Mass Effect 3 Comic-Con Announcement: Canon Female Shepard Appearance Vote

From this and my DA2 thread I'm starting to see WRPG GAF as a black hole of despair, relieved only by the occasional creations of CD Projekt RED, and sometimes Bethesda.
 
This Vega character belongs in Gears of War, or Quake.

I hope there's an option to "not save him" in the story-line somewhere.

I can imagine that would be gratifying for a lot of Mass Effect fans.
 
RedSwirl said:
From this and my DA2 thread I'm starting to see WRPG GAF as a black hole of despair, relieved only by the occasional creations of CD Projekt RED, and sometimes Bethesda.

Didn't you see all the bitching in the Bethesda threads?
 
JohnnytheFuture said:
This Vega character belongs in Gears of War, or Quake.

I hope there's an option to "not save him" in the story-line somewhere.

I can imagine that would be gratifying for a lot of Mass Effect fans.

You could
kill off everyone in your party at the end
, technically. They haven't said anything on that with Mass Effect 3, but I don't see why they would take that away. Was an awesome concept.
 
RedSwirl said:
From this and my DA2 thread I'm starting to see WRPG GAF as a black hole of despair, relieved only by the occasional creations of CD Projekt RED, and sometimes Bethesda.

and Obsidian. They're pretty much the last big 3 remaining, and I'm sure you could find plenty of disdain for Bethesda. I'm personally fond of them still but I've seen plenty of complaints about cut content and streamlining.

Wrpg fans do not like streamlining.
 
Nemesis556 said:
Sometimes I feel like GAF just NEEDS to hate on something.
I don't want to hate on ME3. I would much rather have nothing bad to say about a game than sit around venting my frustration.

I loved ME1, and it's tied as my favorite game this generation.
The shift in design from ME1->ME2 and the continued trend I've witnessed in all of the media for ME3 so far is what gets me the most. The first game had such a strong visual presence, and it feels like that vision has become more muddied the further the series has progressed. ME1 felt like a great mix of retro scifi with some modern flare added, but it feels like the retro has been tossed out in favor of tepid, uninspired choices.

I'm not saying that everything is terrible now, because I think there was some really awesome stuff in ME2. It's just a shame that they took it in the direction of making it like everything else instead of pushing the other direction.
 
Typographenia said:
I don't want to hate on ME3. I would much rather have nothing bad to say about a game than sit around venting my frustration.

I loved ME1, and it's tied as my favorite game this generation.
The shift in design from ME1->ME2 and the continued trend I've witnessed in all of the media for ME3 so far is what gets me the most. The first game had such a strong visual presence, and it feels like that vision has become more muddied the further the series has progressed. ME1 felt like a great mix of retro scifi with some modern flare added, but it feels like the retro has been tossed out in favor of tepid, uninspired choices.

I'm not saying that everything is terrible now, because I think there was some really awesome stuff in ME2. It's just a shame that they took it in the direction of making it like everything else instead of pushing the other direction.

I thought the art direction in ME2 for the most part was absolutely spectacular. The Reaper IFF, Omega, the Collector Ship, and some of the side missions were extremely gorgeous.
 
Gravijah said:
GAF is individuals, man. The people who liked MGS4 before generally still like it now.

No, it's easier to effortlessly reject criticism by making broad generalizations. Let's just talk about how awesome they look instead!


Jarmel said:
I thought the art direction in ME2 for the most part was absolutely spectacular. The Reaper IFF, Omega, the Collector Ship, and some of the side missions were extremely gorgeous.

ME2 did have some beautiful environments, Illium was probably my favorite destination, but it did lose some of the unique flair that ME1 had. I think the underwhelming soundtrack in 2 played a bit part in that.
 
Typographenia said:
I don't want to hate on ME3. I would much rather have nothing bad to say about a game than sit around venting my frustration.

I loved ME1, and it's tied as my favorite game this generation.
The shift in design from ME1->ME2 and the continued trend I've witnessed in all of the media for ME3 so far is what gets me the most. The first game had such a strong visual presence, and it feels like that vision has become more muddied the further the series has progressed. ME1 felt like a great mix of retro scifi with some modern flare added, but it feels like the retro has been tossed out in favor of tepid, uninspired choices.

I'm not saying that everything is terrible now, because I think there was some really awesome stuff in ME2. It's just a shame that they took it in the direction of making it like everything else instead of pushing the other direction.


Maybe its just me but I thought the art design between both games was pretty consistent. I'm not that thrilled about Vega either, not because he's a dudebro ( I don't pay them any mind) but he doesn't look that interesting or that he adds anything to the group. Say what you will about the characters in both games, but I thought they were pretty varied and not a lot of overlap. Adding Vega means you're taking out someone who is probably more interesting....even Jacob.
 
Nobody here wants ME3 to fail. I think it bears mentioning that people here who are "bitching" are the ones who have invested the most in the franchise.

btw, Bethesda makes awesome games. Just not RPGs.
 
Get us to focus on something as trivial as some last minute addition to the team who looks like he's straight out of Killzone?

This reeks of when we'd throw something awful into a product so that the client could feel they were making strong decisions by making us cut something out. We'd hum and haw and talk about how it would be difficult at this stage to make changes, but in the end everyone won. If you don't lob people a softball once in a while, they focus on the stuff that's actually horribly broken without a hope of fixing.

"Hey everybody! Focus on the DUDEBRO!!!! Look at our new DUDEBRO!!!!" Not only is it a terrific red herring, the DUDEBRO crowd will actually eat it up and defend it!

Hey BioWare, I'm RENTING ME3. From the LIBRARY. If it is any good, which I'm really suspecting it will not be, I will reward you with a purchase when the game's price drops to something I feel it is worth. From the looks of what I've seen? I'm guessing $20.

If it becomes a shadow of its former potential glory, then I will not purchase it, my flat-rate library fee ends up providing me more value for the money, and vultures like EB Games will never see a dime.

And most importantly, perhaps you will get the message.
 
Peter.Simpson909 said:
Get us to focus on something as trivial as some last minute addition to the team who looks like he's straight out of Killzone?

This reeks of when we'd throw something awful into a product so that the client could feel they were making strong decisions by making us cut something out. We'd hum and haw and talk about how it would be difficult at this stage to make changes, but in the end everyone won. If you don't lob people a softball once in a while, they focus on the stuff that's actually horribly broken without a hope of fixing.

"Hey everybody! Focus on the DUDEBRO!!!! Look at our new DUDEBRO!!!!" Not only is it a terrific red herring, the DUDEBRO crowd will actually eat it up and defend it!

Hey BioWare, I'm RENTING ME3. From the LIBRARY. If it is any good, which I'm really suspecting it will not be, I will reward you with a purchase when the game's price drops to something I feel it is worth. From the looks of what I've seen? I'm guessing $20.

If it becomes a shadow of its former potential glory, then I will not purchase it, my flat-rate library fee ends up providing me more value for the money, and vultures like EB Games will never see a dime.

And most importantly, perhaps you will get the message.
/signed
 
Hasphat'sAnts said:
Nobody here wants ME3 to fail. I think it bears mentioning that people here who are "bitching" are the ones who have invested the most in the franchise.

btw, Bethesda makes awesome games. Just not RPGs.

Eh, there are some here that a bitter that ME wasn't Baldur's Gate or Deus Ex in space and they don't see Vega as just a lame character, they see it as the the plague like "consolization" that gave their beloved WRPG (i.e. PC RPG) away to the unwashed masses, only ME was never going to be that game anyway.

and others didn't like where the story went from ME1 to ME2 and can't see how they're going to wrap it all up in one more game without it all becoming a muddied convoluted (or worse vapid and infantile) mess. This is a fair concern.
 
Hasphat'sAnts said:
Nobody here wants ME3 to fail. I think it bears mentioning that people here who are "bitching" are the ones who have invested the most in the franchise.

love you

This is pretty much it. If I didn't give a shit, I wouldn't even post in the first place. I'm a fan of the series (and Bioware, until recently) so I don't to see it devolve into something shitty. Despite of all it's issues, I thought ME2 was a damn good game but I don't want to see Bioware go any further down that road with the series.
 
Typographenia said:
I think that's probably why I enjoyed her so much in the first game. (I know, I know- double standard) She's not memorable like Miranda because of her sex appeal, she had a controversial personality and belief structure unlike the other characters. Who she was became more important that her looks. Not that you aren't aware of it, but it was great having a lead female character that felt like she had a reason to be there beyond "look at my junk!"
Yes, Ashley's default armor was really awesome looking. Fortunately the game was easy enough that I kept her in it all the time!
 
Hasphat'sAnts said:
Nobody here wants ME3 to fail. I think it bears mentioning that people here who are "bitching" are the ones who have invested the most in the franchise.

btw, Bethesda makes awesome games. Just not RPGs.
Actually I think you're wrong to a degree. Some posters are so disinclined to admit when they're wrong that they'll bend realityto justify their negative opinion and shut out all evidence to the contrary.
 
Is that Samara or liara on the right? I haven't been following me3 since I just finished the second last night.

Anyway I can understand the need to redesign characters. A lot of the human models animated poorly especially faces in the second game. The problem with those in the picture is that they look generic, uninspired and boring.
 
big_z said:
Is that Samara or liara on the right? I haven't been following me3 since I just finished the second last night.

Liara.

I don't think anyone grew too attached to Samara, so I doubt she'll have much of a role in ME3.
 
Snuggler said:
Liara.

I don't think anyone grew too attached to Samara, so I doubt she'll have much of a role in ME3.

I wish you could have
killed her and gotten her crazy daughter to join you.
 
Wait, you actually can? And
she caries over to ME3?

Son of a bitch I figured she would have tricked me if I asked her to join.
 
MrMephistoX said:
Actually I think you're wrong to a degree. Some posters are so disinclined to admit when they're wrong that they'll bend realityto justify their negative opinion and shut out all evidence to the contrary.

Yeah well those people are just miserable. Less said about them the better.
 
Snuggler said:
Liara.

I don't think anyone grew too attached to Samara, so I doubt she'll have much of a role in ME3.
Samara was as a character was pretty average but her loyalty mission was one of the best in the game.
 
Snuggler said:
Liara.

I don't think anyone grew too attached to Samara, so I doubt she'll have much of a role in ME3.
Yeah I didn't like Samara either but kinda figured liara might be out of the third considering the events in the second. It's a shame they gave liara the awful Samara outfit.
 
RedSwirl said:
From this and my DA2 thread I'm starting to see WRPG GAF as a black hole of despair, relieved only by the occasional creations of CD Projekt RED, and sometimes Bethesda.
Starting? When we cling to games as janky as Risen and Alpha Protocol as recent genre highlights, you know things have been pretty terrible for a while.
 
Gravijah said:
Wait, you actually can? And
she caries over to ME3?

Son of a bitch I figured she would have tricked me if I asked her to join.

she's even a romance option!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isARefv1Nvo


MrMephistoX said:
Samara was as a character was pretty average but her loyalty mission was one of the best in the game.

Yeah, that mission was cool, and I liked that it had no combat. I think that's when the infamous Shepard dance scene happens.
 
edgefusion said:
My male Shep would happily bone both of those men and if he's happy, I am happy.

Judging you right now. I can understand with Kaidan. But who wants to sleep with that male ape called...what was it? Vega?
 
Mass Effect 1 was a game that was fantastic in concept, but somewhat mediocre in execution.
Mass Effect 2 was a game that was much better in execution, but didn't capitalize nearly enough on the setup of the first game.
Mass Effect 3 so far still doesn't look like its going to turn into what many of us fans wanted to be the evolution of the first game.
 
Peter.Simpson909 said:
Get us to focus on something as trivial as some last minute addition to the team who looks like he's straight out of Killzone?

This reeks of when we'd throw something awful into a product so that the client could feel they were making strong decisions by making us cut something out. We'd hum and haw and talk about how it would be difficult at this stage to make changes, but in the end everyone won. If you don't lob people a softball once in a while, they focus on the stuff that's actually horribly broken without a hope of fixing.

"Hey everybody! Focus on the DUDEBRO!!!! Look at our new DUDEBRO!!!!" Not only is it a terrific red herring, the DUDEBRO crowd will actually eat it up and defend it!

Hey BioWare, I'm RENTING ME3. From the LIBRARY. If it is any good, which I'm really suspecting it will not be, I will reward you with a purchase when the game's price drops to something I feel it is worth. From the looks of what I've seen? I'm guessing $20.

If it becomes a shadow of its former potential glory, then I will not purchase it, my flat-rate library fee ends up providing me more value for the money, and vultures like EB Games will never see a dime.

And most importantly, perhaps you will get the message.

If it becomes a shadow of something i wanted it to be but never was I wont buy it? Good Lord, what happened to just playing a game for what it is instead of judging it on what you want it to be.

Mass Effect was never going to be the spiritual successor to KOTOR once you come back from fantasy land and realize that, you will have a much better time with the game.
 
Gravijah said:
Also, the parents who named their kid Goofus are total douchebags.
But Goofus is clearly a type A that doesn't take shit and gets things done, like most successful businessmen.
 
Sickboy007 said:
Is James Vega (the third Vega bro) this guy?

Mass-effect-3-james-vega-image.jpg

I'd rather see him than that Vega.
 
Ashley is the only thing in the image in the OP that I sort of like, and that's the nicest thing I can honestly say about it since I'm not pleased how much her redesign resembles Miranda. A huge thumbs down for the meathead. Between him and Kaiden, the generic dudebro quotient is enough for the whole trilogy. Can't Wrex just rejoin Shep's crew and kill them both?

I've long thought Bioware made a huge misstep by splitting up ME1's team in ME2. Players should have been allowed to choose who stayed with Shep and who went off to do their own thing. That way the story could advance and everyone could keep their favorite teammates. For character-specific missions, in the event the needful crew member was dismissed, he or she could have shown up as a guest.

I feel like the ME series if drifting ever further from the things that made the original game so appealing to me. The cast (hampered only by Kaiden), the weapon mod system and RPG elements (well implemented except for the inventory), and the exploration (marred slightly by repetitive design) were memorable and fun. Yes, there were flaws, but instead of correcting them and building on the best aspects of the first game, Bioware flayed it alive, trashed the meat, and sloppily stitched the hide onto a lesser beast.
 
Nemesis556 said:
Sometimes I feel like GAF just NEEDS to hate on something.

Or love something and then hate it a few months down the track (MGS4).

I do agree that Vega does not look like an endearing character at all, but we know nothing besides the artwork that they've just shown anyway.

He'll be good beef for FemShep to play around with, I guess. OR MAYBE EVEN GAY GAF can get some of that action!

Honestly, I think a big factor that should come into play is time. I absolutely loved MGS4 the first time through. I thought it was one of the best games I ever played and I replayed it at least 4 times in the first few weeks. Over time, I starting thinking back at the game based on more recent experiences. Why is it acceptable that it has 3-10 minute installs every time I want to replay the game? Is having 30 minute cutscenes in the middle of the game a better choice than a more tempered approach ala Uncharted 2? Is the story to bizarre? My opinion of the game did a complete 180 with the passage of time after the initial high from the hype ran out.

The exact same thing happened with ME2 for me. I loved the game to death on my first playthrough and it wasn't until the final boss that I started reanalyzing the game as a whole. It is a good game IMO, but one that took numerous missteps in areas that mattered to me which managed to tarnish the whole experience. Despite replaying ME1 more times than I can remember, knowing and acknowledging the flaws of the game, and enjoying the hell out of it, I have never changed my opinion.

While it may be true for some, I don't think most GAFers just want to have a whipping boy for the hell of it. Opinions change over time especially with the hyper critical perspective that the collective of Neogaf fosters.
 
Looking back at some trailers for the original Mass Effect... the direction has changed quite a bit on all fronts it seems. Still looking forward to playing it, but the excitement I had compared to the original is pretty low.
 
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