Croatoan
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Hell yeah Abbott, maybe you wont get primaried after all.
Personally I will wait till april when I will have both shots of the vaccine to really rejoin society.
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Mask Efficacy |OT| Wuhan!! Got You All In Check
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Personally I will wait till april when I will have both shots of the vaccine to really rejoin society.
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Goddamn. The idea of moving to Texas is looking more and more appealing these days.
The Pleasure
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Stop posting about PC gamers looking at bloodbourne.Meanwhile in CA:
CrapSandwich
former Navy SEAL
I wouldn't be sure of that. Looking at NPIs around the world, they don't appear to correlate with the infection curves. I think there's a few outliers to that like NZ, but Germany doesn't look like one of them. They reimposed lockdowns as the fall spike started and the cases and deaths just kept going.Perhaps not in US.
It surely does work (to a point) in Germany.
Germany COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer
Germany Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.www.worldometers.info
It stagnated when... good weather (and opening schools) came. Germans struggle with staying home when it's sunny.
GamingKaiju
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Astrazenica was not recommended for people at 65 and above age.
How is that political?
The post factum news about effectiveness of anything, prove jack shit. We did NOT have evidence it helps earlier, there is nothing "political" about it, it is political to zoom out to "EU vs UK' and state otherwise.
Even after they've proved it does help elderly too, that whopping 36% chance of contracting the virus even after you are infected is too bad for elderly, I surely would not want my parents to take that, if they had mRNA option.
Perhaps not in US.
It surely does work (to a point) in Germany.
Germany COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer
Germany Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.
It stagnated when... good weather (and opening schools) came. Germans struggle with staying home when it's sunny.
France/EU made it political when they started acting like morons and activated article 16 of the U.K. withdrawal agreement over vaccine supplies and then Macron tweeted out that the Ox/AZ vaccine was “Quasi-ineffective” in over 65s with zero scientific backing which FYI studies have shown that the Ox/AZ vax is just as effective as the Pizfer if not more effective after the second dose.
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llien
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That is patently false.FYI studies have shown that the Ox/AZ vax is just as effective as the Pizfer if not more effective after the second dose.
64% is the figure claimed by 3rd phase studies of AZ (and that is from two injections, not one).
94% is the figure claimed by Biontech-Pfizer (and it's the former who developed it, and yes, that was in Germany) and later re-iterated by Israel.
6% chance of contracting virus vs 36%.
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llien
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That's not how it went in Germany with new cases.
Deaths curve naturally lags behind.
GamingKaiju
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Sorry I was referring to non peer reviewed study that was conducted in the U.K. puts both at around 60% after one dose the Pfizer does provide a tiny bit more efficacy this is against the B.1.1.7 (Kent variant) since it is now the dominant variant here in the U.K.
https://khub.net/documents/13593956...c-b255-8e88-c2dc-88979fc2cc1b?t=1614617945615
Not that it should matter since it’s good that we have access to both and more vaccines.
Jezbollah
point was that certain political figures in the EU/member states had slated it by calling it ineffective and not suitable in over 65s when it is and now the these people are having to back track because they have made it political and were stupid for doing so because they have got poor uptake in taking any available vaccine.
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CrapSandwich
former Navy SEAL
The spike started in October there, lockdown response started end of October, but cases didn't peak until around Dec. 24., with deaths trailing a bit behind that.
pel1300
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Rogan says his two kids had covid and it was "nothing to them" and calls covid "just a bad cold". Says he moved to Texas partly because of how there was so little fear of covid there. Whereas in Los Angeles it is still viewed as the black plague.
It was the same for me being in Indonesia from March through July, where there was almost no fear of the virus. Then being in Mexico the past 6 months where there is almost no fear.
Cyberpunkd
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France is still holding on, we ordered weekend lockdown in the south and the north, probably more regions will be announced tomorrow. Number of people in ICU is creeping up, but nothing crazy (also, people were losing their shit beginning of February screaming for the nationwide lockdown and nothing happened).
llien
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Single dose effect study in Israel, puts Biontech-Pfizer vaccine to 85% efficacy (published in Lancet, major medical journal), but that's not UK strain.
Some Covid-19 Vaccines Are Effective After One Dose, Can Be Stored in Normal Freezers, Data Show
In a win for global vaccination goals, the BioNTech-Pfizer Covid-19 vaccine is shown to generate a strong response with one dose and to maintain potency in standard freezers for two weeks.
www.wsj.com
However, both mRNA vaccines have been claimed to be highly effective specifically against UK variant:
Agreed.
I could go to a barber shop back in Oct, no longer later on.
Those "full lockdowns" were changing over time.
One thing that got introduced just in January, was MANDATORY switch to FP2 masks.
Anyhow, it didn't seem to work too well against UK strain (i.e even when infection rates were down, UK strain infection rates were up) and now it stalled even against "common" strain.
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THE:MILKMAN
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Just to add another promising interim report of real-world vaccine data for both the Pfizer and AZ vaccines in the oldest patients with co-morbidities: https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-...d-shots-reduces-hospitalisation-idUSKBN2AV14K
Both are looking very good.
Both are looking very good.
llien
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So as of 9th of Feb Israel has vaccinated 58% of which about half with two doses.
Yet even today, they are at 3.5k infections a day and two dozen deaths.
At the same time they've confirmed Pfizer-Biontech's efficacy figures.
WTF
Yet even today, they are at 3.5k infections a day and two dozen deaths.
At the same time they've confirmed Pfizer-Biontech's efficacy figures.
WTF
Jezbollah
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Got the text this afternoon. First vaccine jab for me is on a week Sunday.
Very surprised tbh - my sister who is 5 years older and has had a few health issues, and her husband who is a few years older than her havent had anything come through. They live in the same county yet under a different health authority.
Very surprised tbh - my sister who is 5 years older and has had a few health issues, and her husband who is a few years older than her havent had anything come through. They live in the same county yet under a different health authority.
DragoonKain
Neighbours from Hell
I get my vaccine tomorrow.
If each person that catches the virus, on average, manages to pass it on to at least one unvaccinated person (or even a vaccinated one in the percentage of cases where transmission isn't stopped), cases will remain flat. The problem is that rolling out a vaccine itself can change people's behaviour to make them less likely to restrict social contact. Then whatever you gain in reduced transmission as a result of the vaccine, gets used up to enable more personal freedom. If case numbers are low, that's actually fine I think.
llien
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Got confirmed case form Israel (friend's relative) of someone contracting the virus after 2 jabs.
Overall, no wonder, though, they said 94% and not 100% for a reason.
Perhaps it is time to compare, say, UK deaths per 1 million (worldofmeters as source):
1817
to Japan deaths per 1 million:
63
And make some conclusions? 123k died in UK, less than 8k in Japan, Japan is roughly 2 times bigger.
Overall, no wonder, though, they said 94% and not 100% for a reason.
Perhaps it is time to compare, say, UK deaths per 1 million (worldofmeters as source):
1817
to Japan deaths per 1 million:
63
And make some conclusions? 123k died in UK, less than 8k in Japan, Japan is roughly 2 times bigger.
bigsnack
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Covid-19 death rates 10 times higher in countries where most adults are overweight, report finds | CNN
The risk of death from Covid-19 is about 10 times higher in countries where more than half of the population is overweight, according to a report released Wednesday by the World Obesity Forum.
www.cnn.com
Vitamin D Insufficiency May Account for Almost Nine of Ten COVID-19 Deaths: Time to Act. Comment on: “Vitamin D Deficiency and Outcome of COVID-19 Patients”. Nutrients 2020, 12, 2757
Evidence from observational studies is accumulating, suggesting that the majority of deaths due to SARS-CoV-2 infections are statistically attributable to vitamin D insufficiency and could potentially be prevented by vitamin D supplementation [...]
www.mdpi.com
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Hulk_Smash
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What’s your conclusion?
llien
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That it is indeed possible to tackle the virus and number of deaths when that's not happening shows it's not a fake "panic".
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Hulk_Smash
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I’m sorry, but I’m still confused by your sentence. I’m not sure what the comparison between the UK and Japan is for.
llien
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Your link essentially says "ignore it, it's just another flu".
It isn't.
Hulk_Smash
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TrainedRage
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Got my second round of the Pfizer vaccine just now. I’m off to the bar, these blue balls gonna get some use now.... I have a feeling this COVID card is gonna be a bigger turn on than BBC!!!
CrapSandwich
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My goodness is that a misleading thing to say. They had a jump beyond expected mortality due to Covid, but the picture isn't actually that grim. Their overall death rate is still historically modest, despite that big jump from 2019 to 2020.
Your twitter link talks about mortality rates compared to previous 5 years, not number of deaths. I mean, 2012 (and pretty much every year before that was more deadly in Sweden when adjusting for population size).
And since Sweden had one of the lowest excess mortality rates in europe in 2020 I have no idea what point you are trying to make.
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In 2020 Sweden has had the highest excess mortality since 1918 aka Spanish Flu. How is this hard to understand?
I understand that perfectly, which you should probably have picked up from my post.
Your headline implied something else however and that was what I responded to.
No comments on the comparison to rest of Europe then?
CrapSandwich
former Navy SEAL
Their overall mortality rate was still quite low. Meaning that it's not the deadliest year since 1918. I don't think you understand words.
DragoonKain
Neighbours from Hell
Got my first dose yesterday of Pfizer. Only thing is sore arm. 2nd dose is supposed to be a little more severe with some mild chills maybe fever. Which I'm used to and have had before with other vaccines. If only I could fit that damn CDC card in my wallet. Will be handy for the foreseeable future, I'd imagine.
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ManaByte
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Disneyland will reopen April 1st with 15% capacity. Better than nothing.
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My headline didn‘t imply something else excess mortality = deadliness.
This is related to Covid so why would I give a fuck about the average agf of Sweden‘s population or the quality of their healthcare system. This is exactly why excess mortality is used as a key figure and not overall mortality. And for this relevant key figure s opposed to your irrelevant one it was the deadliest year since 1918.
ThatOneGrunt
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I got my second dose of the Pfizer vaccine a little over a week ago. Other than a sore arm, I had no other side effects. Felt great afterwards. Which is different than my experience with the first dose where I had a mild headache and nothing else.
My sister-in-law, however, had to take the day off of work after her second shot. It completely zapped the energy out of her. But she was perfectly fine the next day.
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