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Mask Efficacy |OT| Wuhan!! Got You All In Check
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CrapSandwich
former Navy SEAL
This is mind exploding stuff. Of course we know that defining a cause of death usually isn't as simple as it would be with a gunshot victim due to compounding factors and chains of causality. For example, someone dies of a sepsis infection and cause of death is listed as such. Is that really the cause? Or was it the alcoholism that led to the sepsis? Or the divorce that led to the alcoholism? Maybe that's too abstract an example. But here in the case of covid, it appears that the misclassification of deaths has to be absolutely massive.
Anyways, here's the archive of the article if anyone wants to read:
A closer look at U.S. deaths due to COVID-19
According to new data, the U.S. currently ranks first in total COVID-19 cases, new cases per day and deaths. Genevieve Briand, assistant program director of the Applied Economics master’s degree program at Hopkins, critically analyzed the effect of COVID-19 on U.S. deaths using data from the...
web.archive.org
diffusionx
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Reminds me of this:
Update: Why Face Masks Don’t Work: A Revealing Review - Oral Health Group
For at least three decades face masks has been deemed an essential component of the personal protective equipment worn by dental personnel.
www.oralhealthgroup.com
Dentist website wrote in 2016 an article about how masks weren’t useful, but was deleted this year not because of new evidence or studies but because of the “climate.”
you can still find the article reprinted but that was the original source.
Why Face Masks Don’t Work: A Revealing Review
Author’s note: This is an article which appeared on the medical website Oral Health Group back in October 18, 2016 but due to “irrelevancy in the current climate” this website decided to ditch i
www.renegadetribune.com
If you read the article you will note it is a handy summary of the history and science of mask wearing over the course of decades leading to the conclusion in the headline. Note this is what they call science, self censoring and deleting articles that go against their narrative.
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Numbers are seriously going in the right direction only 2400 deaths a day in the USA ! Keep fighting the good fight ! Together you will manage ! Imagine it would have been 4800 deaths a day ! You guys aren’t there . All thanks to following the simple rules , don’t travel for thanksgiving for example, wash our hands often and work from home if possible. Great 
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diffusionx
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Nobody traveled for Thanksgiving, they all went to countrywide BLM protests. The virus doesn’t spread at BLM protests.Numbers are seriously going in the right direction only 2400 deaths a day in the USA ! Keep fighting the good fight ! Together you will manage ! Imagine it would have been 4800 deaths a day ! You guys aren’t there . All thanks to following the simple rules , don’t travel for thanksgiving for example, wash our hands often and work from home if possible. Great
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MisterFalcon
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Outdoor protests do indeed have far less potential for infection then sitting indoors around a table.
diffusionx
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No they don’t, as we saw cases explode after the George Floyd Memorial Riots
that’s one of those fake stories the media told to advance their narrative to NPCs.
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hariseldon
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The protests may be outdoors but they do tend to involve a lot of screaming into the faces of police officers while not wearing masks. That kind of thing is probably a fairly large infection vector.
Airbus Jr
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Explain.
I sit at home with 8 family members from 3 households. We don't attend if we have symptoms.
I go to a protest where I encounter 100s if not 1000s of individuals. Shouting, chanting, brushing against each other where the crowd has a "bottleneck". I have no control over who attends etc. No control even over how people travelled to the protest.
I have less risk attending the protest? Let's hear the logic there.
Airbus Jr
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Your logic doesnt make any sense bro
MisterFalcon
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Maybe but there are no rises in positive tests in the weeks following the protests in a place like Philadephia.
Testing data | Programs and initiatives
Current COVID-19 test results in Philadelphia.
www.phila.gov
Cases should have skyrocketed early June but they did not.
Its not irrelevant since the statistics regarding demographics, specifically age, look to be the same across a range of geographical regions.
Since the beginning of this we knew that the most vulnerable people were those over a certain age.
Focusing on this specific age groups would have narrowed the scope of attempts to prevent deaths.
Its been 9 months now and we are still look at all these deaths every day wondering how to prevent them when we know exactly who is most likely to die.
At times it feels like we are wilfully ignoring deaths in nursing homes etc and pretending like some kids having a house party are all going to die and take the rest of us out with them.
I think people don't appreciate or understand the case by case personal circumstances other people are faced with.
I wonder how many people have just spent their last Thanksgiving sitting alone at home away from family because of this situation. I wonder how many families will look back and think they should have just rolled the dice with Covid because grandma died anyway and we just left her to die alone because it was "the right thing to do".
There should have always been an attempt at balance here. Try to protect those who are most vulnerable but also do not take away people's freedoms.
If people want to take the risk then that's on them. If others are scared then let them isolate and support them in that decision.
Media is focused on fear and judgement when they should be focused on information, reassurance and education.
Shit, once people get into those high 80s and 90s years they probably don't have a lot of living left to do.
I wouldn't want to have to live with not visiting family and then down the line it turns out this was the last opportunity. Though I would also not want to live with potentially infecting them either.
Theres no good solution, really. Can we really blame those who have decided just to travel?
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DeepBreath87
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Thank God I’m not Catholic. What an embarrassment.
cryptoadam
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Lupingosei
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At least the whole Corona thing has shown us something. If we face something like the Spanish flu again, we are fucked. We are talking 100+ million deaths worldwide.
We always thought the WHO and the states would be able to handle something like this, but even with something like Corona they failed. (except Taiwan, Korea, and Japan)
The emperor wears no clothes.
We always thought the WHO and the states would be able to handle something like this, but even with something like Corona they failed. (except Taiwan, Korea, and Japan)
The emperor wears no clothes.
Not if you live in the EU or US.
I'm 99% certain Covid19 is seasonal at this point. So instead of one person infecting one other person on average per day. It's closer to 1 person infecting 1.05->1.10 a day.
And this starts at Autumn. Only thing that counters it would be herd immunity to keep it at 1:1, otherwise:
New York COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer
New York COVID-19 Coronavirus update by county with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, current active cases, recoveries, historical data, trends, projections, and timeline.www.worldometers.info
You can expect New York to hit 7k cases by December per day.
Hopefully people will wake up soon and see this pattern, because not only does it mean not locking down during Spring/Summer, it would also mean one could scale Field Hospitals ahead of time.
Hey look, I'm capable of predicting the future !!! 6938 cases as of today.
cryptoadam
Banned
Ya but if NY had no Jews they wouldn't have any cases.
Hopefully Cuomo can work on that. Maybe some trains or camps where they concentrate. He already did a great job with the elderly.
diffusionx
Gold Member
It is incredible how I go on twitter and see replies to blue checks and it is constant kvetching about masks and shit.
Even while the fake case counts are going up basically everywhere, people are still clinging onto their faith in the almighty mask and other religious symbols of this.
Even while the fake case counts are going up basically everywhere, people are still clinging onto their faith in the almighty mask and other religious symbols of this.
cryptoadam
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Its amazing.
Why don't people just stay home whats the big deal. Oh my god can't people just like watch netflix and borrow their dads BMW!
Its interesting how COVID is kind of becoming a scarlet letter in a way. Only those evil wrong thinkers who don't wear masks and spend time with their family catch it. Like COVID is some sort of karmic punishment for not following the 10 commandments of the RONA.
diffusionx
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Yea, it's basically become that, if you get sick with the COVID, it is because you angered the gods, like in Ancient Greece.
It's just become such a weird thing. Even with the vaccine how does a society that has become so completely unglued function after this? My only hope is that the vast majority of these people are NPCs and would forget about it about 20 minutes after CNN stops talking about it.
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DeepBreath87
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Of course. Science is god now. It's omnipotent. Science knows when you misbehave. So of course if you disobey its edicts, passed down by the "expert" priests, you are subject to science's wrath, in this case, COVID.
cryptoadam
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Actually thats exactly what they are.
Look what happened over the summer with the BLM stuff.
As soon as TV man and Uncle Jack told them that "racial justice" was more dangerous than COVID, they forgot all about the RONA and gathered in the 10's of thousands. And they even did the reverse shaming where instead of gathering in groups your a grandma killer, now if you DIDNT gather in groups your a black man killer.
And now those same people who went out and protested and scolded your for silence is violence, are doing the opposite.
GF dies=Go out and protest or else you are spreading the dangerous racism virus
After that=Stay home and don't meet anyone or else you are spreading the dangerous grandma killer virus.
Mobile Suit Gooch
Grundle: The Awakening
not gonna happen.
Chaplain
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Pretty funny: Random Lockdown Generator
diffusionx
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So these lockdown Karens are just going to make our lives miserable forever while they cheer for the great reset?
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Mobile Suit Gooch
Grundle: The Awakening
probs.
Explosive Zombie
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Thread...
diffusionx
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Remember when the director of the CDC got in front of Congress and said masks are more effective than a vaccine?
Joe T.
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Remember when this thread had useful information instead of conspiracy theories
Court decides that quarantine in state of alert is illegal
The PCR test “is unable to determine, beyond reasonable doubt, that such positivity result corresponds, in fact, to the infection of a person by the SARS-CoV-2 virus”, said the Lisbon Court of Appeal.
www.theportugalnews.com
Explosive Zombie
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TrafalgarLaw
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Are [some of] you guys done with the conspiracy theories? Like it or not, vaccination is the only solution going forward.
Some of the research isn't peer-reviewed yet so best not to draw conclusions yet. We all know what happened with the hydroxychloroquine hype, turn out to be ineffective and have some serious side-effects.
Some of the research isn't peer-reviewed yet so best not to draw conclusions yet. We all know what happened with the hydroxychloroquine hype, turn out to be ineffective and have some serious side-effects.
diffusionx
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How is it a “conspiracy theory” if all the things discussed are objective fact? Literally the only refutation the coronabros have about the bogus PCR tests, the misuse of data, the total devastation of small businesses, the rise in bogus case counts even with high mask usage, the inflated mortality rate, the skew of deaths, the talk about great reset, is “it’s a conspiracy theory!”
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I've wondered this too, but I really think it is as simple as the fact that most people have the memory of a goldfish and as soon as we/they stop being told COVID is the end of the world people will forget. Me personally, my masks are going into the trash the second these stupid mandates go away. I know a lot of people have a similar mentality. I could care less about social distancing anymore. I don't go out of my way to get close to people (I hated people before COVID). But walking past someone on the sidewalk for 2 seconds isn't going to cause one of us to get COVID, now or ever unless I sneeze on them. So I've stopped trying to walk around people.
There's also a lot of money at stake. The entertainment industry is hemorrhaging money and there are a lot of rich influential people there. At some point those people will get tired of losing money and push leaders to pull back restrictions so they can make money.
For example - the NBA came out a couple of weeks ago and said that they basically won't make it through the 2021-22 season with the inability to pack arenas because of how much their business model relies on stadium revenue. It's the same in other sports and entertainment venues. The NHL has talked about pushing the start date of their season back farther basically because they can't afford to run a season with no fans in the stands.
I personally don't care about either of these sports, but I have little doubt that these things will come into play and suddenly case counts will either nose dive or not be reported on. If there is a spike in COVID, it will be compared to a bad flu season. From a psychological standpoint you can't pack arenas for of people with masks either because people are scared or because people like me want nothing to do with the experience of being in an arena for a concert or sporting event wearing a mask for three hours.
Money talks, and eventually will take over. These rich influential people in entertainment will only want to hemorrhage money for so long. With a vaccine coming out it's going to be hard to keep the charade going much longer.
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Mobile Suit Gooch
Grundle: The Awakening
2020 is the year of fraud.
prag16
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"FACT: I may have had sex with Gal Gadot."
diffusionx
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The elite, most powerful people on the planet: we must use this coronavirus to implement the great reset
peasant rabble: the most powerful people on the planet are using the Coronavirus to implement the great reset
coronabros: the idea that the most powerful people on the planet are using coronavirus to implement the great reset is a conspiracy theory
seriously what’s the matter with you people
peasant rabble: the most powerful people on the planet are using the Coronavirus to implement the great reset
coronabros: the idea that the most powerful people on the planet are using coronavirus to implement the great reset is a conspiracy theory
seriously what’s the matter with you people
12Goblins
Lil’ Gobbie
I do think it's a bit strange that we are throwing everything we can at covid patients (zinc, vit b, c, d, remdesivir, azithromycin, convalescent plasma, etc) and we don't really know how effective any of it is, if any of it works at all. The only thing we don't give them is plaquenil, largely for political reasons. It would be a shame, and by that I really mean disgraceful, if we find out in the future it does have benefits for those suffering from covid. We all need to do our jobs and tone down the political rhetoric and stay as objective as possible to prevent things like this from happening.
Has anyone else noticed the beginnings of a discrediting campaign against all non-Pfizer vaccines? Coincidentally, Pfizer is by FAR the largest company producing a vaccine, and it is also the only one (I believe) using the mRNA delivery method. In the last several days I’ve seen articles on how Astra-Zeneca’s vaccine efficacy data may be incorrect and now the above re: Moderna. AZ’s vaccine is much cheaper, too, and doesn’t require expensive and sensitive handling/storage techniques. Yet I haven’t seen anything in the MSM about how dubious Pfizer’s methodology was for determining efficacy, the paltry size of their sample groups, or any concerns about the heretofore unused mRNA delivery method. It’s almost like they want all roads to lead to Pfizer. For “some” reason...
EDIT: And large companies like Amazon/Walmart who have made out like bandits during this crisis should DEFINITELY be forced to pay into a relief fund for small businesses. But that will never even be explored or mentioned.
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Leyasu
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What happens during and after the great reset?
diffusionx
Gold Member
This is, unfortunately, what real "science" looks like. We just have to see how it goes. The fact is, this is a new thing, and we are trying to work it out. It is why this idea that only CNN-approved "experts" are "science" is so abhorrent, they don't know any more than any other person, and in fact, they might know quite a bit less than a doctor actually dealing with patients on a day to day basis.
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