Mass Effect 3 review thread

I just wanted to chime in and say that the game gets a lot better once you leave the first location. Obviously, I can't really support any of the hyperbole out there yet, but I am pleasantly surprised so far.

Also, the textures are just as bad for me as in the demo on Pc, which I hated so infinitely much. What a terrible demo.
 
Dany M said:
Nice reviews.

I posted this in the GB thread but Jeff's review is weird, he doesn't really say why it isn't as good as ME2 clearly
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I think Jeff's video game criticism is starting to shift to where Movie criticism has gone (and rightfully so). Having a game be just as good as it's predecessor isn't enough anymore. When there's so many competent games these days, it has to be a game that does something new and fresh that gets lauded. Unfortunately I don't think his score reflects that because I think it reads like a 3/5 instead of a 4/5.

I am sympathetic towards his conundrum on how to score it. I had similar dilemmas when reviewing Assassin's Creed Revelations and Uncharted 3. They were great games on their own but were just more of the same albeit a little more refined.

And yes, all of this has come about by the extended generation. Usually we'd have new consoles by now with new graphics and new IPs and better AI so we wouldn't even be thinking about whether being more of the same or a little bit better is good enough anymore.
 
Uhh... did anyone else feel like the score for Gametrailers not match with what they said. I thought they were going to give it like an 8 throughout the entire thing. At the end it said 9.5. The heck?
 
kayos90 said:
Uhh... did anyone else feel like the score for Gametrailers not match with what they said. I thought they were going to give it like an 8 throughout the entire thing. At the end it said 9.5. The heck?
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The reviewer really liked the game. I didn't have a hard time discerning that.
 
EatChildren said:
Which is why, as I said, a good review weights an opinion with a critical argument. But no matter how objective that argument is, the opinion still stands.

I can say that Donkey Kong Country Returns has excellent, creative level design. I can weight this argument by stating the objective fact that nearly every, if not every, stage in the entire game introduces a new mechanic, and/or remixes an old one, in order to keep the stage design fresh and inventive throughout the experience.

The statement is factual, but my personal enjoyment is not. Someone may agree with the introduction of new mechanics with each stage, but for their own reasons not enjoy these mechanics specifically. It is then their job to back-up why they don't with critical analysis.

At the end of the day, neither of us is right or wrong. We both agreed on a point, but left with different experiences due to the wonder of subjectivity.
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A statement is not excluded to be either factually right or wrong. It is also able to be valid and/or sound. Validity and soundness make one able to differentiate between the epistemic value of two statements. What you are suggesting is basically relativism (e.g. all statements have the same epistemic value).
 
Lime said:
A statement does not have to be right or wrong. It is also able to be valid and/or sound. Validity and soundness make one able to differentiate between the epistemic value of two statements. What you are suggesting is basically relativism (e.g. all statements have the same epistemic value).
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None of this conflicts with what I'm suggesting in the slightest, nor with my example.
 
x-Lundz-x said:
Typical EDGE, lets be different so people will talk about us.


Average = 95%
EDGE = 80%.

Typical EDGE bullshit with every game review.
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I don't know why everyone is surprised. This is the kind of post I expect someone with a username bookended in Xs to make.
 
Ken Masters said:
He's played the demo, didn't like the game, but high review scores are making him rethink his stance on the game and is willing to be persuaded to change his mind


Folks, this is the power of video game review scores and why publishers make sure they secure those 9's
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I don't see whats wrong with me being open to the fact that the game might be better than the first impressions. It's not like I'm saying "look at all those 9's it must be good" I'm saying "look at all those 9's it might be worth it to dig deeper." And I'm also curious what publishers are doing to "secure" scores from all these sites. Are all the sites really completely under the thumb of Bioware?
 
Edge is a JOKE. They do not adhere to pretty much industry standards for reviews.

And I'm sorry, 80% is not great. If you are in school and you get an 80% on your test is that GREAT, no it's barely above average. They need to review games properly on a 10 point scale not the other way around.

So, you guys say an 8 from Edge is amazing right? So what is a 10, like a 15/10 from IGN or GTTV? I mean seriously how does that math work?

Also, just look at there past history, and I'll give you a perfect example from something recent.
Neverdead = a POS. Anyone who has played it knows this. (Yes I played it, fucking horrible).
Average is barely above 50%, what it deserves if even that.
Edge = 7.

You re telling me ME3 is one point better than that piece of shit according to them?

Yeah, they really know what they are doing over there.
 
x-Lundz-x said:
Edge is a JOKE. They do not adhere to pretty much industry standards for reviews.

And I'm sorry, 80% is not great. If you are in school and you get an 80% on your test is that GREAT, no it's barely above average. They need to review games properly on a 10 point scale not the other way around.

So, you guys say an 8 from Edge is amazing right? So what is a 10, like a 15/10 from IGN or GTTV? I mean seriously how does that math work?

Also, just look at there past history, and I'll give you a perfect example from something recent.
Neverdead = a POS. Anyone who has played it knows this. (Yes I played it, fucking horrible).
Average is barely above 50%, what it deserves if even that.
Edge = 7.

You re telling me ME3 is one point better than that piece of shit according to them?

Yeah, they really know what they are doing over there.
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Such a sad post.
 
x-Lundz-x said:
Typical EDGE, lets be different so people will talk about us.


Average = 95%
EDGE = 80%.

Typical EDGE bullshit with every game review.
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Did you actually read the review? They praised it pretty highly...

Also - why are you so angry?

I know im going to enjoy the hell out of this game, regardless of what they said.

For the record, Edge gave ME1 a 7, ME2 a 9 and now this one an 8. Theyre not exactly bad scores.
 
x-Lundz-x said:
Edge is a JOKE. They do not adhere to pretty much industry standards for reviews.

And I'm sorry, 80% is not great. If you are in school and you get an 80% on your test is that GREAT, no it's barely above average. They need to review games properly on a 10 point scale not the other way around.

So, you guys say an 8 from Edge is amazing right? So what is a 10, like a 15/10 from IGN or GTTV? I mean seriously how does that math work?

Also, just look at there past history, and I'll give you a perfect example from something recent.
Neverdead = a POS. Anyone who has played it knows this. (Yes I played it, fucking horrible).
Average is barely above 50%, what it deserves if even that.
Edge = 7.

You re telling me ME3 is one point better than that piece of shit according to them?

Yeah, they really know what they are doing over there.
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mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm it's so good
 
x-Lundz-x said:
Edge is a JOKE. They do not adhere to pretty much industry standards for reviews.

And I'm sorry, 80% is not great. If you are in school and you get an 80% on your test is that GREAT, no it's barely above average. They need to review games properly on a 10 point scale not the other way around.

So, you guys say an 8 from Edge is amazing right? So what is a 10, like a 15/10 from IGN or GTTV? I mean seriously how does that math work?

Also, just look at there past history, and I'll give you a perfect example from something recent.
Neverdead = a POS. Anyone who has played it knows this. (Yes I played it, fucking horrible).
Average is barely above 50%, what it deserves if even that.
Edge = 7.

You re telling me ME3 is one point better than that piece of shit according to them?

Yeah, they really know what they are doing over there.
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Being in the top 20% is barely above average? What world do you live in?

Dont worry so much about the score, actually read what they wrote and decide for yourself.
 
x-Lundz-x said:
Edge is a JOKE. They do not adhere to pretty much industry standards for reviews.

And I'm sorry, 80% is not great. If you are in school and you get an 80% on your test is that GREAT, no it's barely above average. They need to review games properly on a 10 point scale not the other way around.

So, you guys say an 8 from Edge is amazing right? So what is a 10, like a 15/10 from IGN or GTTV? I mean seriously how does that math work?

Also, just look at there past history, and I'll give you a perfect example from something recent.
Neverdead = a POS. Anyone who has played it knows this. (Yes I played it, fucking horrible).
Average is barely above 50%, what it deserves if even that.
Edge = 7.

You re telling me ME3 is one point better than that piece of shit according to them?

Yeah, they really know what they are doing over there.
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I'm quite confident in my assertion that you are the problem.
 
x-Lundz-x said:
Edge is a JOKE. They do not adhere to pretty much industry standards for reviews.
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Yes, how dare those review-mavericks not rate our favorite games with the high score review mob mentality everyone else does?

Not saying EDGE isn't shit, but the 'standards' of the game journalism industry is the last thing that should be adhered to.
 
review score to school grade analogy is pretty damn broken, as getting sub 50% on any test is a failure, while games can't technically fail.
 
Edge is a JOKE. They do not adhere to pretty much industry standards for reviews.
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That's my favourite one. Like...are you supposed to check with all other reviewers before you post your score online?

A review is one man/one group's opinions on a game. That is all.
 
EatChildren said:
None of this conflicts with what I'm suggesting in the slightest, nor with my example.
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You didn't provide a positive on what your example entailed, which is why your original post comes across as an argument for "due the fact that our mental experiences are subjective, it is impossible to say one statement is relatively more true than the other", i.e. the problem of equal validity.
 
x-Lundz-x said:
Edge is a JOKE. They do not adhere to pretty much industry standards for reviews.

And I'm sorry, 80% is not great. If you are in school and you get an 80% on your test is that GREAT, no it's barely above average. They need to review games properly on a 10 point scale not the other way around.

So, you guys say an 8 from Edge is amazing right? So what is a 10, like a 15/10 from IGN or GTTV? I mean seriously how does that math work?

Also, just look at there past history, and I'll give you a perfect example from something recent.
Neverdead = a POS. Anyone who has played it knows this. (Yes I played it, fucking horrible).
Average is barely above 50%, what it deserves if even that.
Edge = 7.

You re telling me ME3 is one point better than that piece of shit according to them?

Yeah, they really know what they are doing over there.
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Maybe when you finish high school, you'll realize that not every 100-point grading system is based on the school system. Also, did the person who reviewed Mass Effect 3 also review Neverdead? Did you stop to think that different reviewers have different standards? Edge is not a single entity with one opinion on what is good and what isn't. It's a group comprised of people with different experiences, standards and tastes. A 7 for Edgeman Davis could be a 4 for Edgebro Philips.
 
Can we get back on track, please.
 
x-Lundz-x said:
Edge is a JOKE. They do not adhere to pretty much industry standards for reviews.

And I'm sorry, 80% is not great. If you are in school and you get an 80% on your test is that GREAT, no it's barely above average.
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Confirms to me you've never been to school... in University standards, 75% constitutes the second highest grade you can get.
 
Lime said:
You didn't provide a positive on what your example entailed, which is why your original post comes across as an argument for "due the fact that our mental experiences are subjective, it is impossible to say one statement is relatively more true than the other", i.e. the problem of equal validity.
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With discussing value of fun in entertainment it is impossible for one statement to be more true than another, unless it is discussing the functions and existence of objective elements. Epistemic value of arguments is essential, but I'm not going to pretend there isn't a dash of relativity when discussing entertainment.

mescalineeyes said:
I don't understand. People are discussing EDGE's review score... how is that off-topic? :/
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SafeinSound said:
What track would that be? How people agree with a review score for a game they haven't even played yet?
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You are welcome to discuss the review. But I'd prefer not to deal with "80% isn't a good score it's bullshit" nonsense.
 
EatChildren said:
With discussing value of fun in entertainment it is impossible for one statement to be more true than another, unless it is discussing the functions and existence of objective elements. Epistemic value of arguments is essential, but I'm not going to pretend there isn't a dash of relativity when discussing entertainment.
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whoa deep
 
LegoArmo said:
So this game hasn't got below an 8 anywhere yet?
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"Zklamání pokračování Dragon Age 2. Ani soubor ve stejném vesmíru. 4/10"

- EatChildrenNET.cz
 
I don't want to be a dick about reviews, but reading some of the quotes from the reviews...no human being with a positive IQ number could think those things about this game unless paid to do so. Right alongside Ocarina of Time and Halo? Seriously? Someone actually believed that and then wrote that?

No.

Good on Giant Bomb and Edge for not being completely worthless. (to me)
 
Ventilaator said:
I don't want to be a dick about reviews, but reading some of the quotes from the reviews...no human being with a positive IQ number could think those things about this game unless paid to do so. Right alongside Ocarina of Time and Halo? Seriously? Someone actually believed that and then wrote that?

No.

Good on Giant Bomb and Edge for not being completely worthless.
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No one in the video game business is paid for reviews.
 
Dany M said:
No one in the video game business is paid for reviews.
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Well... they get paid to write reviews, but not by the companies, by their own outlet.

Also to the guy above, some people don't even like Ocarina and Halo. I know that's hard to believe, but it's called an opinion. And just because you swear blind those people don't believe those things about Mass Effect 3, doesn't make it less true, one iota.
 
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