bigdaddygamebot
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You mean, characters interacting with one another yes and not that Bioware's dialog is on the same level as Naughty Dog's yes?
That would be like comparing...well...me to the Coen brothers.
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Mass Effect 3 Spoiler Thread |OT2| Taste the Rainbow
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You mean, characters interacting with one another yes and not that Bioware's dialog is on the same level as Naughty Dog's yes?
That would be like comparing...well...me to the Coen brothers.
BigTnaples
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How did you play the Mass Effect games and still have no concept of space or the structure of the universe?
Photolysis
Banned
A thousand times this.
I can respect them wanting to move on to bigger, better, and newer things. I don't blame them for that in the slightest. But you don't need to crash a franchise into the ground just because you don't want to work on it any more.
If I were only allowed to give just one reason on why I hate the ending it would be because it destroys what made the ME universe such a great place. I could live with an ambiguous ending where it's left to the player to decide what happens next, like that fan edit where Shepard and Anderson stare out into space as the fade to black hits. I could even live with an ending where the entire attacking fleet is wiped out, and Earth destroyed but it's still a victory. This wouldn't be what I prefer, but I could still accept it because at the end of the day it would still feel like it was worth it.
It's analogous to not being able to use the warp drive in Star Trek. It robs the series of the wonder, exploration, and scale that was the backdrop to the story. It turns it into a smaller and uninteresting place, and kills the magic of the setting. Ultimately, any victory feels so hollow - even forgetting all the starvation, war and chaos that would surely follow if you analyse it for a second - that it's just not worth bothering with.
riceandbeans
Member
I don't understand your snark. From what I understood from the ending, it seemed they can't travel outside the galaxy or possibly even into space at all. How is that so hard to understand?
BigTnaples
Todd Howard's Secret GAF Account
Again.
riceandbeans
Member
So then explain it if I'm wrong then.
Am I mixing up the concepts of galaxies and solar systems?
BigTnaples
Todd Howard's Secret GAF Account
riceandbeans
Member
Mmkay, that was informative. Galaxy wasn't the right word but either way. Destroy the Reapers and space travel is fucked.
bigdaddygamebot
Member
The reapers have nothing to do with space travel.
It's all about the relays. Space travel can still be done...the relays just let it be done faster (if not instantaneously)
LightofRohan
Member
damn. That's a lot of smart people... BELIEVE!
Typographenia
Member
Just got around to watching the Indoctrination video.
Eh, it's an interesting idea. About half of the video seems like legit stuff, and the other half is taken so far out of context that it doesn't matter. I'd probably prefer it to what actually happened, but that just means that I never got an ending in my game. I'm not sure which is worse.
Eh, it's an interesting idea. About half of the video seems like legit stuff, and the other half is taken so far out of context that it doesn't matter. I'd probably prefer it to what actually happened, but that just means that I never got an ending in my game. I'm not sure which is worse.
Faster is relative. Obviously the Galaxy Map doesn't scale, but relays were needed to travel between star systems (intragalactic travel) and traveling between galaxies themselves was not possible (intergalactic/dark space). If a game were to take place after the events of ME3 and the relays were not there, the game would have to be relegated to a more local setting e.g. a single solar system. Of course, this is fiction -- sci-fi, at that -- so who gives a shit.
Zomba13
Member
It's not so much fucked as it is a lot harder. With the relays you could get from one end of the galaxy to the other in next to no time at all. At the end of ME3 they can still travel but only with FTL which would take them years to perform the same trip (not to mention take a shit load of fuel etc).
I will laugh over your lifeless body when Bioware announces the "Take back Omega" DLC. I will cackle with morbid glee, feeding off your despair of seeing your hopes shattered.
heliosRAzi
Banned
And static discharge.
And so no one thinks I am too nitpicky about it, it is in the codex.
Typographenia
Member
I left my codex in the Horse Head Nebula, so I'll trust you. This time...
Kung Fu Jedi
Member
Why would the destruction of the Reapers prevent space travel altogether? Sure they lose the ability to use the Relays but that just allows ships to warp across the galaxy at very high speeds. But it's not like not having them grounds all spaceships. They'll still be able to travel through space albeit not across great distances.
JimtotheHum
Member
I know the game is supposed to boot you back to right before the point of no return after you beat it, but did anyone else just get a blank screen after the pop-up saying you beat the game. I press X and nothing happens.
Someone at BSN found an old copy of Game Informer that dealt with ME3 (May 2011 #217): http://social.bioware.com/forum/Mas...e-Mass-Effect-3-Game-Informer-10927975-1.html
heliosRAzi
Banned
Hey, I'm always trustworthy sometimes
Why wasn't terrible writing mentioned in the first game? When it's introduced in the last few minutes of the game, it comes off as a deus ex machina. I wanted to shoot terrible writing in the head.
My God. These quotes are absolutely golden.
GAF, at least according to the poll here, is a lot less credulous than the general public.
Only 17 people think it's true.
ColonelColon
Member
It's a little late for that.
Psychoward
Banned
I still have that issue. :/
This hurts. so badly. ;(
casey hudson approaching molyneux levels of game PR
HadesGigas
Member
I'd prefer to see it "happy" in a way that the things you did in ME3 actually get to develop and happen. There'd still be near-ruined planets to rebuild and millions/billions dead.
But you know, krogan developing a society again, quarians/geth working together to rebuild Rannoch, everyone pitching in to help out on Earth and Palavan, etc...
Bittersweet endings are hard to do. I would feel "safer" with a positive ending. Less chances of Bioware messing it up.
This hurts me.
Haunted
Member
Looks like they had some good ideas for this game.
This is kind of a "duh" to me. Of course people would want a happy ending. This doesn't explain why they are unhappy with it though.
It's the other way around. Sample size is plenty large; how it was acquired is the issue. The sample is non-random; therefore, it is not "indicative of most people." But that doesn't necessarily mean it's wrong. I'd say, among those who are fans of the series, the response is overwhelming negative. The rest -- the non-vocal majority -- are apathetic or wholly incapable of stringing together an articulate evaluation.
I actually want Shepard to be able to live, but just because I think at this point Bioware has gone to the "Shepard Dies" well enough times.
They managed that just fine on Tuchanka.
"Had to be me. Someone else might have gotten it wrong." /sniff
CharmingCharlie
Member
I am actually starting to wonder if there is a single statement from Casey Hudson with regard to ME 3 that was not complete and utter bullshit. I think in the future if good ole Casey is involved in any game I am interested in I will take the "what ever he says the exact opposite will happen" approach.
Hahahaha You can't make this shit up.
Ah... the "Molyneux Method"
PinkCrayon
Member
This hurts me.
EmCeeGramr
Member
I totally remember the "Reaper off button" statement and thinking, "Man, they must be reading ME3 speculation threads on GAF."
I don't think he *lied* at that time since the article is like 1 year old. What I do think is that at this point he had no idea on how it was going to end. Then Walters came with his high level writing idea, and well we know how that went.
I appreciate how mean that last sentence is.
HadesGigas
Member
Hey, there's no reaper off button. It's a reaper off tube. Totally different thing.
Kung Fu Jedi
Member
I'm a-okay with a less than happy ending. The way this story was set-up and considering how many people had already died along the way, I didn't think there was a neat way to tie things up and make things "happy."
In fact, I love an epic story that ends with things not being necessarily tied up in a neat bow. In an earlier post I mentioned the Hyperion books, which did a fantastic job of creating a world then really shaking it up at the end. A good writer/storyteller can create a fantastic ending that is satisfying on multiple levels without resorting to cheesy Hollywood endings or cliches. BioWare had the opportunity to really deliver an emotional hit with the ending, but they managed to drop the ball in so many ways.
It really does make you wonder what the hell they were thinking when they came up with this. As a writer myself, I wouldn't want to end a story in such an unfulfilling way.
In fact, I love an epic story that ends with things not being necessarily tied up in a neat bow. In an earlier post I mentioned the Hyperion books, which did a fantastic job of creating a world then really shaking it up at the end. A good writer/storyteller can create a fantastic ending that is satisfying on multiple levels without resorting to cheesy Hollywood endings or cliches. BioWare had the opportunity to really deliver an emotional hit with the ending, but they managed to drop the ball in so many ways.
It really does make you wonder what the hell they were thinking when they came up with this. As a writer myself, I wouldn't want to end a story in such an unfulfilling way.
God, reading through that Hudson thread is hilarious. So many crushed souls, a player/developer trust utterly shattered. It's like a child learning there is no Santa Claus. How about some of these quotes from GI and Xbox World around the same time:
Casey Hudson said:
Casey Hudson said:
Casey Hudson said: