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You know what is a bigger problem? Toxic positivity. Where any negative view, however slight, is demonized.

Now we have game companies suing people for slander. If there’s so much bad blood towards your product, perhaps you’re doing something wrong.

I didn’t like AW2 because I wanted to play as Alan Wake and not Saga Anderson.

* Sees ‘Alan Wake 2’*

“Yes! FINALLY”

*You play as some random black woman*

Also, you’re a racist misogynist if you have anything to say about it.

Is this justified?

‘The Last Of Us Part 2’ Is Getting Predictably User Score Bombed On Metacritic

The Last of Us Part 2 is getting mobbed by user scores on Metacritic, which we all should have seen coming.

www.forbes.com

 

[Rawbutt Jellybean]

Bro sneaked in Days Gone and The order and hoped no one would notice.

The Order kind of sucked but Days Gone was great. Probably my favorite Sony exclusive from then until now.

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

Don't see any masterpieces in your post OP.

 

[Umbral]

You completely lost me once I read Alan Wake 2 and The Last of Us: Part II. Masterpieces?! Holy shit.

 

[Danjin44]

Who the fuck cares what anyone else think? Did you enjoyed those games? if yes then thats all you need.

You need accept not everyone going to like the game you like but that shouldn't matter because at end of the day you are the one needs enjoy the game.

 

[Brigandier]

Who the fuck cares what anyone else think? Did you enjoyed those games? if yes then thats all you need.

You need accept not everyone going to like the game you like but that shouldn't matter because at end of the day you are the one needs enjoy the game.

 

[Bernardougf]

This trend HAS to stop, It’s detrimental to the video game industry as a whole. I recently read about how Alan Wake 2 barely turned a profit and it really confirmed that masterpieces get bad publicity and reputation for various stupid reasons. Alan Wake 2 isn’t alone. You have The Order 1886, Hellblade 2, Death Stranding, Days Gone, TLOU 2 etc. These sorts games get treated like “normal” games when they are sometimes milestones in the industry and should be treated as such, no matter if you personally liked them or not.

Edit:

Meanwhile Madden #4738284 and Call of Duty #43773 are great and popular…bad bad trend.

Edit 2 : Added Death Stranding to main post.

So :

A batshit crazy mail man walking simulator

A 4h pyschiatrist test barely a game walking simulator

A 6 h incomplete with no ending graphical showpiece with QTE galore

A bait and switch DEI sequel

The worst sequel of all time thanks to a golf club and bigot sandwiches.

So yeah ... masterpieces they are not.

Days gone is a great underrated gen though.

 

[Darkmakaimura]

Two games that got decent reviews but are ignore and/or underrated are The Legend of Zelda: Echoes of the Past and Metro Awakening. Both of them are my games of 2024. You don't hear much about them though which is especially weird for Zelda.

 

[BigBeauford]

And here I thought clown farming was exclusive to Steam forums.

 

[drotahorror]

Well Alan Wake 2 went digital only, changed the protagonist, and then had the protagonist make an anti-white people comment which spread around social media.

Days Gone however came out around the height of “me too” and IGN and Gamespot admitted to tanking it on purpose.

Shouldn't that have raised the sales of Days Gone? If woke shit can ruin a game, shouldn't a big outlet saying something is problematic, lift a game?

 

[sendit]

Bro sneaked in Days Gone and The order and hoped no one would notice.

You mentioned two games, but failed to mention how good HellBlade 2 is.

 

[Gamer_By_Proxy]

Shouldn't that have raised the sales of Days Gone? If woke shit can ruin a game, shouldn't a big outlet saying something is problematic, lift a game?

It wasn’t being exposed back then. People just saw the 6.5 and 5/10’s from 2 big outlets.

 

[DoubleClutch]

Is this justified?

‘The Last Of Us Part 2’ Is Getting Predictably User Score Bombed On Metacritic

The Last of Us Part 2 is getting mobbed by user scores on Metacritic, which we all should have seen coming.

www.forbes.com

Yes. Joel was an amazing character and how they did him is disgusting.

 

[Unknown?]

No I’m saying games like Madden #2367284 and Call of Duty #4018337 aren’t getting bad publicity like this and its bad for the industry…

They aren't targeted for criticism because they're mediocre and everyone knows it. Better games are because any problems stick out more.

 

[Generic]

This trend HAS to stop, It’s detrimental to the video game industry as a whole. I recently read about how Alan Wake 2 barely turned a profit and it really confirmed that masterpieces get bad publicity and reputation for various stupid reasons. Alan Wake 2 isn’t alone. You have The Order 1886, Hellblade 2, Death Stranding, Days Gone, TLOU 2 etc. These sorts games get treated like “normal” games when they are sometimes milestones in the industry and should be treated as such, no matter if you personally liked them or not.

Edit:

Meanwhile Madden #4738284 and Call of Duty #43773 are great and popular…bad bad trend.

Edit 2 : Added Death Stranding to main post.

This but unironically.

 

[Generic]

Yes. Joel was an amazing character and how they did him is disgusting.

Dude was an evil psychopath who felt no regrets in torturing/murdering civilians for years.

 

[fart town usa]

I feel cheated.

I thought this was going to be a Devil's Third appreciation thread.

Edit: I was genuinely interested in Alan Wake 2, so much so that I bought the remaster of the first game and as I played it, I realized I forgot how much a POS Alan Wake is. Once I was done I had no interest in seeing what he was up to in the sequel.

 

[NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt]

 

[Pimpbaa]

Alan Wake 2, Hellblade 2, The Order 1886, TLOU2? Come on man! Jesus, talk about shitty taste in games. That’s the shit that is destroying the industry, not call of duty (loved black ops 6 more than the shit i just listed) or madden.

 

[Bumblebeetuna]

Last of Us 2 on your list is a legit masterpiece. Never played AW2, Hellblade 2 is great but not a masterpiece.

Days Gone is a bloated average check mark Ubiclone.

Order 1886 is a joke of a game, it’s barely a tech demo.

Death Stranding, haven’t played enough to have a real opinion. Early on it certainly doesn’t seem masterpiece quality.

Basically you have an opinion and seem upset everyone doesn’t agree.

 

[AJUMP23]

Most amazing games find an audience over time I think. Certainly great games don’t get ignored here.

You have to look at it like film there are blockbusters that most people know about then there are smaller films that take some word of mouth to get going.

 

[ShadyAcshuns]

Hades, Hollow Knight and Stardew Valley also get treated unfairly or ignored at times, but what can you do?

 

[IAmRei]

Two games that got decent reviews but are ignore and/or underrated are The Legend of Zelda: Echoes of the Past and Metro Awakening. Both of them are my games of 2024. You don't hear much about them though which is especially weird for Zelda.

People since ps3 era often only care when the graphic is clicked them. Especially with games that stylized, or games that coming not from the west.

Those that mentioned by OP doesnt even masterpiece at all for me.

 

[Sooner]

Hellblade!? Bwahahaha

 

[Shubh_C63]

You mean AAA masterpieces.
I see so much love for indie masterpieces so the statement is wrong.

 

[Lokaum D+]

Hellblade a masterpiece ?

 

[Kumomeme]

Alan Wake 2 isn’t alone. You have The Order 1886, Hellblade 2, Death Stranding, Days Gone, TLOU 2 etc.

no need to mention the other game. we know this is actually about tlou 2

 

[Sakura]

What do you mean know their audience? Can you not see the bigger picture with the video games industry? If AAAA passion projects are shot down and low effort annual installments and nonsense are profitable / popular, no one will develop AAAA passion project and blockbusters and will instead opt for low effort games that appeal to the masses and casuals. It’s already happening and has been happening with GAAS games and low effort cash grab games. We won’t get the Metal Gear Solids and Death Strandings of the world and will instead get Fortnite clone #473738…

Get it?

What exactly are you suggesting? People should buy and pretend to like big budget games they aren't interested in? The onus is on the devs to make something people want, not the other way around.

 

[vaibhavpisal]

Good thread.

As long as these “masterpieces” have some fans, they are worth getting made.

 

[GymWolf]

Tlou2 and days gine are the only 2 good ones in that list tho (hardly masterpieces)

 

[ArtHands]

"Masterpieces"
"The Order 1886"

 

[winjer]

Sorry, but none of those games are master pieces.
I did like Days Gone, but I would never call it a masterpiece.

 

[MetalRain]

Alan Wake was really meh game when you compare it to Max Payne or Quantum Break. Alan Wake 2 is just better looking meh game.

Call of Duty and Madden are like McDonald's of gaming, it's not the best burger in the town, but many love their McDeez nuts.

 

[DavidGzz]

Agreed on AW2. Not so much with the rest. Days Gone was solid, but nothing special.

 

[Team Andromeda]

Nothing new at all.

I remember being upset at how poor Starflight sold on the Mega Drive or even Contra 3 and Super Metroid sold on the SNES to some of the trash that sold better on those systems

 

[yamaci17]

I agree with last of us part 2 and death stranding. alan wake 2... could've been more. but it is nearly there. the rest, well, I wouldn't consider them anywhere near being a masterpiece personally. I even forgot the story of order 1886 so even if it was a masterpiece, it wasn't to me. sure, I remember graphics being super nice for the time but not much else.

 

[Davevil]

- Alan Wake 2 made its bed when it decided the game should mostly be about another character, released it digitally only, and decided Epic money is better than PC gamer money.

on what planet are these things bad?

 

[rofif]

Yep. I absolutely agree.
TLOU2 or uc4 gets a lot of shit and these are some of the best games ever made.
Forspoken gets absolutely ignored while having some of best open world magic combat and traversal out there.

 

[Carmen Winstead]

Yep. I absolutely agree.
TLOU2 or uc4 gets a lot of shit and these are some of the best games ever made.
Forspoken gets absolutely ignored while having some of best open world magic combat and traversal out there.

Forspoken doesn't get ignored, it's a 4/10 game deserving the place it got just like The Order 1886.

To comment on the games OP mentioned:
Alan Wake 2 was their own fault because there was no initial physical release but tbh it was always a niche series. Hellblade 2 is the same cinematic experience shit like The Order, I'd much rather play Call of Duty 6549483 which provides more fun than a pretentious game with with nice graphics but not more. Death Stranding is a walking sim mostly and people want fun, not doing chores while gaming. Days Gone is a worse mixup and clone of a lot of games done before with too much Ubisoft in it.
TLOU2 is the only game which would be deserving of the title masterpiece and it had great success but it was brought down by culture wars bullshit.

OP, it's okay to have opinions but your opinions are wrong.

 

[rofif]

Forspoken doesn't get ignored, it's a 4/10 game deserving the place it got just like The Order 1886.

To comment on the games OP mentioned:
Alan Wake 2 was their own fault because there was no initial physical release but tbh it was always a niche series. Hellblade 2 is the same cinematic experience shit like The Order, I'd much rather play Call of Duty 6549483 which provides more fun than a pretentious game with with nice graphics but not more. Death Stranding is a walking sim mostly and people want fun, not doing chores while gaming. Days Gone is a worse mixup and clone of a lot of games done before with too much Ubisoft in it.
TLOU2 is the only game which would be deserving of the title masterpiece and it had great success but it was brought down by culture wars bullshit.

OP, it's okay to have opinions but your opinions are wrong.

nonse. You don't know video games if you think forspoken is a 4/10 and death stranding is a waking sim.
Death Stranding is so much more than a walking sim... that's some bullshit

 

[Mayar]

I came to check if there is rofif in the topic, everything is fine he in place, you can continue the conversation.
Without him, such topics cannot be discussed, I would even say that without his participation the topic has no weight.

 

[Carmen Winstead]

nonse. You don't know video games if you think forspoken is a 4/10 and death stranding is a waking sim.
Death Stranding is so much more than a walking sim... that's some bullshit

I was just throwing shade at Death Stranding but I can understand that it's a good game. It was just not my cup of tea but it still had good success and made a profit in contrary to what OP said.

But there is no argument for Forspoken my friend. The general consensus on that game is very subpar and I also played it for more than enough to say that it would have been a 6/10 game in 2012 but nowadays it's not even an average game.

And using "you don't know video games" while defending Forspoken must be some of the most hilarious things I've read on this forum for a while.

 

[Filben]

and should be treated as such,

And then what?

 

[mdkirby]

This trend HAS to stop, It’s detrimental to the video game industry as a whole. I recently read about how Alan Wake 2 barely turned a profit and it really confirmed that masterpieces get bad publicity and reputation for various stupid reasons. Alan Wake 2 isn’t alone. You have The Order 1886, Hellblade 2, Death Stranding, Days Gone, TLOU 2 etc. These sorts games get treated like “normal” games when they are sometimes milestones in the industry and should be treated as such, no matter if you personally liked them or not.

Edit:

Meanwhile Madden #4738284 and Call of Duty #43773 are great and popular…bad bad trend.

Edit 2 : Added Death Stranding to main post.

Death stranding is a weird game to pitch (tho one of my fav) and def not for everyone, despite that it sold 19 mil units. It’s a huge success, and has a sequel coming.

Days Gone was bizarrely roasted by the far left and mental journalists but still sold 8.5mil in a year and a half, big success. Sadly yes, the culture of the time was going very left at the height of cancel culture and it hurt its reviews and killed hope of a sequel, but the game itself was very successful. Prob need to purge Sony and the industry of the worst of them to get one greenlit tho.

The order, unbelievably pretty, and a decent walking sim, with some nice combat scenes, the problem is that’s not how it was pitched, and the market for that sort of game is niche, not suited to the budget spent on it. It was also a full price game that was very short. It was rightly critiqued. It was a mismatch of consumer expectations.

Hellblade 2 is similar. Ninja theory games have never been big sellers, it was meant to be an indie Aaa with their approach, not take forever or cost a fortune, but that’s not how it turned out, again another niche game way over scoped, and pitched to the public as a blockbuster. I don’t think it was unfairly critiqued.

Alan wake 2, excellent game. But the caveat is, remedy games never sell crazy numbers. It’s still their most successful game if I recall his statements correctly. They are very cautious with their spending and build solid games frugally, yes it hadn’t at that point turned to profit, but it was close and it will. This is generally how remedy have always operated. It was also a fan fav sequel to a game released bloody ages ago, which itself did not sell that many units. A lot of people won’t play a direct sequel if they haven’t played the first. It served other purposes tho both as epic store exclusive and to build out the lore for his connected universe. It got some unfair attacks due to sweet baby involvement but to be honest I didn’t see that much of that stuff prior to launch (and he either didn’t take in board much of their advice or was a good enough writer to weave it in, for the most part).

If communities don’t push back hard we’ll end up doing a Barv in every game, or every game flooded with microtransactions (more than they are). Making voices heard when bad decisions are made is important. Do some get caught in the crossfire? Sure.

 

[rofif]

I was just throwing shade at Death Stranding but I can understand that it's a good game. It was just not my cup of tea but it still had good success and made a profit in contrary to what OP said.

But there is no argument for Forspoken my friend. The general consensus on that game is very subpar and I also played it for more than enough to say that it would have been a 6/10 game in 2012 but nowadays it's not even an average game.

And using "you don't know video games" while defending Forspoken must be some of the most hilarious things I've read on this forum for a while.

The general consensus was decided before forspoken cam eout and nobody played it mate.
It's a really good game. Maybe not 10 but not 6 either. It's a solid 8.
New ip, fantastic gameplay, single player game.

Show me other game playing like this? The combat and parkour is on another level.



While asmongold "gave" the game 6/10 after playing for 3 hours and just mashing 1 button... doesn't scratch the surface of it.

watch some informed review next time

She even repeats some points I've been saying since day 1. Some of the smoothest open world traversal ever.
also. There are more reviews like her but she is hot so she is more right

And the characters are fine. Frey is a relatable asshole.

 

[cireza]

I thought that all the games listed by OP moved millions of units ? How were they ignored ?

 

[rofif]

I thought that all the games listed by OP moved millions of units ? How were they ignored ?

It's not only about sales but general disgust and lack of appreciations by ignorant masses.
There are still people who believe some of the tlou2 fake leaks from before release and have not played the game for that reason...

 

[Carmen Winstead]

The general consensus was decided before forspoken cam eout and nobody played it mate.
It's a really good game. Maybe not 10 but not 6 either. It's a solid 8.
New ip, fantastic gameplay, single player game.

Show me other game playing like this? The combat and parkour is on another level.



While asmongold "gave" the game 6/10 after playing for 3 hours and just mashing 1 button... doesn't scratch the surface of it.

watch some informed review next time

She even repeats some points I've been saying since day 1. Some of the smoothest open world traversal ever.
also. There are more reviews like her but she is hot so she is more right

And the characters are fine. Frey is a relatable asshole.

I really don't know who is more deluded, OP who thinks The Order & Hellblade are great games or you for defending Forspoken like your life depends on it.
Even if the general consensus was decided before, a lot of people actually played the game and made their mind up, it's just a bad game, bad story, bad characters, don't know how you can defend that chaotic mess of combat and you call that on another level. Traversal was the only thing functioning but that became boring after 2-3 hours of gameplay.

 

[rofif]

I really don't know who is more deluded, OP who thinks The Order & Hellblade are great games or you for defending Forspoken like your life depends on it.
Even if the general consensus was decided before, a lot of people actually played the game and made their mind up, it's just a bad game, bad story, bad characters, don't know how you can defend that chaotic mess of combat and you call that on another level. Traversal was the only thing functioning but that became boring after 2-3 hours of gameplay.

You clearly wouldn't know a good game from a bad game in front of you even if presented with proof and other reviewers choice.
Your loss. you don't have to play it.

The problem/question being ... why as someone who doesn't like it... why are you insisting on shitting on it while other people enjoy it? just let me fucking enjoy it.
The characters and story are good. everything is good about it. none of your "bad game" arguments have any background in reality.
I can only say that the game starts a bit slowly. Might take 2 hours to really get going but I still enjoyed that beginning of the game.

 

[Spiral1407]

I wouldn't call those walkie talkie "games" masterpieces. And Alan Wake II failed because they didn't do a physical release and was EGS only. They've only got themselves to blame.