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Massive explosion in Tianjin, China (Update: at least 44 dead, 500+ injured)

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jmood88

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It's sad that anyone died but I feel horrible for the firefighters who ended up dying simply because no one knew (or just didn't tell them) what was being stored inside the plant.
 

Grazzt

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RoadHazard

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We'll have to see what the numbers end up at in the end, but all in all it seems like they probably got off rather easy? In relative terms, of course. A blast like this in a more densely populated area, or during the day (seems like most people working there were probably not there when this happened?), would likely have caused thousands and thousands of deaths.
 

goodcow

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Terrifying, I'll never live near a chemical factory

http://www.wsj.com/articles/disclos...cals-fuel-political-fight-in-texas-1408123143

More than a year after a fertilizer explosion in West, Texas, killed 15 people, it is now harder for state residents to learn whether hazardous chemicals are stored near their homes, an issue that is stoking political debate leading up to the Texas gubernatorial election.

Texas used to periodically release information about the nearly 70,000 manufacturing facilities that store hazardous chemicals in the state, in accordance with federal and Texas right-to-know laws. But in June, the office of Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott, the Republican nominee for governor, ruled that Texas no longer could release the information because of state homeland-security laws.
 

Nivash

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Grazzt don't imbed pics deemed NSFL ffs. Link to them.

Didn't want to see that shit.

Uh, yeah. Word of advice: spoiler tagged images only work on computer browsers. They're completely unspoiled and visible on mobile. Keep that stuff in links.
 

params7

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I feel as if China is trying their best to suppress information regarding this incident. As if its a matter of pride or something.
 

Diablos

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Holy shit, at first glance I'd think it was an act of terrorism.

RIP to those who lost their lives and I can't possibly imagine what the injured are feeling right now...
 

Serrato

Member
I feel as if China is trying their best to suppress information regarding this incident. As if its a matter of pride or something.

Well, if the ''rumours'' that they have lax or just had bad security measures about those things, they would not want to lose face because they didn't enforce them on companies to save money in the long run.

Pride is one of the worst ''sin''.
 
I am Chinese. At least 95% of the weibo I read are about this explosion. There is no way the government can cover up all information. It is also confirmed that by Xinhua that the explosion happened in a warehouse storing Dangerous Goods. I hope those smoke would not be harmful to people, though very unlikely.
 

Kagemusha

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In all fairness you probably don't want to publicly publish the address of every liquid hydrogen bulk tank in the nation of Texas. Same with Amonia, Chlorine, and Nitric Oxide.

Between DHS, OSHA, EPA, and FDA there is plenty of oversight already.

Natural gas, fertilizer, petroleum, and chemical plants are placard to alert everyone about the reactive and explosive products on site.

Issue is moot because if you live near a dangerous plant or storage facility you will know. It's not like they are camouflaged. If you can't tell the difference between an IKEA and and an oil refinery you probably can't read a published report that lists what is near your neighborhood.


www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jun/...irm-targeted-by-suspected-islamists-in-france
 
I feel as if China is trying their best to suppress information regarding this incident. As if its a matter of pride or something.

To be honest, even if they somehow dont, we would still assume they do. So...might as well just do it. though it would be pretty meaningless unless they can cover the death from hundreds to tens.
 

Diablos

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There is no way the Chinese government will be able to cover this up. They will fail miserably if they are seriously trying to do so.
 

Nivash

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I suspect that the feeling that this is being "suppressed" is probably mostly caused by the combination of the Chinese firewall, the language barrier and the news media separation resulting in us not getting the wall-to-wall cover we're used to when things like this happen in the West.

The early lowballing on casualties is normal. You only announce them when they are confirmed. Confused and incomplete information of what exploded and possible pollution from it is normal too, local authorities are likely overwhelmed. Unless they pose an imminent hazard they're going to ignore things like that while they deal with more pressing concerns.

This doesn't mean that China won't attempt to downplay the incident and cover up health concerns anyway but I'm not seeing any proof of it yet.
 

DrM

Redmond's Baby
Wow there is a pic of whole bunch of shipping containers being mangled and thrown on a pile due to explosion.
 

potam

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Is it possible that there isn't any suppression, but rather the Chinese government doesn't care about feeding the media frenzy until the situation is stabilized (unlike Western governments)?
 

Nivash

Member
The optimist in me says anything can be shopped, and this will prove to be bullshit just like numerous other things on the dark abyss of the Internet that is 4chan.

Has 4chan ever delivered? I think you're being a realist if anything. They're trolls, all of them.
 

mieumieu

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They are already at it. Local news channel is already covering up. The explosion news was talked last with no videos or images.

They cannot cover it up. Weibo is all over it, and it's just the local news station that reacts slowly which was already criticized on the net.
 

Nivash

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uh, 4chan consistently delivers

You must not follow the news.

Not on something like this they haven't. If that image is real it's basically proof that it wasn't just an attack but that the guy behind it both posted it on 4chan in his last minutes alive. And the reference to "jobs" suggests that it both wasn't his first time and that it was a conspiracy.

Sorry, but that's a little too perfect.
 

Spartacus

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Has 4chan ever delivered? I think you're being a realist if anything. They're trolls, all of them.
not always, but they do from time to time. It's these places where the lunatics go, the same lunatics that would do something like this (if true). Enough depressed and suicidal people hang out there.
Not on something like this they haven't. If that image is real it's basically proof that it wasn't just an attack but that the guy behind it both posted it on 4chan in his last minutes alive. And the reference to "jobs" suggests that it both wasn't his first time and that it was a conspiracy.

Sorry, but that's a little too perfect.

That's one way of interpreting it. Could also be somebody working in an office there and about to lose his job (again). Hard to tell what it means.
 

marrec

Banned
Has 4chan ever delivered? I think you're being a realist if anything. They're trolls, all of them.

The better question is, what's more likely... that someone posted to 4chan before blowing up a giant chemical refinery in a large Chinese city? Or that human error caused an accidental chain reaction of explosions?

4chan occasionally "delivers" but mostly they just try to make people think they deliver.
 

Diablos

Member
Has 4chan ever delivered? I think you're being a realist if anything. They're trolls, all of them.
Yes, sadly, it has delivered in the past, but not anything this devastating.

A murder in Washington state and a knife attack spree somewhere in Asia (Japan, I think) come to mind.
 

marrec

Banned
Yes, sadly, it has delivered in the past, but not on anything this devastating.

A murder in Washington state and a knife attack spree somewhere in Asia (Japan, I think) come to mind.

They've done more fakes of this kind than not. This is probably another of those fakes.
 

marrec

Banned
Could be, hope so. Somehow these things always feel worse when it is not an accident.

When it comes to large industrial facilities, always bet on human error for the cause of some mishap. There are so many different failure modes that it's a wonder any of our petrochemical factories aren't blowing up right now.
 

Spartacus

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When it comes to large industrial facilities, always bet on human error for the cause of some mishap. There are so many different failure modes that it's a wonder any of our petrochemical factories aren't blowing up right now.
yes, but human error is something else then intentional destruction.
 
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