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prag16

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More 1,322 deaths today. We lost the battle. 100%. :messenger_pensive:

There's probably a lot more cases & deaths but we're testing an abysmal number of people unfortunately. São Paulo state has 44 million people but we only tested 1,1M.

We're doomed.
It will recede like it did in other hotspots. Cases and deaths are no longer showing any growth. We'll probably see this recede pretty soon. India on the other hand, with their billion people living in a phone booth, will likely be in for a rough go of it. I don't see any way their numbers can possibly be remotely accurate, and it looks like it'll get much worse before it gets better.
 

AsylumKeeper

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Interesting blog post from economist Tyler Cowen that starts off with a reader question trying to make sense of the exponential fall in cases that Sweden accomplished without a stringent lockdown or widespread masking:

Yeah I live in Sweden and I have to say that we are really acting like everything is as usual. I was at the harbour yesterday and everyone was having a wonderful time with people eating out, kids in the swings and I saw maybe 2-3 people wearing facemasks. The media are reporting the numbers going down but not focusing alot on it. I saw reporting in one of the biggest newspapers that places we swedes normally go for vacations hasn't seen any rises in cases as feared.

I have to say, it is looking very promising here.
 

segasonic

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I'd agree if the shit you were referring to was the media's panic porn.

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Joe T.

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Just hospitals overflowing and people having to go to a nearby state for treatment..... but LOOK AT THESE NUMBERS THAT WENT DOWN!

Arizona increased testing in the face of a crisis, which causes some numbers to go down... that doesn't somehow make the problem better. It just means more people with less serious conditions are being diagnosed.. which is important so they can know to isolate, but isn't somehow indicative of the problem getting better.

Facts matter, the more you have the clearer the picture.

You can do what you want with the Arizona numbers, but living in fear doesn't make much sense after seeing NYC and New Jersey overcome the challenges they faced with help from around the country. Dr. Birx is still carefully watching the cases nationwide and meeting with governors. The US proved it's up to the task of handling high case loads, no amount of freaking out now is going to change that.
 
That does explain why the cases are not rising in places where the first wave has passed and the lockdown measures were largely lifted. I'm sure this will enrage the people who rail against herd immunity, imagine a pre-existing herd immunity saving us instead of lockdowns and rejecting all the evils of modern society.
 

diffusionx

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Yeah I live in Sweden and I have to say that we are really acting like everything is as usual. I was at the harbour yesterday and everyone was having a wonderful time with people eating out, kids in the swings and I saw maybe 2-3 people wearing facemasks. The media are reporting the numbers going down but not focusing alot on it. I saw reporting in one of the biggest newspapers that places we swedes normally go for vacations hasn't seen any rises in cases as feared.

I have to say, it is looking very promising here.

Obviously Sweden could have done a better job of protecting the elderly, they made similar mistakes as New York, but really the best benefit of doing it Sweden’s way is that your country does not have the crippling, overwhelming, insane fear that has gripped the USA. This stupid country locked hundreds of millions of people in their homes and fed them sensationalist nonsense for months. Now even if COVID cases dropped to zero tomorrow I don’t think people would resume their normal lives or even want to. This is obviously something that the media and government will not talk about, because they are the ones scaring people and making a ton of money to do so. This is what people meant by “cure is worse than the disease” back in the day.

Better news:





Look at NY - COVID swept through for months, tons of infected people, once cases started dropping they stayed down, even after the riots and violence. That said... I’ve taken the black pill on this COVID stuff. I think we are long past the point where “the facts matter” on this. It’s just pure paranoia and fear.
 
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IntentionalPun

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Facts matter, the more you have the clearer the picture.

Exactly; the numbers you posted ignored that testing went way up. I can't believe you just said this to ME, in response to someone using only 2 statistics to paint an INCOMPLETE picture. I'm not saying "don't look at those numbers" I'm saying everything has to come in context of the full picture.

You can do what you want with the Arizona numbers, but living in fear doesn't make much sense after seeing NYC and New Jersey overcome the challenges they faced with help from around the country. Dr. Birx is still carefully watching the cases nationwide and meeting with governors. The US proved it's up to the task of handling high case loads, no amount of freaking out now is going to change that.

It's about people being strict with social distancing and mask wearing to combat a surge. That's what actually happened in NYC. They had tougher lockdowns and measures than most of the country. NY and NYC were strict when people violated rules, etc. That's also what Seattle and Washington have done, and are going to do again because people started getting lax and numbers surged.

Living in fear doesn't make sense? That... makes no sense. It's not about the fear, it's about people understanding why they need to follow these orders, or why the orders are necessary. Pretty clear many people don't get it.. AKA.. they aren't afraid enough.

Meanwhile we have Florida, SoCal, etc. doing the opposite of what New York did.
 

IntentionalPun

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Better news:




I mean I hope this guy is right.

But that's not how science works. One cancer doctor declaring the rest of the scientific community, including those who have spent their careers studying viruses, wrong.. is not science. It's cherry picking and it's actually what the people with a NARRATIVE do.

This entire forum is so hypocritical. "OMG these fear mongerers aren't using science, look at this one cancer doctor whose opinion matches MY narrative!"
 

sinnergy

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That does explain why the cases are not rising in places where the first wave has passed and the lockdown measures were largely lifted. I'm sure this will enrage the people who rail against herd immunity, imagine a pre-existing herd immunity saving us instead of lockdowns and rejecting all the evils of modern society.
Say that to Europe where every country around The Netherlands is reporting that the cases are rising .. very troubling if you ask me. And Spain is reversing lossend measures and some states and cities back in lockdown.
 
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sinnergy

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Obviously Sweden could have done a better job of protecting the elderly, they made similar mistakes as New York, but really the best benefit of doing it Sweden’s way is that your country does not have the crippling, overwhelming, insane fear that has gripped the USA. This stupid country locked hundreds of millions of people in their homes and fed them sensationalist nonsense for months. Now even if COVID cases dropped to zero tomorrow I don’t think people would resume their normal lives or even want to. This is obviously something that the media and government will not talk about, because they are the ones scaring people and making a ton of money to do so. This is what people meant by “cure is worse than the disease” back in the day.



Look at NY - COVID swept through for months, tons of infected people, once cases started dropping they stayed down, even after the riots and violence. That said... I’ve taken the black pill on this COVID stuff. I think we are long past the point where “the facts matter” on this. It’s just pure paranoia and fear.
Sweden has much less people on a square mile .. Reminds you of distancing ... natural distancing.

that’s why you need to social distance , is it that hard to understand? Why do you think elderly died because they are packed .

You can’t compare countries directly.
Until it hits you or your family personally, than you will talk differently.
 
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diffusionx

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Sweden has much less people on a square mile .. Reminds you of distancing ... natural distancing.

that’s why you need to social distance , is it that hard to understand? Why do you think elderly died because they are packed .

You can’t compare countries directly.
Until it hits you or your family personally, than you will talk differently.

Elderly died because Cuomo sent infected patients into nursing homes. Something like 30% of total deaths were in nursing homes.

And you do know Sweden has cities right? Stockholm is more dense than Houston or Phoenix.
 
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Guileless

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I read the linked AP article about New Mexico hospitals, and then the Albuquerque Journal article that was linked in the AP article. Here's what it says about the transfers from Arizona to New Mexico:


At least two Albuquerque health care systems – University of New Mexico Hospital and Presbyterian Healthcare Services – have accepted Arizona patients for treatment.

Clay Holderman, Presbyterian’s chief operating officer, said that 96 coronavirus patients from the Navajo Nation in Arizona have been accepted since the coronavirus pandemic began in mid-March but that only two such patients have arrived in the past week. Such patients are generally transferred either by helicopter or small aircraft, he said.

So one of the hospitals has been accepting transfers from Arizona since March and got a grand total of two patients from Arizona in the last week.
 

diffusionx

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I read the linked AP article about New Mexico hospitals, and then the Albuquerque Journal article that was linked in the AP article. Here's what it says about the transfers from Arizona to New Mexico:




So one of the hospitals has been accepting transfers from Arizona since March and got a grand total of two patients from Arizona in the last week.

Reminds me of when that big navy ship came to NYC to help with the "carnage" and ended up treating less than 200 people in a month. It really feels like I am living in a computer simulation on loop, the media is just recycling this bullshit over and over.
 

sinnergy

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Just flu ! Some posters live in a loop, reality is your are living in a pandemic.
Which most of the world population have never witnessed. As soon as you accept and act like it , the sooner your get you live back ..

its that simple .
 
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prag16

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I mean I hope this guy is right.

But that's not how science works. One cancer doctor declaring the rest of the scientific community, including those who have spent their careers studying viruses, wrong.. is not science. It's cherry picking and it's actually what the people with a NARRATIVE do.

This entire forum is so hypocritical. "OMG these fear mongerers aren't using science, look at this one cancer doctor whose opinion matches MY narrative!"
Groupthink is a hell of a drug. Just saying.
 

diffusionx

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Say that to Europe where every country around The Netherlands is reporting that the cases are rising .. very troubling if you ask me. And Spain is reversing lossend measures and some states and cities back in lockdown.

Wait aren't all those countries enforcing mask usage and social distancing tightly? Don't they have high levels of social cohesion and more of a willingness to go along? By what people have been saying for a while, Europe did stuff right and we did stuff wrong - shouldn't this mean that Netherlands and Spain would not have increasing cases? So what's going on?

Well, I predicted that would happen. Again, it's a virus. Viruses spread because they are viruses.Lockdowns and cloth masks are not going to eliminate a contagious virus. It doesn't matter how competent the political leadership is, or if everyone wears stupid masks. The virus is going to go to places where it hasn't gone before, that is why states like California/Arizona/Texas/Florida that locked down early and hard saw rising cases as places opened up and people interacted. They were like New York in February and March, except in February and March nobody was testing or locking down anything. It's not a reason to get scared, panic, and torch the whole of society.

Now, what we see after that, I don't know. Nobody does. if this virus is a perfect storm of contagion, reinfection, vaccine "resistance", long term damage, then we're probably dealing with a man made bioweapon and it's time to come clean. In which case I say fuck it, we are all screwed anyway so let's just have a good time.

I mean I hope this guy is right.

But that's not how science works. One cancer doctor declaring the rest of the scientific community, including those who have spent their careers studying viruses, wrong.. is not science. It's cherry picking and it's actually what the people with a NARRATIVE do.

No, what we have seen this entire time is pure narrative, as the media and tech companies have shut down all opposing viewpoints in order to advance the WHO/CDC/Fauci groupthink. This is exactly what has happened.

Now - is the WHO/CDC/Fauci groupthink wrong? Well, so far they've been proven wrong over and over, and have changed their minds multiple times, so I think it's reasonable to say, maybe. At the very least it means that those differing viewpoints should be allowed and argued. But no, from the start, it has not.
 
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diffusionx

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Just flu ! Some posters live in a loop, reality is your are living in a pandemic.
Which most of the world population have never witnessed. As soon as you accept and act like it , the sooner your get you live back ..

its that simple .

I see one of two options here, either this thing is exactly what they describe, in which case we should have our lives back now as there is no reason for all this insanity for what it presents. Or it's something that is in all actuality far worse, in terms of bioweapon scale, and we are never getting our lives back ever, period.
 

Joe T.

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Living in fear doesn't make sense? That... makes no sense. It's not about the fear, it's about people understanding why they need to follow these orders, or why the orders are necessary. Pretty clear many people don't get it.. AKA.. they aren't afraid enough.

Some odd contradictions. Living in fear cripples both the mind and the body, including the decision making process.

Apply the golden rule, if you want your audience to respect you and the information you're giving them then you should respect them. Give them the facts, both those in favor of the mitigation efforts and those against. They'll find them one way or another, better they come from the doctors/health officials than those pushing against them.

Mistakes were made and we're now apparently living in a world where almost no one wants to own up to them, Tony Fauci included:

 

Belgorim

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Ever wonder why there is so much polarization in the West right now.


This is how Sweden reports also, as long as you have a positive test in last 30 days it is covid that killed you.

UK still has a very high mortality rate compared to previous years though, no?

Edit: It seems England doesnt have a time limit though, that will screw it up a lot given time. Still, better to check mortality rates.
 
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IntentionalPun

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Some odd contradictions. Living in fear cripples both the mind and the body, including the decision making process.
It's not a contradiction, maybe I just worded it poorly.

It's about people knowing what they need to know to be safe. The knowledge should be making them afraid was my point.

Instead we have people rejecting the knowledge. A lot of it is this BS "OMG they weren't 100% correct about this new incredibly complex thing so therefor the entirety of the science is invalid." I mean we have people arguing scientists are "wrong" because they are "changing things." That's what science does... iterate.

It's not ABOUT the fear, but people should certainly be afraid. I'm afraid of jumping off of a cliff because I know I'll die.
 
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Cracklox

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There's definitely some suspect stuff countries are doing with reporting. Deaths especially. Otherwise how's this explained in a nation of 25 million, in comparison to other countries


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Compared to, say Canada, who have 12 million or so more people, but are a similarly developed country, with a similar geographical layout. Ie everyone lives around the edges, and the middle is an in-climate hell hole. Just ones hot and ones cold.


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Now further to that, everyone of the 116 deaths here has been reported as being elderly (70+). The media tried to make a big deal of a 30 something year old guy who was originally reported as dying from it, but then that was retracted a few weeks later. Although I'm a long way from pleased how things have been handled here, I'm reasonably trustworthy of the reporting on who's dying at least, given the case of the aforementioned 30 odd year old and they way they were at least honest, and owned up about the mistake. Even if the clarification was the equivalent of putting a small article on page 17 of the newspaper, after the original story ran front page

Then you see things like the way Florida and other places are double and triple counting people for cases. Or people dying of a heart attack or something, but because they had CV, then chalk that one up as a stat...

And lastly, people were citing Australia (and NZ) early on as an example of how other countries should have reacted. Maybe/maybe not. Our numbers look pretty good I guess. But I can say, there's still no mask mandate here and most people haven't been wearing them. I can somewhat confidently say that too, living in the inner suburbs of the second biggest city in Australia. Although, in fairness, we've had the dreaded 'second wave' where I live, and I'm definitely seeing more masks around in the last week or two.

So yeah, just way to much suspect stuff going on to be able to believe everything I'm being fed from the media and politicians. Or buy into the giant scare campaign that's going on.
 

Joe T.

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It's not a contradiction, maybe I just worded it poorly.

It's about people knowing what they need to know to be safe. The knowledge should be making them afraid was my point.

Instead we have people rejecting the knowledge. A lot of it is this BS "OMG they weren't 100% correct about this new incredibly complex thing so therefor the entirety of the science is invalid." I mean we have people arguing scientists are "wrong" because they are "changing things." That's what science does... iterate.

It's not ABOUT the fear, but people should certainly be afraid. I'm afraid of jumping off of a cliff because I know I'll die.

Using fear in that manner is manipulative and counterproductive, take it from someone that shakes his head and laughs at the major news sources every single day.

You don't live on a cliff's edge. Fear is something that needs to be overcome and knowledge is how that's done, i.e. you know jumping off that cliff will kill you so there's nothing left to fear, you simply avoid it or take extra precautions. I wouldn't wear a mask out of fear, I'd wear it because I'm confident it helps to some degree.

The information we've been receiving in much of the western world is usually incomplete/misleading/wrong and, like I said, when the facts are coming from a different source pushing against the doctors/officials' message then it risks dividing people. We've seen a lot of that over the years and our media is the biggest culprit, some of it fueled by divisive social media accounts backed by America's adversaries working tirelessly to keep us fighting with each other.

When Fauci told everyone that masks weren't beneficial, even in the middle of an outbreak, he wasn't helping anyone - health care workers that might have staved off shortages then had to treat sick patients that might have otherwise avoided infection. I don't understand the need to defend him and others in the same position because the science on masks hasn't changed at all this year. In fact, one of the supporting arguments has been that Asian countries adopted them long ago. Scientists have made it clear there won't be any controlled human tests conducted because it's unethical:

The second problem was that most medical researchers are used to judging interventions on the basis of randomized controlled trials. These are the foundation of evidence based medicine. However, it is impossible and unethical to test mask-wearing, hand-washing or social distancing during a pandemic.


I don't think that article goes far enough, as I alluded to earlier, so don't mistake this as my support for it. The sticking point when presenting the full picture, including the downsides of masks, is that it makes it trickier for politicians to mandate them. Some of them want to go the easy/simple route by telling you what to do, no questions asked... except the answers to those questions can lead to a healthier, more respectful populace.

I hope we're all on the same side here and want to see life return to something resembling normal as quickly as possible. It's doubtful the CCP want that, they want to expand their influence over the world, and the mainstream media makes a killing sensationalizing stories like this pandemic which has effectively turned them into useful idiots with really big megaphones. Soak in all the relevant information wherever it may come from and filter out the editorializing because it's seldom serving the public interest.
 

gatti-man

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Elderly died because Cuomo sent infected patients into nursing homes. Something like 30% of total deaths were in nursing homes.

And you do know Sweden has cities right? Stockholm is more dense than Houston or Phoenix.
You do know Cuomo had no where else to send them right? This is such a tired criticism. When hospitals are full that’s when people really start dying from Covid. Look at Texas. Our daily deaths are tripling now That hospitals are mostly full to capacity, especially in the cities.

Covid on its own isn’t that dangerous until we run out of ability to give people proper care. Field hospitals are a joke.
 

sinnergy

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You do know Cuomo had no where else to send them right? This is such a tired criticism. When hospitals are full that’s when people really start dying from Covid. Look at Texas. Our daily deaths are tripling now That hospitals are mostly full to capacity, especially in the cities.

Covid on its own isn’t that dangerous until we run out of ability to give people proper care. Field hospitals are a joke.
Yup, but talking about statistics is way more easy ! 🥴
 

Joe T.

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You do know Cuomo had no where else to send them right? This is such a tired criticism.

"I now get criticized that I had an overcapacity of beds available. 'Oh, you didn't need all those beds as it turned out...' I'll take that, I'm guilty!" -Cuomo




Anyone happen to know the name of the reporter at the 6:35 mark?
 

sinnergy

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Better be prepared to not be ... but who’s counting ..

anyway it looks like Belgium is going the wrong way after they lifted lock down about a month ago , cases are now up 50% less than a week, this virus is no joke .

tomorrow emergency meeting in Belgium.
 
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You do know Cuomo had no where else to send them right? This is such a tired criticism. When hospitals are full that’s when people really start dying from Covid. Look at Texas. Our daily deaths are tripling now That hospitals are mostly full to capacity, especially in the cities.

Covid on its own isn’t that dangerous until we run out of ability to give people proper care. Field hospitals are a joke.
I agree about hospital capacity increasing mortality substantially. But I wouldn’t start comparing Texas to New York yet. New York was horribly mismanaged. The problem with their nursing home policy is that they turned 1 sick patient into 10 when they sent contagious people into those homes. Texas currently has 1/8 the daily death New York did at its peak while have a larger population.

Now that might go up more. In fact I fully expect Texas to have 200-300 deaths per day for the next week or two as the deaths chase the cases. However, if they are careful, they won’t see the absolute avalanche New York did because they won’t make a bad situation worse by flooding actively contagious people back into vulnerable places.
 

gatti-man

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"I now get criticized that I had an overcapacity of beds available. 'Oh, you didn't need all those beds as it turned out...' I'll take that, I'm guilty!" -Cuomo




Anyone happen to know the name of the reporter at the 6:35 mark?

Ah yes the ever credible YouTube video. Having a field bed for a senior citizen might as well be putting a bullet in their head. People confuse “bed” with adequate care but this is what you get with garbage youtube.


I agree about hospital capacity increasing mortality substantially. But I wouldn’t start comparing Texas to New York yet. New York was horribly mismanaged. The problem with their nursing home policy is that they turned 1 sick patient into 10 when they sent contagious people into those homes. Texas currently has 1/8 the daily death New York did at its peak while have a larger population.

Now that might go up more. In fact I fully expect Texas to have 200-300 deaths per day for the next week or two as the deaths chase the cases. However, if they are careful, they won’t see the absolute avalanche New York did because they won’t make a bad situation worse by flooding actively contagious people back into vulnerable places.
This parroting of the conservative mantra that NY was mismanaged is hilarious. NY wasn’t mismanaged at all. Being the first hit and so strongly Cuomo did an amazing job. Straight up.

Texas should never be NY. NY is the only place in the country with that kind of massive population density and Ride share density. The only other place that’s even close to comparable is the California coast. Texas and Florida have zero excuse to even approach their level of Covid spread or peak Covid cases. Our population is spread far more thinly and We don’t have mass population transit like New York does.

Anyone that even compares the 3 states makes me laugh out loud. Covid was always going to be a nightmare in NY and nothing anyone did besides have a vaccine would prevent that. Reasons why NY was screwed:
Hit first while the president was calling it a dem hoax.
Not nearly enough supplies. Hospitals out of masks and short staffed.
Treatments were still evolving.
Knowledge of how Covid spread was totally incomplete.
Population density
Transit density
World wide hub of travel and commerce.

Texas and Florida had months to prepare and they are still having massive death tolls. It’s completely different and from my point of view as a Business manager in Texas we are completely unorganized as a state when it comes to controlling Covid. Shit is laughable here with a state gov that seems completely clueless as to what to do.
 
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Ah yes the ever credible YouTube video. Having a field bed for a senior citizen might as well be putting a bullet in their head. People confuse “bed” with adequate care but this is what you get with garbage youtube.



This parroting of the conservative mantra that NY was mismanaged is hilarious. NY wasn’t mismanaged at all. Being the first hit and so strongly Cuomo did an amazing job. Straight up.

Texas should never be NY. NY is the only place in the country with that kind of massive population density and Ride share density. The only other place that’s even close to comparable is the California coast. Texas and Florida have zero excuse to even approach their level of Covid spread or peak Covid cases. Our population is spread far more thinly and We don’t have mass population transit like New York does.

Anyone that even compares the 3 states makes me laugh out loud. Covid was always going to be a nightmare in NY and nothing anyone did besides have a vaccine would prevent that. Reasons why NY was screwed:
Hit first while the president was calling it a dem hoax.
Not nearly enough supplies. Hospitals out of masks and short staffed.
Treatments were still evolving.
Knowledge of how Covid spread was totally incomplete.
Population density
Transit density
World wide hub of travel and commerce.
Cuomo has 8x the death of Texas despite having a smaller population. New York has a deaths per million of 1672. Texas is at 136. Texas its about 33rd in terms of per capita death. Population density doesn't account for Cuomo idiotically mandating nursing homes, both notorious for poor infection control and housing vulnerable people almost exclusively, take actively contagious patients. It doesn't explain why they weren't at least cleaning the subways until long after the virus had peaked. New York wont even report the actual nursing home deaths because Cuomo knows its too embarrassing. If a SNF patient went to the hosptial and died there, it doesn't get included in their +6000 reported nursing home deaths. Those are just the people who died in their facilities.

The fact New Yorkers still look at that guy like he's anything but a bumbling fool shows just how gullible they are. For all their bullshit, they've fallen for a face on television instead of looking at the obvious truth. This guy blew it to a ludicrous degree. There are large cities all over to world and none of them shit the bed like New York. While they may have been more vulnerable in some ways, when 25% of the deaths in the whole country are in one place, that placed fucked up. To say he did an amazing job is completely asinine.
 

sinnergy

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Cuomo has 8x the death of Texas despite having a smaller population. New York has a deaths per million of 1672. Texas is at 136. Texas its about 33rd in terms of per capita death. Population density doesn't account for Cuomo idiotically mandating nursing homes, both notorious for poor infection control and housing vulnerable people almost exclusively, take actively contagious patients. It doesn't explain why they weren't at least cleaning the subways until long after the virus had peaked. New York wont even report the actual nursing home deaths because Cuomo knows its too embarrassing. If a SNF patient went to the hosptial and died there, it doesn't get included in their +6000 reported nursing home deaths. Those are just the people who died in their facilities.

The fact New Yorkers still look at that guy like he's anything but a bumbling fool shows just how gullible they are. For all their bullshit, they've fallen for a face on television instead of looking at the obvious truth. This guy blew it to a ludicrous degree. There are large cities all over to world and none of them shit the bed like New York. While they may have been more vulnerable in some ways, when 25% of the deaths in the whole country are in one place, that placed fucked up. To say he did an amazing job is completely asinine.
Italy was the same and New York is overcrowded and crowds are a field day for corona ... I think he did good.
 

diffusionx

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I don’t think Cuomo did a good or bad job, he did the best he could, when we had little information. Some good moves, some bad ones. I give him credit for stepping into the leadership vacuum caused by De Blasio in the early days. Shutting down the subway at night was a good idea. He closed the schools which was probably the right move at the time, although current evidence says its not really a vector for transmission. His reopening plan was well formulated, although in the end it turned out to be subject to his whims. I think what happened in NY was mostly out of his control, it was a virus running through a major state and metropolitan area. His histrionics about ventilators and shit early on were not needed, but it was a good play to his base.

Ultimately though his nursing home policy deserves to be criticized, and criticized harshly. There’s a reason why he changed it as soon as people started talking about it. There’s a reason he immediately tried to blame muh drumpf. A lot of old people died who should not have died. Now maybe they would have died six months later, we are talking about people at the end of their lives, but it was still a big mistake.
 
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Gp1

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Hancock calls for urgent review into coronavirus death data in England

Health Secretary Matt Hancock has called for an urgent review into how coronavirus deaths have been recorded in England.

A note on the government's website read: "Currently the daily deaths measure counts all people who have tested positive for coronavirus and since died, with no cut-off between time of testing and date of death.

"There have been claims that the lack of cut-off may distort the current daily deaths number."

There have been 40,528 deaths linked to the virus in England.

Prof Carl Heneghan from University of Oxford, who spotted the issue with the data, told the BBC there was "huge variation" in the numbers of daily deaths reported in England by PHE.

While NHS England currently reports 30-35 deaths per day, Public Health England (PHE) data often shows double that or more, he said.




The exact same thing is happens in Brazil. Where we report "1000-1200" daily, but those deaths are distributed in almost a month because of delays in the testing/reporting.
 
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