Mat Piscatella: PC has been a huge part of the success of Helldivers II in the US.
DenchDeckard
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And there it is!
No way Sony won't be getting pressure from shareholders for that day 1 release going forward.
No way Sony won't be getting pressure from shareholders for that day 1 release going forward.
James Sawyer Ford
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Doesn't work for single player games
HFW bombed on PC
Only makes sense for GaaS titles
Fabieter
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Punished Miku
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It wasn't a day 1 game. Can't really compare it yet since they haven't tried that.
Sneakysnake
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I promise I will stop being a Sony hater if they do day and date first party releases like Xbox does, oh and they have to bring back/make some multiplayer franchises! Killzone, Resistance, Twisted Metal where you at?!
James Sawyer Ford
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Day 1 only matters for GaaS. Sony will get their additional PC sales and dippers later when it releases on PC after consoles
Yes, PC sales would be higher if it were day 1, at the expense of PS5 sales which is not what Sony wants
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Men_in_Boxes
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As if a marketing blitz doesn't impact PC gamers...lul
Killjoy-NL
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I thought they were going by the numbers?
FunkMiller
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Another nail in the console coffin. Years of ballooning budgets, risk aversion and maximising profits have slowly squeezed the life out of the console space. Their greed will have killed them. Long live the PC master race.
SlimySnake
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I find it absolutely hilarious that Playstation execs refuse to recognize this game's success. My guess is that there is a tug of war going on at sony right now and people there dont want to admit that PC made this game a massive success. They have seen MS and know that day one PC releases are a death sentence but their bosses over at Sony corp dont and the moment playstation reveals the sales, those sony corpo heads are going to delay every game to release day and date with PC. With nixxes pumping out like 3-4 ports a year, they have the perfect studio to port day one releases of the 1-2 first party releases they have every year.
64gigabyteram
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Zathalus
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Claiming it doesn't work for single player games and then pointing towards a 2 year old port of a game as proof doesn't really support your claim.
Why not use examples of good AAA single players that launch at the same time?
James Sawyer Ford
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I think they're just waiting for their next showcase to announce stuff, or an acquisition announcement
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Kinda doubt this.
James Sawyer Ford
Banned
Sony doesn't want to sell the most copies on PC
Its not that complicated
It charted at #14 for its release month
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Charted where? Steam?
ResilientBanana
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Not all GaaS or Online games are bad.And more gaas and always online games.
IntentionalPun
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What makes you think they won't recognize it's PC sales at some point? Like they have a quarterly coming up and they'll probably be way over PC sales expectations overall and that's something you brag about. Sony doesn't do a ton of PR outside of "results" windows.
James Sawyer Ford
Banned
NPD
Sales-Age - Circana March 2024: #1 Dragon's Dogma #3 MLB: The Show #5 Rise of Ronin #6 Peach; PS5 #1 Units + Rev, Switch #2 Units Xbox #2 Rev
https://www.installbaseforum.com/forums/threads/circana-march-2024-1-dragons-dogma-3-mlb-the-show-5-rise-of-ronin-6-peach-ps5-1-units-rev-switch-2-units-xbox-2-rev.2637/ Credit: Welfare State of the market Projected total US spending on video game hardware, content and accessories gained 4%...
Zathalus
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Sony wants to maximize revenue. If that means day one PC for all games they will do that. If the day one on PC means using their own store they will do that as well if needed.
Fabieter
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I like helldivers 2 so no it isnt bad but it's probably the lesson they learn from the success.
IntentionalPun
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I don't think they'll go day one for single player. But waiting 2 years will probably be less of a thing.
Punished Miku
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Well we know something has to give. Their last financial statements explicitly said they have to change the way they do things. So they're either going to be cutting back on budgets, or changing where they release things.
Some people have been predicting consoles will be declining regardless, and most younger audiences are device agnostic. If that is true, Sony will have to decide where and when to place their bets or make this transition. Up to them.
Durin
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I mean HFW bombed because it's an older game, an iterative sequel, and it released next to Dragon's Dogma 2 that was more anticipated. They just sucked at picking release dates with that title, because the console version released next to Elden Ring.
ResilientBanana
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Their single player games see a lot of success too. Chances are, they will simply stay focused on simply making good games.
Gaiff
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This seems pretty alright? It went from 107 to 14 and is up against much newer games. It's a 2-year-old port so I'm not sure why anyone would anticipate it to do much better, especially when it was up against Dragon's Dogma II that came out the very next day. Zero Dawn released in a comparatively quiet period and did extremely well according to Sony. I can't imagine Forbidden West "bombing" relative to expectations.NPD
Sales-Age - Circana March 2024: #1 Dragon's Dogma #3 MLB: The Show #5 Rise of Ronin #6 Peach; PS5 #1 Units + Rev, Switch #2 Units Xbox #2 Rev
https://www.installbaseforum.com/forums/threads/circana-march-2024-1-dragons-dogma-3-mlb-the-show-5-rise-of-ronin-6-peach-ps5-1-units-rev-switch-2-units-xbox-2-rev.2637/ Credit: Welfare State of the market Projected total US spending on video game hardware, content and accessories gained 4%...www.neogaf.com
Do we have the NPD for Zero Dawn on PC?
Edit: It doesn't seem like it hit the top 20 for either August or September. Am I looking at the wrong thing?
https://venturebeat.com/games/august-2020-npd-madden-and-ufc-supercharge-u-s-game-sales/
https://venturebeat.com/games/septe...and-mario-lead-strong-transition-into-autumn/
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Fabieter
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They have profitable problem which is better with gaas games and always online gaas games results in no piracy on pc. It's the way to go.
64gigabyteram
Reverse groomer.
Yeah jts fun to say stuff like this but also I think hard data would be more conclusive
James Sawyer Ford
Banned
They don't maximize revenue by canibalizing store revenue and ps5 hardware revenue
They will get their pc gamers at a later date and capture more cumulative revenue
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Holammer
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Either way, Sony will get their money.
Fabieter
Member
No they won't he will buy third party games on a key store or on steam.
James Sawyer Ford
Banned
They really don't need to change, they still make good profits when you exclude Bungie acquisition costs.
The greedy CFO is just greedy.
Doesn't look like PlayStation consoles are declining, ps5 is ahead of ps4
All the decline is coming from Xbox and that audience moved to PC thanks to Phil
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Rocco Schiavone
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Another win for PC gaming. The first Sony title which sold more on PC than on PS5? Seems so.
No shit It sold more on PC?? Maybe It's because they are more PCs in the world than PS5's??
Gaiff
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He didn't say it sold more on PC though.
Zathalus
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It depends on the increase from PC revenue offsets the potential loss from console revenue. So far there doesn't appear to be a mass migration from PlayStation to PC. Sony will want to maximize that balance as much as possible, that may mean 2 year old, 1 year old, or same day ports.
Punished Miku
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I don't personally care either way. I'm transitioning to PC and I can wait a few years for Sony titles no problem if I want one. You may be totally right that they stick with a delayed release strategy. I wouldn't be shocked if they change it up though, but in the end it honestly makes very little difference to me.
I just think they're going to be thinking about it pretty hard if this no name game out of nowhere is their 7th best selling title ever and is now a viral hit and can be spun off into sequels and TV or whatever they want. People are so loyal to PS consoles they may put it on PC and not lose their console base anyway. I have no idea how it plays out. I bet they will be very tempted to try it.
My guess is any GAAS games day 1, and they keep shortening the delay on single player stuff to 1 year.
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HFW wasn't released day 1 on PC.
Jaybe
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Yep, just tossing out an X million copies sold statistic in and of itself does nothing and is wasted PR. Attach the news to something meaningful like the game's first discount, new content to buy, or a new HD2 PS5 bundle would be the way to go.
ChorizoPicozo
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on GaaS. it's already confirmed, yes.
ChorizoPicozo
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even less when you take into account to play online you need a subscription.
HD2 on PS make more money per capita and it's more valuable than on PC.
Killjoy-NL
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Because Sony doesn't do that. PC is an afterthought, so it doesn't matter if sales are low.
They make a profit, tiny as it may be. Which is enough.