People don't park like that, and there would be more variance in the shells seen.
Thankfully, it looks like that was a commercial building.
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Massive explosion in Tianjin, China (Update: at least 44 dead, 500+ injured)
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Thankfully, it looks like that was a commercial building.
SwiftDeath
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I think it's fair to mention Halifax simply because the events that led to it sound similar [Large explosion in and or around the port of a city] however the explosion size is indeed vastly different so damage should be notably less both to people and to property
maquiladora
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They were new cars at a business site 300m from the blast, burned by the fireball.
This apartment block is 1km away.
This apartment block is 1km away.
maabus1999
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There will be lots of incorrect info for next few days; however that blast was more than 21 tons.
PrivateWHudson
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They're all VW's.
This is horrible. Hopefully the death tolls will be low. Luckily this didn't happen during the day. Would image the numbers to have been a lot higher.
There should be better protection on the storage of these kinds of chemicals and oil. And how close they can be stored. These accidents seems to happen too often these days.
There should be better protection on the storage of these kinds of chemicals and oil. And how close they can be stored. These accidents seems to happen too often these days.
They were new cars at a business site 300m from the blast, burned by the fireball.
This apartment block is 1km away.
That doesn't look so bad.
Valkerionseven
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It is. The details on the area have been its a major spot for creation of cars and planes among other things. Thankfully this was not during work hours so families will be at a minimum compared to if this was middle of the day.
Curry-Hakase
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They were new cars at a business site 300m from the blast, burned by the fireball.
This apartment block is 1km away.
This gives me a lot more hope.
What's the twitter account that's posting these?
Indeed, I think a lot of people are fear mongering at the moment.
Best to wait a day for more facts.
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God damn..
UnluckyKate
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Friend is working on a tanker and he's anchored in Tianjin right now.
He just posted on facebook :
We all guessed safety and china aren't synonyms
He just posted on facebook :
We all guessed safety and china aren't synonyms
TapeDispenser1000
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shockwaves are no joke
If the seismic reports are accurate, this explosion was no where near as big as the one in Halifax. Like, less than 1% of the size.
Look, this was a huge and terrible explosion on the outskirts of a large city. It's likely that at least hundreds of people were killed. Isn't that "exciting" enough for you already? Is it really necessary to grossly exaggerate the force of the blast? Is it ghoulishness, or just ignorance?
TVexperto
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yeah i saw a documentary once that you can die a long time after shockwave because of internal bleedings and how the shockwave moves your inner organs around. everybody should go check a doctor even if they were kilometers away from the scene.
Dude calm down. We're past this.
PeakPointMatrix
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Is this really the fucking time or place for this kind of garbage? Get the fuck out of here with this shit, there are possibly thousands dead ffs.
No they're all the same type of car.
shaowebb
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They were new cars at a business site 300m from the blast, burned by the fireball.
This apartment block is 1km away.
Thats a building a kilometer away...that is pretty damned impressive for something after that far. Belive me that is bad to still be seeing stuff. The devastation closer to the epicenter has to be insane.
UnluckyKate
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but it was a dock so beside security operators, firefighters, there should not be much casualties. Most civilian casualties will come form the shockwave or the glass shatterred. Residential zone should be at least half a kilometer away from any sort of docks and dangerous holds. After that, if there is serious air pollution, I fear for everybody in the city
That's true but the place is said to be used for building things. Hopefully that means there are no apartments within 1 km.
Holy shit that second explosion. The definition of small explosion and blaze to a fucking mini nuke going off
The city must be in chaos. Hopefully due to early hours to death toll is low and not as bad as it could of been but still.
And holy shit and that video and the first clip. Everything seems to just disintegrate in front of the camera
The city must be in chaos. Hopefully due to early hours to death toll is low and not as bad as it could of been but still.
And holy shit and that video and the first clip. Everything seems to just disintegrate in front of the camera
Alebrije
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Is that water that brokes the fence /wall? Or maybe a liquid chemical? Or is how smoke looks at high speed?
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This looks really terrible, my sympathies for everyone involved
Walter White Walker
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They're now up to 13 confirmed deaths, and 300 to 400 have been admitted to hospitals in the area.
acheron_xl
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Just looks like air turbulence from the shockwave to me.
I think it's the shockwave from the explosion.
It's like the Death Star exploding.
This particular picture looks like some CGI scene in a movie
Land of the rising sun.
If the 20 ton figure is correct then deaths could largely be limited to first responders if the dock is reasonably far away from the nearest residential area. But that's a big if. I haven't looked at how the areas around the dock are built up.
You can plot it in Nukemap to get a rough perspective using the 20 t Davy Crocket as a stand-in. It's not perfect, with this explosion not being a nuke and all, but the explosive forces can be compared. That's why nukes are counted in equivalent tons of TNT, after all.
http://nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/
20 t gives you a kill zone of 20 psi overpressure out to 60 m and 5 psi overpressure with deaths and severe injuries widespread out to 120 m. Injuries beyond that are likely to be lighter but deaths and severe injuries are still possible.
Here's a visualisation for 50 tons if you think 20 sounds too little. It's from a test in 1956. I'm not comfortable making any suggestion if 20 t is enough, the videos don't give you a good enough sense of scale, but as you can see 50 t is pretty dramatic:
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2_efRhXGgSQ
50 t gives you a kill zone of 80 m and widespread severe deaths and injuries 170 m out. As with 20 t people further out are still at risk. As you might have noticed, twice the yield does not equal twice the range. Explosive force falls exponentially with distance. The most common injury will probably be from shattered glass. I imagine more than a few people will probably have suffered hearing damage too.
Not taking any bets on total deaths, too little is known at this time, but I think we can all assume the current official numbers are lowballing it. They will rise when people get the chance to report them in later.
You can plot it in Nukemap to get a rough perspective using the 20 t Davy Crocket as a stand-in. It's not perfect, with this explosion not being a nuke and all, but the explosive forces can be compared. That's why nukes are counted in equivalent tons of TNT, after all.
http://nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/
20 t gives you a kill zone of 20 psi overpressure out to 60 m and 5 psi overpressure with deaths and severe injuries widespread out to 120 m. Injuries beyond that are likely to be lighter but deaths and severe injuries are still possible.
Here's a visualisation for 50 tons if you think 20 sounds too little. It's from a test in 1956. I'm not comfortable making any suggestion if 20 t is enough, the videos don't give you a good enough sense of scale, but as you can see 50 t is pretty dramatic:
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2_efRhXGgSQ
50 t gives you a kill zone of 80 m and widespread severe deaths and injuries 170 m out. As with 20 t people further out are still at risk. As you might have noticed, twice the yield does not equal twice the range. Explosive force falls exponentially with distance. The most common injury will probably be from shattered glass. I imagine more than a few people will probably have suffered hearing damage too.
Not taking any bets on total deaths, too little is known at this time, but I think we can all assume the current official numbers are lowballing it. They will rise when people get the chance to report them in later.
Isn't the explosion also coming from the ground? Maybe a pipe?
UnluckyKate
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looks like drying laundry ?
superseohyun
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according to states media, the air quality is still normal near the explosion site. There is a chance that there will be more explosion and fire fighters are trying their best to put out remaining fire using sand.
aspiegamer
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Yeah... we're not going to much from the Chinese media. Note the difference between the US branch compared to the in-country English sites.
http://www.cctv-america.com/ has it front and center with at least "some" info.
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It is absent from http://english.cntv.cn/
http://www.cctv-america.com/ has it front and center with at least "some" info.
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It is absent from http://english.cntv.cn/
UnluckyKate
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Chinese states media are nothing short than propaganda. I really worry about airbone chemicals
UnluckyKate
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On a lighter tone, that's how humans got their biotic powers in Mass Effect. Except it wasn't Tianjin but Singapore.
Chairmanchuck
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It is on a lot of channels in China right now.
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Yeah, I noticed that you quickly moved along to claiming that what was an clearly a new-car storage yard at the port facility was evidence of residential housing. (Oh, all the families!) Are you consciously trying to inject unwarranted melodrama into this thread, or are you just oblivious to how the world actually works?
Less posting, more thinking.
superseohyun
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yeah we will most likely not get the accurate number from any source because states media will just lowballing while other sources will just pull number out of their asses...
still, it is already on most if not all chinese news sites.
aspiegamer
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From Google Earth comparisons, that shot looks like it's taken from 300m away, looking toward the explosion site, and the gutted building is about 200m from it (across the street). Residential highrises start less than 200m behind where those pictures were taken.
Okay, good to know there's some discussion. Not like I'm expecting CNN-style 24/7 breaking news coverage of it like if something like this happened in the US or anything.
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