what its come to in Australia...
www.abc.net.au
Pokemon players among hundreds fined in COVID crackdown as Victoria records 238 new cases
Daniel Andrews pleads with restriction rule-breakers to "please do better", as the state records hundreds of new cases and police warn they will continue to get tough with people who defy lockdown orders.
www.abc.net.au
Omega Supreme Holopsicon
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Guileless
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Source: Erick Erickson
I really think the combination of weather, protests, and general lockdown fatigue combined to cause a significant number of people to stop observing social distancing and other protective measures.
Explosive Zombie
Banned
With stuff like Florida labs reporting fake numbers (98% when they're 9% positive), states combining anti-body tests with covid tests (anti-body tests mean you had it at same point and they might just mean you had the common cold), states reporting the same person testing positive 3 times as 3 cases, states using PROBABLE covid cases in their numbers and so forth it's no wonder these numbers are going up, but are hospitalizations and deaths up? Nope. They peaked in April. And that's bearing in mind they've ADMITTED they include people who died of other causes as COVID deaths if they had or PROBABLY had COVID.
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IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
Population density... how does it work?
TheContact
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That's a long time to wait. Mine took 2 days to come back.
This is looking to be on track for the fastest vaccine ever created.
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Guileless
Temp Banned for Remedial Purposes
Cases rising in blue counties of red states is another data point suggesting that the protests/riots were a significant factor in the increased spread. Here in Memphis there were protests every night for several weeks (thankfully no riots though) and mask usage was certainly not 100%.
Yeah name what was still closed in California until just a few days ago. A few limited things. Bars restaurants and movie theaters were open. Now they are closed. Pretty much everything is open across the country.
California should be much worse than it is because of density. There is no excuse for places like Texas and Florida to be exploding withCovid.
Cities in general are blue. Centers of education trend liberal. That’s normal. What you’re seeing is cities without liberal policies like mask ordinances suffer and trend higher. Yeah common sense right? Austin Houston and Dallas all wanted mask ordinances and were shot down by the Texas state Gov. now look at them
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ManaByte
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Movie theaters didn't reopen in CA.
ManaByte
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Over 800 people died in Mexico today
How many were cartel killings labeled as COVID though?
Guileless
Temp Banned for Remedial Purposes
If the explanation was as simple and reductive as "smart blue liberal" vs. "dumb red conservative" as so many want to be true, then California would not be in the same boat as Arizona, Texas, and Florida. And blue counties in red states would have lower transmission rates than the state as a whole, when the graph Manabyte posted clearly shows the opposite. This is much more complex than that and is not reducible to your political priors.
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Guileless
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lol, "one of the most difficult times in history." What are the odds this person has read about the Plague of Justinian or the waves of bubonic plague in medieval Europe?
DeepBreath87
Banned
Jesus. If someone from the CDC said that, they should be fired immediately. Life expectancy for human beings was less than 50 for most of history. If they mean the United States, we had a Civil War that killed over half a million citizens at a time when the population of the country was 1/10 the number it is now.
That is such an ahistorical, sensationalist statement it’s hard to put context around it.
That is such an ahistorical, sensationalist statement it’s hard to put context around it.
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ManaByte
Gold Member
History is racist.
Yes, India is on an almost perfect exponential curve. Only reason it was not all over the media yet, is that absolute numbers were still much lower than US and Brazil.
Man Brazil and India are fucked. Their testing is almost non existent yet there deaths and cases are climbing. US might be first for now but I bet we wont be for long.
India will probably become the worst affected country in the world.
SF Kosmo
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I think looking at national averages of growth gives a really misleading picture. It isn't just that the case count is growing, it's moving, out to regions that didn't get hit hard before. If you zero in on any one state, you see a much more traditional curve, none of them have this roller coaster up and down/second wave thing.
Source: Erick Erickson
I really think the combination of weather, protests, and general lockdown fatigue combined to cause a significant number of people to stop observing social distancing and other protective measures.
The inner city areas with the biggest protests genuinely haven't seen much growth from the protests or the eased lockdowns. That isn't because these things were responsible or because they were magic, it's much simpler; these hard hit regions already have herd immunity. We keep getting told this is a long way off and hasn't happened yet, or might never happen, but it's the only sane explanation.
Meanwhile places that didn't get hit that hard yet are now just letting it rock, but without that herd immunity so they're spreading like wildfire. Luckily, there's evidence that, at least in parts of the country, they're spreading a less deadly strain than the one that arrived in New York and the northwest earlier in the year.
I guess we'll see, but I personally think the states blowing up now will die down on a similar timeline to New York or Michigan, give it 3 months or so.
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prag16
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Yeah, I do think there must be some kind of community immunity going on. I live in CT and we've been open for months and cases/deaths/hospitalizations are all closing in on zero. People are wearing masks indoors, but it's very rare outdoors even when there isn't 'optimal' social distancing going on. People are having picnics and parties and playing sports all over the place. We got hit hard in April, but saw a steep decline thereafter. There may be something to the T cell theory in which other coronaviruses provides some level of cross protection. And also, 20-30% being immune from having had it could certainly be enough to signficantly impact spread especially if this isn't quite as contagious as was believed earlier on.
I think these other states could fall off a cliff just like the northeast and some others did once we got into May. I'd be even a bit more aggressive. In a month they could all be on the back side of this, not three.
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bigsnack
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I'm pretty sure that a number of folks have had it, as I've read that in a few threads. I had it during the first week of February. It was definitely the worst sickness I've had as an adult (I'm 40), but I was fortunate and didn't have any of the shortness of breath / pneumonia to deal with. It started almost like a really bad cold. My wife and I were getting lunch and my nose started running like a faucet, then I couldn't taste our food. We were planning to get a massage after lunch and I had to cancel because I felt so bad that I asked her to go home so I could rest.
From there, I slept for 21 hours with only two brief bathroom breaks. Once I was in bed, an insane headache kicked in. My head hurt so bad that I couldn't open or move my eyes without wanting to cry. After that I started getting sporadic chills / fever that came and went. I literally laid in bed and just groaned or slept for 3 days straight. The eye pain / headache lasted for about 4 days, and the fever lasted for over a week. Once I could get up and half / function, I started getting a very mild cough. The cough lasted about 4 weeks, but was subtle and was not accompanied by shortness of breath. There was also a general fatigue that I still occasionally deal with. I've never needed to nap during the day in the past, and after being sick I still needed to nap a few times a week up until just very recently.
Both of my kids got it too, but they are young and it was barely a blip for them. They both had a fever for about 18 hours, and a very light cough. They were both symptom free after about 3 days. My wife and our babysitter were definitely exposed, but neither of them had symptoms. Most of the neighborhood kids all got the same light fever, none of my adult neighbors showed any symptoms. My across the street neighbor runs a vet business out of her garage, and her assistant began showing symptoms about 2 weeks after me, so I can only assume that she got it from our neighborhood. By the time she got sick, the news was catching onto the spread and she immediately went home and self quarantined.
Another thing to note. If I eat really badly a few days in a row now, I start to feel light versions of my symptoms all over again. I believe this virus is more blood vessel related, and not just respiratory. This might be something that has permanently changed how my body / immune system functions.
SF Kosmo
Banned
There's also some indication that certain blood types might have a degree of natural immunity, and like you said some less deadly strains that might boost immunity. It doesn't have to be black or white. The fact is we haven't gone totally back to normal, but a degree of herd immunity on top of the precautions that are still in place and masks and all that seem to be keeping that R under 1.0 in those areas.
Which doesn't mean we should just "let it rip" Sweden style, because we don't want to just overload the hospitals; I know a couple nurses and Covid is hell to care for. We should do what we can, wear the masks, try to limit gatherings to outdoors (it's summer anyway). But I really do think by October we're gonna see it really flatten out nationwide.
bigsnack
Member
This is exactly what I think is going on. I don't think there is any stopping the spread, it's only a matter of time until it passes through everyone. It's just that certain areas were more delayed than others. As an example, I was sick in Feb, and our whole neighborhood was exposed. We have 10+ kids on the street that all play together, so I'm assuming everyone was exposed in that time frame. Nobody on the the street has fallen ill since that time frame, and nobody is still being diligent about social distancing aside from one family. The kids all play, everyone's going to the beach on hot days, etc. I wear my mask when I'm out getting food or whatever, but I honestly don't believe that is helping much.
Jooxed
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I know of one person on this board who got it and recovered. I don't want to blow up his spot if he wants to keep it private though.
Working in healthcare we had 30 cases. 26 recovered 4 dead.
bigsnack
Member
I agree with this too! My blood type is A, and I got hit pretty hard. My wife is O and she either didn't contract it, or she was an asymptomatic carrier. It's anecdotal, but our experience does fall in line with the reports that A is more susceptible and O is less.
Airbus Jr
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The rumours that certain blood type have better immmunity has been debunked and proven false
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SF Kosmo
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Were you tested for it at the time? I just ask because February was when it was only hitting a very small segment of people. I have seen people saying they think they had it over Christmas and crazy shit like that, and unless you were celebrating Chrismas with Bat Soup from a Wuhan wet market, no you didn't.
I know a few people that got it. My brother in law got it pretty early in March, which means my sister and her kids did too, but only he was symptomatic. An old friend of mine got it pretty bad for a few weeks, but eventually recovered without being hospitalized. An uncle got it and recovered but it fucked him up pretty bad (he's in his 70s). One friend got it and had a stroke, which is honestly the thing that scares me the most (Covid causes blood clots). He is recovering but you're never the same from that.
No one I know personally died. Couple friends of my girlfriend did though.
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bigsnack
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I was not tested around the time I was sick, as we weren't in full pandemic mode back then. I also took an Abbot antibody test the week that it was available, but it came back negative. Based on reports and data that I've read, that's not very surprising.
My experience completely falls in line with the virus however. The headache, the eye pain, loss of smell / taste, body weakness, chills / fever that dragged on for days, the cough, my kids being sick but much much milder, etc. Unfortunately, I do have a coworker that died from a stroke that we all believe was brought on from COVID. That being said, he was an alcoholic and absolutely did not take care of himself. He had the stroke and was hospitalized, and seemed to be recovering OK. Then suddenly he went into multiple organ failure and passed away.
My experience completely falls in line with the virus however. The headache, the eye pain, loss of smell / taste, body weakness, chills / fever that dragged on for days, the cough, my kids being sick but much much milder, etc. Unfortunately, I do have a coworker that died from a stroke that we all believe was brought on from COVID. That being said, he was an alcoholic and absolutely did not take care of himself. He had the stroke and was hospitalized, and seemed to be recovering OK. Then suddenly he went into multiple organ failure and passed away.
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ManaByte
Gold Member
Yup my wife and I had something in February. Fatigue so bad you couldn't even sit up in a chair. I didn't have a bad cough, but she had a serious dry cough that lasted for days.
SF Kosmo
Banned
Yeah, who really knows then. The antibody tests are not good. To the point where they're barely even useful at all. I definitely went through a couple weeks where I felt tired and weak and had breathing trouble. Could have been covid, could have been allergies from being cooped up with cats and smoking too much weed because I was bored.
. I have no idea. The blood clot thing is scary, it seems like that happens to people who maybe don't even have a lot of overt symptoms. The guy I know who had a stroke was a healthy guy in his late 30s.
cryptoadam
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Links?
Last I read type 0 had some sort of advantage, but this was like a month ago and things move so fast.
bigsnack
Member
Yeah man, I know a number of folks with this story. I (so far) can't find anyone that had this "mystery" illness in that time frame and who has also later officially gotten COVID19. It makes the most sense that it was making the rounds a bit earlier than everyone thought, and maybe what we are living through right now is actually a second wave... It will only make sense once we are looking at it in the rear view mirror though, so who knows!
DeepBreath87
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I work in healthcare in PA and I had an illness right at the beginning of March the spread to my kids and wife. I had a very brief fever followed by about a week of fairly significant fatigue. I also had a minimal cough for a little bit. Then the kids both had a fever for like 4 days with general fatigue/coughing but nothing concerning. My wife had the same thing I did basically.
The time frame matches up almost perfectly for it to have been COVID. I’d be surprised if it was anything else considering we all had the flu shot. I also work directing with COVID patients and haven’t been sick at all since, although that could be chalked up to PPE as well.
My father-in-law tested positive about a month ago and was pretty under the weather for about 5 days. He’s fully recovered now, thankfully.
The time frame matches up almost perfectly for it to have been COVID. I’d be surprised if it was anything else considering we all had the flu shot. I also work directing with COVID patients and haven’t been sick at all since, although that could be chalked up to PPE as well.
My father-in-law tested positive about a month ago and was pretty under the weather for about 5 days. He’s fully recovered now, thankfully.
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